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- Keyser Soze - 05-09-2002
<font size="3">Rockies' physics may be slightly off</font>
By Steve Wilstein
Associated Press
The Colorado Rockies need a few physics lessons.
In an effort to prevent balls from flying out so frequently from notoriously hitter-friendly Coors Field, the Rockies have been storing them for the past few weeks in a sort of giant humidor. That's not as kooky as it might sound, though the reasoning offered by the Rockies is misguided.
Rockies president Keli McGregor says that by storing the balls at 40 percent humidity they won't dry out and shrink as much as they normally would in mile-high Denver, where the humidity often is close to 10 percent. He also says the slightly soggier balls will be easier for pitchers to grip and harder for batters to hit out of the park.
That's not quite right.
Yale professor Robert K. Adair, author of "The Physics of Baseball," has done experiments showing that baseballs stored at 100 percent humidity, because of the reduced elasticity of their core, bounce dramatically less than balls kept in low humidity.
"A 400-foot home run would go down to about 350 feet," Adair said.
But it's not that simple.
How a ball is affected by humidity is tricky. It depends on how long it is stored and at what temperature. Cold balls travel less than warm balls.
So Adair laughed heartily Wednesday when told the Rockies have been keeping the temperature in their ball chamber cranked up to 90 degrees.
"That's counterproductive!" he said. "I would bet the 90-degree balls go farther. The higher temperature would counteract the humidity."
If the Rockies want to keep the ball in the park more, Adair said, they'd be better off storing them in a household refrigerator at 35 or 40 degrees and taking them out a couple of hours before game time.
"The cover and first quarter-inch would warm up," he said, "but the core would remain cold and you'd have a deader ball."
While a 90-degree room would allow balls to absorb more moisture than at a lower temperature, according to Carnegie Mellon physics professor emeritus John Fetkovich, it's not clear that it would make a difference in how the ball jumped off a bat. More important than the little extra moisture, Adair said, is the temperature of the ball's core.
Adair once tested the cold ball theory in a simple experiment at home. He put one baseball in his freezer and another in a 175-degree oven, "to my wife's disgust," and left them there overnight. Then he let them sit around awhile so that when he picked them up they didn't feel different.
"I just dropped them out of the 2½-story window of my study onto the concrete and the heights they bounced were radically different," he said. "The one in the oven bounced much higher."
A colleague confirmed the results with somewhat more careful experiments.
Tampering with the temperature or humidity of baseballs is neither new nor against the rules. Indeed, the Rockies' experiment has the blessing of the commissioner's office as long as it doesn't change the size and weight of the baseballs.
You can look at some numbers and believe the balls are having an effect. Runs are down at Coors Field from 15.1 per game the first seven seasons to 9.8 last month. Home runs have dropped 1.42 per game from a year ago. The Rockies' pitching staff has an ERA of 3.91 in 16 home games compared with 5.68 in 15 games on the road.
Does any of that mean anything? Who knows?
"I'm very dubious about complicated statistical analyses applied to baseball," Adair said. "The game changes in ways that are obscure to me. And I've studied it more closely than most."
- HedCold - 05-10-2002
Quote:That's not as kooky as it might sound,i find it funny when writers use words like that
- Arthur Dent - 05-10-2002
Saw a great special once that was all about examining ALL the physics behind baseball.
Like, how can a pitcher throw a ball over 100mph when his hand only swings around at 20 or 30mph?
Haven't seen it in years. Really good if you can find it on video or something.
- Keyser Soze - 05-10-2002
I've heard that a curveball doesnt really curve, its just an optical illusion and its against the law of physics for anyone other than a sidearm pitcher or anyone who starts their release below the point of where the ball rises to throw a rising pitch.
- Sloatsburgh - 05-10-2002
What happens with a baseball is that the threads cause turbulance on the outside of the pitch and cause lift to the inside thus causing the ball to curve inside. See if you can find a book called "Newton and the Curveball". A great compilantion of essays on modern day physics. (Includes a study on why dart throwers throw better after a couple of beers when the opposite should be true.)
- Keyser Soze - 05-10-2002
I was wrong...
"For years, many scientists believed that the curveball was an optical illusion. As we shall see, this is not true. In fact, physicists have long been aware of the fact that a spinning ball curves in flight, going back to Isaac Newton, who wrote a paper on the subject in 1671. In 1852, the German physicist Gustav Magnus revived the topic when he demonstrated in an experiment that when a spinning object moves through a fluid it experiences a sideways force. This phenomenon, now known as the Magnus Effect, is the fundamental principle behind the curved flight of any spinning ball."
Pretty interesting information about it here...
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- DGW - 05-10-2002
Quote:(Includes a study on why dart throwers throw better after a couple of beers when the opposite should be true.)That is very true
- Sloatsburgh - 05-10-2002
Keyser, THE IS NO FUCKING N IN MAGUS!!!! I figured I'd tell you before he did....
- Keyser Soze - 05-10-2002
Tell him to take it up with Gustav, not me.
- Black Lazerus - 05-10-2002
Sloatsburgh
you finaly made me laugh
i got that speach from him "it's magus there is no n in it"
my respose what ever you chinks all look alike anyway.
- Skitchr4u - 05-10-2002
i always throw better darts after a few bong hits, not a few beers...
- Arpikarhu - 05-10-2002
maynard likes to play a game with the same name as this thread.