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- GonzoStyle - 01-06-2004
The world series was very important at the time, that's just silly to say. While it's true their owner Charlie Commiskey was a penny pincher who screwed over his players, it was a different time in 1919. Ball players were not seen as they are today, as larger than life icons, they were considered indebted servants who were simply lucky to be making money playing a kids game. Most players were making as much or even less than the average american worker at the time. Ofcourse there were exceptions like Cobb, Tris Speaker, etc but it wasn't an uncommon thing. This was before Ruth's monster salary for the time and before the game trully evolved into its golden age, where players became idols.
Cobb was so nervous his first series he played poorly the whole time, he never won a championship. Read up or watch a film like 8 men out, it was an event back then, a craze. That's why its impact was so large, it was THE sporting event, no one could believe the series could be thrown.
This is before TV, basketball, the NFL, the superbowl, or any other of the major sports were considered major or even known.
- HedCold - 01-06-2004
still doesn't mean they were thinking about the "history of how it would affect it 80 yrs later" aspect
- HedCold - 01-06-2004
my point really is that at the time, especially with no player union, i think it was alot more understandable to get back at an owner who was screwing the team over in money, when they weren't making a whole lot to begin with, to worry about the history of something that wasn't even around for 20 years yet
- GonzoStyle - 01-06-2004
Your point is just silly, like your face!!!
- The Sleeper - 01-07-2004
The White Sox throwing the world series, while they had valid reasons, is still inexcusable and they all deserved to be banned. There have been many terrible penny-pinching owners in baseball but the integrity of the game is the most important thing.
I wouldn't let Rose into the hall because he corrupted the game by betting on his team or other teams. Like Gonzo said, it actually effects how the game is played and without everyone playing on the level, there is no baseball. To the MLB, it's more allowable to rape and murder than bet or fix games. Rose being pardoned would just make the MLB spineless and give in to someone just because he has fan support rather than do the right thing.
- Keyser Soze - 01-07-2004
Football is just fucked up. They allowed 2 players who bet on games to continue playing. Football has no integrity.
- GonzoStyle - 01-07-2004
But it's kinda more lax in football, you can have a guy charged with murder who wins the superbowl MVP in the same year. You can have a team full of crack heads be called america's team. Hearing a football player bet on games is refreshing.
I agree with sleeper on his points. It would be a no brainer if it wasn't for the 4,256 hits, that's really what's kept his whole soap opera alive. If he was almost any other hall of fame candidate, if he had 3,000 hits, 500 homers, +.300 life time BA and had amazing numbers all his career but commited an act as irreberable as this then I would say, yes keep him out. But in the end he is the all time hit king in a game that lives off hitting. I honestly at this point do not think rose will be voted in, in his lifetime. I do think Selig will lift the ban because selig is looking for a defining moment in his career.
Rose will eventually be voted in but not for many years to come, time usually distorts peoples opinions and memories. New generations will not trully understand the negative impacts as much, just like hedcold validates the sox throwing the series. I ain't bustin on hedcold but his opinion will be many others opinion on rose, years from now. Rose will either be voted in when he is on his death bed or after his death.
- HedCold - 01-07-2004
i'm not invalidating it, eventually someone would have done it if they didn't, and the rules would have been set like it was after that. just if anyone was going to have a reason for doing it it was them.
i really don't care that much other then its annoying this many people talk about pete rose, this whole thing should go away already. also things are just getting worse for rose now. before he admitted to it the more people talked about him it was probably better for him. now, other than making money off his book, the more people talk it about it the worse it will be
- diceisgod - 01-08-2004
Bullshit
"I never intended to diminish the exciting news for these deserving players," Rose said in a statement Wednesday.