07-21-2004, 06:37 PM
if i started the thread with it i would agree, but its relevant to the ongoing discussion of this topic
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07-23-2004, 05:25 PM
07-23-2004, 07:24 PM
I haven't listened, but I don't believe that Franken can own anyone in a debate. I've never heard him use a fact in his life. All he does is talk down to everyone in a smarmy way.
07-23-2004, 07:25 PM
"Well, we have a lot in common, but we're not really friends."
07-23-2004, 11:55 PM
Galt Wrote:I haven't listened, but I don't believe that Franken can own anyone in a debate. I've never heard him use a fact in his life. All he does is talk down to everyone in a smarmy way.all he uses are facts. well documented and fully foot noted facts. he can afford to be smarmy cause he is usually right. ![[Image: bland_706.jpg]](http://forums.colddayinhell.net/files/bland_706.jpg)
07-24-2004, 04:26 AM
O'REILLY: In the "Personal Stories" segment tonight, we were surprised to find out than an American who lost his father in the World Trade Center attack had signed an anti-war advertisement that accused the USA itself of terrorism.
The offending passage read, "We too watched with shock the horrific events of September 11... we too mourned the thousands of innocent dead and shook our heads at the terrible scenes of carnage -- even as we recalled similar scenes in Baghdad, Panama City, and a generation ago, Vietnam." With us now is Jeremy Glick, whose father, Barry, was a Port Authority worker at the Trade Center. Mr. Glick is a co-author of the book "Another World is Possible." I'm surprised you signed this. You were the only one of all of the families who signed... JEREMY GLICK, FATHER DIED IN WORLD TRADE CENTER: Well, actually, that's not true. O'REILLY: Who signed the advertisement? GLICK: Peaceful Tomorrow, which represents 9/11 families, were also involved. O'REILLY: Hold it, hold it, hold it, Jeremy. You're the only one who signed this advertisement. GLICK: As an individual. O'REILLY: Yes, as -- with your name. You were the only one. I was surprised, and the reason I was surprised is that this ad equates the United States with the terrorists. And I was offended by that. GLICK: Well, you say -- I remember earlier you said it was a moral equivalency, and it's actually a material equivalency. And just to back up for a second about your surprise, I'm actually shocked that you're surprised. If you think about it, our current president, who I feel and many feel is in this position illegitimately by neglecting the voices of Afro- Americans in the Florida coup, which, actually, somebody got impeached for during the Reconstruction period -- Our current president now inherited a legacy from his father and inherited a political legacy that's responsible for training militarily, economically, and situating geopolitically the parties involved in the alleged assassination and the murder of my father and countless of thousands of others. So I don't see why it's surprising... O'REILLY: All right. Now let me stop you here. So... GLICK: ... for you to think that I would come back and want to support... O'REILLY: It is surprising, and I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why it's surprising. GLICK: ... escalating... O'REILLY: You are mouthing a far left position that is a marginal position in this society, which you're entitled to. GLICK: It's marginal -- right. O'REILLY: You're entitled to it, all right, but you're -- you see, even -- I'm sure your beliefs are sincere, but what upsets me is I don't think your father would be approving of this. GLICK: Well, actually, my father thought that Bush's presidency was illegitimate. O'REILLY: Maybe he did, but... GLICK: I also didn't think that Bush... O'REILLY: ... I don't think he'd be equating this country as a terrorist nation as you are. GLICK: Well, I wasn't saying that it was necessarily like that. O'REILLY: Yes, you are. You signed... GLICK: What I'm saying is... O'REILLY: ... this, and that absolutely said that. GLICK: ... is that in -- six months before the Soviet invasion in Afghanistan, starting in the Carter administration and continuing and escalating while Bush's father was head of the CIA, we recruited a hundred thousand radical mujahadeens to combat a democratic government in Afghanistan, the Turaki government. O'REILLY: All right. I don't want to... GLICK: Maybe... O'REILLY: I don't want to debate world politics with you. GLICK: Well, why not? This is about world politics. O'REILLY: Because, No. 1, I don't really care what you think. GLICK: Well, OK. O'REILLY: You're -- I want to... GLICK: But you do care because you... O'REILLY: No, no. Look... GLICK: The reason why you care is because you evoke 9/11... O'REILLY: Here's why I care. GLICK: ... to rationalize... O'REILLY: Here's why I care... GLICK: Let me finish. You evoke 9/11 to rationalize everything from domestic plunder to imperialistic aggression worldwide. O'REILLY: OK. That's a bunch... GLICK: You evoke sympathy with the 9/11 families. O'REILLY: That's a bunch of crap. I've done more for the 9/11 families by their own admission -- I've done more for them than you will ever hope to do. GLICK: OK. O'REILLY: So you keep your mouth shut when you sit here exploiting those people. GLICK: Well, you're not representing me. You're not representing me. O'REILLY: And I'd never represent you. You know why? GLICK: Why? O'REILLY: Because you have a warped view of this world and a warped view of this country. GLICK: Well, explain that. Let me give you an example of a parallel... O'REILLY: No, I'm not going to debate this with you, all right. GLICK: Well, let me give you an example of parallel experience. On September 14... O'REILLY: No, no. Here's -- here's the... GLICK: On September 14... O'REILLY: Here's the record. GLICK: OK. O'REILLY: All right. You didn't support the action against Afghanistan to remove the Taliban. You were against it, OK. GLICK: Why would I want to brutalize and further punish the people in Afghanistan... O'REILLY: Who killed your father! GLICK: The people in Afghanistan... O'REILLY: Who killed your father. GLICK: ... didn't kill my father. O'REILLY: Sure they did. The al Qaeda people were trained there. GLICK: The al Qaeda people? What about the Afghan people? O'REILLY: See, I'm more angry about it than you are! GLICK: So what about George Bush? O'REILLY: What about George Bush? He had nothing to do with it. GLICK: The director -- senior as director of the CIA. O'REILLY: He had nothing to do with it. GLICK: So the people that trained a hundred thousand Mujahadeen who were... O'REILLY: Man, I hope your mom isn't watching this. GLICK: Well, I hope she is. O'REILLY: I hope your mother is not watching this because you -- that's it. I'm not going to say anymore. GLICK: OK. O'REILLY: In respect for your father... GLICK: On September 14, do you want to know what I'm doing? O'REILLY: Shut up. Shut up. GLICK: Oh, please don't tell me to shut up. O'REILLY: As respect -- as respect -- in respect for your father, who was a Port Authority worker, a fine American, who got killed unnecessarily by barbarians... GLICK: By radical extremists who were trained by this government... O'REILLY: Out of respect for him... GLICK: ... not the people of America. O'REILLY: ... I'm not going to... GLICK: ... The people of the ruling class, the small minority. O'REILLY: Cut his mic. I'm not going to dress you down anymore, out of respect for your father. We will be back in a moment with more of THE FACTOR. GLICK: That means we're done? O'REILLY: We're done. Here's the sickening apology quote (which lead into a whitewash of fellow excement Jerry Thacker): "I have to apologize. If I knew that guy, Jeremy Glick, was going to be like that, I never would have brought him in here, and I feel bad for his family. I really do. "
07-24-2004, 05:20 PM
You are kidding, right? Stossel was great on that other guys show. They guy consistently just made things up, and said "isn't that true?" and Stossel said "no that's not true".
whoever this DJ is, he's a total jackass.
07-24-2004, 05:54 PM
Galt Wrote:You are kidding, right? Stossel was great on that other guys show. They guy consistently just made things up, and said "isn't that true?" and Stossel said "no that's not true".so stossel said" no thats not true"? wow, i stand corrected, he debates like a god!!
07-24-2004, 07:43 PM
yeah, listen to the adui. not the Franken one. I couldn't find Stossel on that.
But the other guy was wildly unprofessional. The guy kep t trying to set up Stossel like he had him on something, and Stossel just laughed at the gyu.
07-24-2004, 09:28 PM
Go to:
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://airamericaplace.com/archive.php?s=of">http://airamericaplace.com/archive.php?s=of</a><!-- m --> Listen to the June 2, 2004 show and skip ahead to the 86:00 mark. Al Franken totally OWNS Neal Boortz. Here's a summary of the exchange if you don't feel like listening (their audio link doesn't work)
07-25-2004, 12:38 AM
Galt Wrote:yeah, listen to the adui. not the Franken one. I couldn't find Stossel on that.so stossel said "no thats not true", and then he laughed at the guy?!?! he is like Clarence Darrow with those skills!
07-25-2004, 01:36 AM
yes. That's exactly what I"m saying. Each split personality just gets better and better.
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