10-19-2002, 11:47 PM
Pot is illegal?
<span style='color:orange'>4 times? 4 times and now im a fag?</span>
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10-20-2002, 12:06 AM
Quote:Libertarians take it to the extreme.True freedom means total freedom. If that's an extreme thought or concept then I'm guilty as charged. Quote:Laws against drugs and prostituition are there to ensure that the basic rights of man, life liberty and pursuit of wealth, are not impinged upon. Really, how is that? How are my basic rights protected from ME using drugs or banging hookers? How does what I do harm you? What I use or put into my body is my decision. If I want to bang midget hookers while drinking, smoking grass and shooting drugs. Who am I hurting? Just myself. Not you or anybody else. What are you? A free willed thinking person. Or just a number doing what master say? It's nobody's business what I do. Especially government. ![[Image: eyes_424.jpg]](http://forums.colddayinhell.net/files/eyes_424.jpg) The spooks come out at night.
10-20-2002, 12:16 AM
Even though I'm not a Libertarian party supporter Harry Browne wrote a great essay on the Republican Sickness that might apply to the Jays.
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10-20-2002, 12:45 AM
Quote:If I want to bang midget hookers while drinking, smoking grass and shooting drugs. Who am I hurting? You would be endorsing the idea that prostitution is an acceptable way for a person to make a living. You would become a high risk for spreading diseases that could harm other individuals. Your smack addiction will make you a high risk for disease, if it doesn't kill you. And your addiction to drugs will turn you into a non-functioning member of soceity, a blight on the economy, a parasite on welfare and unemployment. Your ability to keep a job will be hindered due to the fact that you need to be high in order to function. You will not vote, you will not pay taxes, and you will not care due to your addictions. You impinge upon the life of the midget, your government, and myself, who has to help front the bill for your lazy ass. Quote:True freedom means total freedom. Total freedom is chaos.
10-20-2002, 12:55 AM
You know with your argument about being a blight on society I think we should go back to prohibition.
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10-20-2002, 01:00 AM
And with the other argument, I should have been allowed to drink when I was 5.
10-20-2002, 01:01 AM
People like The Jays scare me. Why don't we all just get bar codes tattooed across our foreheads?
We need to protect ourselves, from ourselves...
10-20-2002, 01:07 AM
Being able to drink at 5 is irrelevant to the topic. The topic is whether adults have a right to ingest, or inhale, or inject whichever chemicals they wish.
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10-20-2002, 01:07 AM
Oh, I'm sorry, I had the crazy notion that prostitution and drug use are a bad thing.
Quote:Being able to drink at 5 is irrelevant to the topic. The topic is whether adults have a right to ingest, or inhale, or inject whichever chemicals they wish. I thought the topic was should the governement tell adults what they have a right to do in general. If they shouldn't, then my parents might have had the right to let me drink at 5. Edited By The Jays on 1035076269
10-20-2002, 01:10 AM
Quote:And with the other argument, I should have been allowed to drink when I was 5. How is that? Parents tell their children what to do, not government. Quote:You know with your argument about being a blight on society I think we should go back to prohibition. :toast:  uicide: :toast: uicide: :toast: uicide: :toast: uicide: :toast: uicide: :toast: uicide: :toast: uicide: :toast: uicide: uicide: uicide: uicide: uicide: uicide: uicide: uicide: uicide:
The spooks come out at night.
10-20-2002, 01:10 AM
There are many drugs that are legal that cause more harm than illegal drugs. At the same time, it is not necessarily the drugs that are the problem, but the supporting industry. Some of this supporting industry could be controlled if it was regulated (read: decriminalized).
10-20-2002, 01:12 AM
Quote:How is that? Parents tell their children what to do, not government. In NYS, it is illegal to provide alcohol to minors.
10-20-2002, 01:22 AM
I don't think anyone here supports allowing children to legally have drugs. Parents have rights but not to the extent of inflicting possible harm on a minor. However an adult should be able to purchase drugs legally that they will be putting into their own body.
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10-20-2002, 01:30 AM
Quote:In NYS, it is illegal to provide alcohol to minors. Big deal, Narc. Quote:Some of this supporting industry could be controlled if it was regulated (read: decriminalized). <table style=filter:glow(color=green)>DECRIMINALIZED!</table> Means tax money!!! Which would be used to fund government programs. (Such as health or drug treatment programs, etc...) Thus then no burden on anyone except people who use it. Same with hookers. If you regulate them. (With a license and weekly Doctor visits.) You reduce the spread of disease and make them a tax payer at the same time. Same with drugs. Tax them and use the money to help people with an addiction problems. Storm troopers never see themselves as evil. But they still are. :burnfucker: The spooks come out at night.
10-20-2002, 01:49 AM
Ok, fine, I will put weed on par with alcohol as of right now.
While it is not stated directly in the Constitution, the government has had a history of taking upon itself the responsibility of making sure that medications and drugs are controlled. Substances such as morphine and marijuana are legal, as long as they are prescribed by a doctor. What ever the person does with them is his business, but he has been directed by a doctor to use them in a certain way. At one time, alcohol was legal to everyone. Enough people felt that alcohol was an evil substance that should not be allowed to be used in the US. This law was repealed because 1) prohibition created worse problems than keeping it legal would have. 2) People wanted to drink. Now, back to weed. Weed, right now, is under prohibition. Are the problems we have with it right now worse than the problems that would arise with it being legal? Some say yes, some say no. Do the people want to smoke? The majority do not. Why? There is still a social stigma with regards to drugs. We all grew up with the notion that drugs are bad. The majority of the people believe that drugs are bad. Thus, any law proposed that makes drug use legal would never make it very far. Plus, the government has always stated that certain drugs are illegal, and unless there is a large outcry that wishes to make these drugs legal, the policy will not be changed. Quote:Think about how much more money and freedom you would have if a lot of useless laws were throw out. Quote:DECRIMINALIZED! Means tax money!!! Do you want to get rid of taxes or add more? Quote:Thus then no burden on anyone except people who use it. It is a burden on the economy because a person's skills are not being used to their full potential due to drug use. Poor performance on the job. Edited By The Jays on 1035078821
10-20-2002, 01:57 AM
Quote:Do you want to get rid of taxes or add more? Get rid of them all, wise-ass. The spooks come out at night.
10-20-2002, 02:07 AM
I used to smoke weed on occasion, for years, and only with my best friend. We started in high school, and did it during my four years at school. I went away to school and got my degree. My friend is a year younger than me, and was in high school when I left. Before I left, he became more and more into smoking up. I got my degree four years later. He had dropped out of high school in his senior year, quit all the jobs he got, and continued to smoke weed. I saw how he had changed. I could not stand by and watch him waste more years of his life smoking up. So I stopped entirely, and confronted him with the idea that his drug use was hurting him because he was even worse off than he was 4 years ago, because he has no high school degree and no job, yet still wants to keep smoking up. I refuse to participate in smoking with him, it's the only way I can get the message through to him. I don't do drugs because I don't want to make it seem like I endorse the idea that he can keep doing drugs and actually do something with himself, because the evidence of the past 4 years tells me he can't. I don't see how making drug use legal would better the lives of so many people.
10-20-2002, 04:23 AM
It doesn't necesarily endorse the lifestyle. I don't do drugs and don't plan on doing them. The point is that it is not the government's responsibility.
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10-20-2002, 06:16 AM
... people want the government to have the responibility. Until the people say no, the government has the responsibility.
10-20-2002, 06:23 AM
The Bill of Rights was created to protect the rights of the minority from the majority. That applies to drugs too.
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