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- Paper Boy - 05-18-2002
Quote:Movies in the top 20 that aren't even among the 100 best since 1970: Braveheart, The Matrix, Gladiator, Forrest Gump, possibly Silence Of The Lambs.
how can you say this, all those were great movies and i belive they'd be on most peoples top 20.
- Galt - 05-18-2002
All except The Matrix (and maybe even that) would most definately be in any top 100 list post 1970. They all won best picture for Christ's sakes. If that's not saying that Hollywood also thinks they're great movies, I don't know what does.
- Hybrid - 05-18-2002
if sir o voted we would have seen one vote for each of the worlds greatest deathmatches vol. 1-20.
- Sir O - 05-18-2002
I'm not saying they were bad films. Just vastly overrated, in my opinion. And best picture awards really don't matter to me, it's just Hollywood patting themselves on the back. Gladiator and Forrest Gump were poor choices, but not as bad as Titanic. hell, the whole Oscar system is flawed, as Metropolis (one of my top 10 since 1970) didn't even get a nomination as best animated picture this year. That shit ain't right.
But I will take back the Braveheart comment, as that certainly is top 100 material, possibly top 50. The rest stand.
Quote:if sir o voted we would have seen one vote for each of the worlds greatest deathmatches vol. 1-20.Ryuji Yamakawa vs. Tomoaki Honma 1/2000, best deathmatch ever!
- Galt - 05-18-2002
Forrest Gump was a great movie. The story was good, the special effects were very good and unlike most other special effects, were only used to help the story. hell that would probably be listed in a list of top 100 of all time. Silence of the Lambs was a very good movie with a great character in Lechter.
Gladiator kind of sucked, I despised The Matrix, and I had successfully erased from my mind that Titanic won anything.
- Hybrid - 05-18-2002
braveheart was great, matrix was awesome, and forrest gump was good. i dont see how you could just plain hate the matrix.
- Galt - 05-18-2002
I hated the Matrix because the story was stupid. This is getting a bit philosphical, but I personally hate the idea that individuals are nothing, and can only achieve anything if they have superpowers like Neo. That everything in life has already been decided, and that oracles know everyone's destiny. It plays to the insignificance of life, and people, and is just a very depressing and negative look on life. Yet Hollywood seems to love it
But that's not even the reason, I disliked it. Keanu Reeves is just an atrocious actor. The agent's voices annoyed me, Morpheus annoyed me, the actions scenes got pretty lame. It was just a very formulaic and predictable movie.
- Sir O - 05-18-2002
Quote:Forrest Gump was a great movie. The story was good, the special effects were very good and unlike most other special effects, were only used to help the story. hell that would probably be listed in a list of top 100 of all time.
I will agree with all of this, except the last sentence. Wait, actually, it was on the AFI list (only because it's Clinton's favorite movie), so nevermind.
Forrest Gump is a fine movie. The special effects were used very well, and the acting was passable. My main problem with it is that the story, while there's nothing wrong with it, is very shallow. Just another in a long line of "likeable character overcomes his flaws to become a success" that has been done to death.
Off the top of my head, I'd say in 1994, the following were better: Pulp Fiction, Quiz Show, Ed Wood, Three Colors Trilogy, Shawshank Redemption, Hoop Dreams. The Last Seduction and Fresh come close.
Quote:Silence of the Lambs was a very good movie with a great character in Lechter.
Again, I agree. I love the movie, but if I were to do a personal "Top 100 movies since 1970" list, looking at it objectively, I'd probably have it ranked pretty low, if at all. JFK, Boyz, and Raise the Red Lantern were all better in 1991, which was overall a pretty weak year for film.
And the Matrix was marred by plotholes and bad acting, but the effects turned an otherwise average film into a phenomenon. Check out The Thirteenth Floor, similar themes, but a far better overall film.
- IkeaBoy - 05-18-2002
I hated the Matrix as well. It was lame going for style over substance, some of the effects and scenes were just lame, bullettime didn't wow me like it should, I didn't necessarily disagree with some of the philosophies but it was poorly done, the acted too cool for their own good and Keanu Reeves CAN'T ACT!! he ruined one of Pacino's best performances
- Hybrid - 05-18-2002
![[Image: matrix.jpg]](http://filmcritic.com/misc/mepics.nsf/view/matrix/%24File/matrix.jpg)
- Galt - 05-18-2002
Quiz show was one of the most boring movies I've ever seen. Rob Morrow's accent was worse than Rosanna Arquette's in Whole Nine Yards
Shawshank and Pulp Fiction were both better, and I had them ranked higher thank Gump. Fresh was an awesome movie, and one of my favorites. But I think Gump was better as a whole. Hoop Dreams. Bah. Slow, and it's not a movie, it's real life. Never saw the others.
- IkeaBoy - 05-18-2002
another movie in 1994 that was awesome Clerks.
another movie with Matrix-y themes that was far superior- Dark City.
Forrest Gump was overrated.
Now Apocalypse Now- for shame. I'm also surprised no one mentioned Back to the Future.
- The Sleeper - 05-19-2002
I couldn't fuckin stand the Matrix. I swear I fell asleep before those "great" action sequences. And Keeanu Reeves is the least interesting actor of our generation.
- IkeaBoy - 05-19-2002
The worst thing about The Matrix is when you hear some sort of Jackass, Gen-X tool saying how the Matrix represents what he feels about life.
- Hybrid - 05-19-2002
![[Image: thematrix-neo-guns.jpg]](http://ffmedia.ign.com/matrix/image/thematrix-neo-guns.jpg)
whoa
- The Sleeper - 05-19-2002
I'm still pissed that Chasing Amy and Holy Grail just missed the top 20. The fix is in!!!!
- Gooch - 05-19-2002
Dark City was pure crap. You guys are fuckin high. I loathe flick. Complete misfire..and blatant ripoff of Terry Gilliam with characters dressed in Hellraiser costumes trying for a NOIR-like feel. Though well-filmed, it is miscast with Rufus Sewell, and the movie lacks passion and substance...two things, no matter how much you may hate Keanu...the Matrix does indeed have...substance and passion. Sorry, Dark City isn't in the same ballpark, it ain't even the same fuckin sport. Dark City is a failure, with grand designs and some merit. Matrix hits it's notes, Dark ZZzzzzz does not.
- The Sleeper - 05-19-2002
I liked Dark City and Thirteenth Floor a lot better than the Matrix. It all comes own to the fact that they had more interesting characters, cause the plots are basically interchangable. Keeanu Reeves is simply movie cancer.
- Sir O - 05-19-2002
Dark City is another one of my favorites. I've probably seen it about ten times, and it keeps getting better every time. Whereas The Matrix focuses more on the philosophy (which is nothing new, Blade Runner did the same thing over 15 years earlier, and did it better), Dark City is driven by mood and atmosphere. I think Sewell did fine in his role, William Hurt was good, and Jennifer Connelly was outstanding, and is probably the best Hollywood actress of the last ten years. The scenery and direction are amazing, and to call it a ripoff of Gilliam is unfair, because Proyas acknowledges that Gilliam and Clive Barker were strong influences in making the movie. But unlike the formulatic Matrix, the underlying theme of Dark City (the link between memory and identity) is a fairly original one, and is more open to interpretation since it is not the real driving force the film. It's a much, much deeper film than The Matrix, maybe less spectacular, but more intelligent, more complex, more creative, and more artistic.
- HedCold - 05-19-2002
never saw the matrix. saw like 10 minutes on cable and was bored out of my mind. i just don't care about that whole outlook on life and fight scenes do nothing for me, especially those
edit- also, i too can't stand keanu reeves
Edited By HedCold on May 19 2002 at 03:06