01-04-2005, 06:16 PM
SabaNJ666 (11:11:41 AM): yo
SoupSoupAD (11:11:52 AM): yo
SabaNJ666 (11:11:59 AM): are you oauncensored@gmail?
SoupSoupAD (11:12:04 AM): yes
SabaNJ666 (11:12:10 AM): u get my mail/
SoupSoupAD (11:12:19 AM): i havent checked it lately
SabaNJ666 (11:12:39 AM): i said if you ever wanted to do an interview let me know
SabaNJ666 (11:12:43 AM): with me that is
SoupSoupAD (11:12:48 AM): cool
SoupSoupAD (11:12:55 AM): im definitely interested
SoupSoupAD (11:13:00 AM): when would you have time?
SabaNJ666 (11:13:10 AM): whenever
SoupSoupAD (11:13:20 AM): how about right now?
SabaNJ666 (11:13:25 AM): ive been there through all of this crap
SabaNJ666 (11:13:37 AM): since pretty much the beginning
SoupSoupAD (11:13:40 AM): i know
SoupSoupAD (11:13:51 AM): ive been trying to get ahold of you for one
SabaNJ666 (11:14:13 AM): do you need to switch screennames?
SoupSoupAD (11:14:15 AM): no
SabaNJ666 (11:14:22 AM): ok well fire away
SabaNJ666 (11:14:39 AM): and don't hold back, i don't care
SoupSoupAD (11:14:47 AM): excellent
SoupSoupAD (11:14:55 AM): alright, id like to start at the very beginning
SabaNJ666 (11:15:14 AM): a good place
SoupSoupAD (11:15:18 AM): when did you first start listening to opie and anthony
SabaNJ666 (11:15:37 AM): who can say exactely
SabaNJ666 (11:15:56 AM): i remember steve was still running foundrymusic.com himself
SabaNJ666 (11:16:19 AM): the site was all updated by hand, all of it
SabaNJ666 (11:16:52 AM): lemme check wayback
SoupSoupAD (11:17:03 AM): this was back in 1999?
SoupSoupAD (11:17:07 AM): i think?
SabaNJ666 (11:17:13 AM): sounds right
SoupSoupAD (11:17:26 AM): what were you doing with yourself back then?
SabaNJ666 (11:18:04 AM): pretty much what i do nowadays, masturbating and web design
SoupSoupAD (11:18:20 AM): a match made in heaven
SabaNJ666 (11:18:36 AM): or masturbating while web designing
SabaNJ666 (11:18:39 AM): or masturbating to my web designs
SoupSoupAD (11:18:47 AM): how did you come to be a part of foundry music?
SabaNJ666 (11:19:11 AM): i reached out to Steve actually
SabaNJ666 (11:19:40 AM): there was definately more he could be doing with the site
SabaNJ666 (11:19:57 AM): and you could tell from looking at it that he barely knew what he was doing
SoupSoupAD (11:20:14 AM): was it still focused on his band at that point or was it pretty much the O&A fansite?
SabaNJ666 (11:21:21 AM): late 80's metal, underground music and O&A
SabaNJ666 (11:21:35 AM): Steve just can't let RATT die
SoupSoupAD (11:21:40 AM): haaa
SoupSoupAD (11:21:42 AM): it shows
SabaNJ666 (11:22:23 AM): i do admit i take a guilty pleasure in seeing how some of these rock icons turned out
SoupSoupAD (11:22:27 AM): as do i
SoupSoupAD (11:22:34 AM): im addicted to behind the music
SabaNJ666 (11:22:38 AM): i mean, these guys commanded women
SabaNJ666 (11:23:12 AM): now women change their bed pans
SoupSoupAD (11:23:23 AM): awful, and sad
SabaNJ666 (11:23:29 AM): and hilarious
SoupSoupAD (11:23:38 AM): all in one
SoupSoupAD (11:24:02 AM): at what point did you become involved in the message boards?
SabaNJ666 (11:24:42 AM): which specifically?
SoupSoupAD (11:24:52 AM): any
SoupSoupAD (11:24:56 AM): the first one
SabaNJ666 (11:24:57 AM): the O&A ones or the Ron & Fez ones?
SoupSoupAD (11:24:58 AM): actually
SoupSoupAD (11:25:16 AM): the first board you were involved with, which was it?
SabaNJ666 (11:25:21 AM): opieanthony.com
SabaNJ666 (11:25:40 AM): like many, my interest was piqued right around when bang party broke
SoupSoupAD (11:26:35 AM): were you involved in bang party at all?
SabaNJ666 (11:26:45 AM): no
SoupSoupAD (11:27:05 AM): do you think it was bad for the board?
SabaNJ666 (11:27:17 AM): anyone who says yes is lying
SoupSoupAD (11:27:41 AM): well, seph seems to think real life drama kills message boards
SabaNJ666 (11:27:43 AM): if anything, it put it "on the map"
SoupSoupAD (11:27:51 AM): i agree
SabaNJ666 (11:28:09 AM): if its managed properly, there shouldn't be a problem
SabaNJ666 (11:28:17 AM): bad management kills message boards
SoupSoupAD (11:28:40 AM): do you think froy managed the situation badly?
SoupSoupAD (11:28:57 AM): poorly rather
SabaNJ666 (11:28:59 AM): i think froy was too concerned trying to turn a buck than navigating the egos of his staff and members
SoupSoupAD (11:29:25 AM): which he did, making over 3,000 at one of his parties
SabaNJ666 (11:29:45 AM): i don't put it past him
SoupSoupAD (11:29:48 AM): which is fine, but he played like he wasnt trying to profit from the site, just pay the bills
SoupSoupAD (11:30:05 AM): turns out the bill was like $100 a month
SabaNJ666 (11:30:30 AM): that's kind of one sided though
SabaNJ666 (11:31:04 AM): some of the blame i think also falls on the fools who forked over $20 to attend a party
SabaNJ666 (11:31:08 AM): for a message board
SoupSoupAD (11:31:12 AM): yes
SoupSoupAD (11:31:28 AM): morons
SabaNJ666 (11:31:46 AM): what did you actually get for that $20, does anyone know?
SabaNJ666 (11:31:53 AM): open bar? food?
SoupSoupAD (11:33:01 AM): i didnt go
SoupSoupAD (11:33:03 AM): im not sure
SoupSoupAD (11:33:18 AM): ill have to find out though, thats my job
SoupSoupAD (11:33:19 AM): ha
SabaNJ666 (11:33:22 AM): well you're a smart guy
SoupSoupAD (11:33:44 AM): well we know it sure didnt cost 3,000 to throw
SabaNJ666 (11:33:59 AM): that's kind of when i came on board officially
SabaNJ666 (11:34:17 AM): although i might have the dates mixed up
SoupSoupAD (11:34:19 AM): what was froys relationship like with foundry?
SoupSoupAD (11:34:33 AM): do you think he needed you more than you needed him or the other way around?
SabaNJ666 (11:34:34 AM): all i know was I had the software to bail him out of his bandwidth woes
SabaNJ666 (11:35:12 AM): i never needed Froy
SabaNJ666 (11:36:01 AM): my contributions to the board were for the show, not him
SoupSoupAD (11:36:57 AM): did you enjoy the board or was it a hostile thing?
SabaNJ666 (11:37:05 AM): I enjoyed it b/c it was hostile
SabaNJ666 (11:37:29 AM): verbal brutality is very entertaining when its done right
SoupSoupAD (11:37:35 AM): you liked the back and forth?
SoupSoupAD (11:37:39 AM): the verbal jousting
SabaNJ666 (11:37:57 AM): of course
SoupSoupAD (11:38:05 AM): do you think thats lacking now at wackbag?
SoupSoupAD (11:38:21 AM): are they trying too hard to be nice?
SoupSoupAD (11:38:37 AM): or "clean"
SabaNJ666 (11:38:51 AM): i see wackbag and opieanthony.net as two entirely different entities serving two different needs
SabaNJ666 (11:39:12 AM): one serves the show and criticizes the show
SabaNJ666 (11:39:24 AM): one serves the show and one criticizes the show
SoupSoupAD (11:39:54 AM): cant one board do both?
SabaNJ666 (11:40:06 AM): i don't see how
SabaNJ666 (11:40:43 AM): oa.net prides itself on being able to harshly criticize the show, regardless of how O&A or the fans react to the criticism
SabaNJ666 (11:41:16 AM): i think we need that
SabaNJ666 (11:41:32 AM): wackbag is a more comfortable environment
SabaNJ666 (11:41:44 AM): and some people need that
SoupSoupAD (11:42:29 AM): do you feel like sometimes wackbag is just kissing ass to become part of the show?
SoupSoupAD (11:42:38 AM): like they are insincere
SabaNJ666 (11:44:22 AM): hard to say really, although from what i'm reading in your forum it's probably a good idea to stay out of O&A's crosshairs
SoupSoupAD (11:45:05 AM): i think they're trying to avoid Anthony's crosshairs
SoupSoupAD (11:45:05 AM): ha
SabaNJ666 (11:45:26 AM): i mean the buck stops with Stingray
SoupSoupAD (11:45:36 AM): yeah and he has that froy mentality
SoupSoupAD (11:45:45 AM): he wants badly to be in with the show
SoupSoupAD (11:46:02 AM): he paid to be in the studio during the 55 gallon drum challenge
SabaNJ666 (11:46:15 AM): it was quite a sight to see
SoupSoupAD (11:46:37 AM): yeah but $500? that borders on pathetic stalker fan
SabaNJ666 (11:46:49 AM): really?
SoupSoupAD (11:47:08 AM): yes and he denies it now, despite the fact its right in his own message board archives
SoupSoupAD (11:47:18 AM): during his battle with sean
SabaNJ666 (11:47:38 AM): if that's true, it's pretty sad
SoupSoupAD (11:47:53 AM): he shows up to everything
SoupSoupAD (11:48:01 AM): opie even said it during cherry darts
SoupSoupAD (11:48:14 AM): "look at this guy"
SoupSoupAD (11:48:19 AM): "he shows up to everything"
SabaNJ666 (11:49:28 AM): i mean i don't see the problem with wanting to be part of the show
SoupSoupAD (11:50:04 AM): not at all
SabaNJ666 (11:50:05 AM): it's a really fun, creative environment to be around
SoupSoupAD (11:50:11 AM): but thats borderline stalkerdom
SabaNJ666 (11:50:34 AM): maybe he's just bored and has a lot of free time
SabaNJ666 (11:50:50 AM): is he rich? I mean $500...
SoupSoupAD (11:50:56 AM): i don't think so
SoupSoupAD (11:51:07 AM): he lives in the bronx, i believe he does construction
SabaNJ666 (11:51:39 AM): i mean who can say what his motives are
SoupSoupAD (11:52:05 AM): only he knows really, and he is pretty tight lipped
SabaNJ666 (11:53:16 AM): i never understood the hatred between the two boards
SoupSoupAD (11:53:54 AM): well i think .net feels like the show doesnt appreciate them cause they dont kiss ass like wackbag
SoupSoupAD (11:54:00 AM): for example
SabaNJ666 (11:54:09 AM): oh i guarantee that's the case
SoupSoupAD (11:54:12 AM): today diab called the show
SoupSoupAD (11:54:20 AM): he had talked to opie before about this contest
SoupSoupAD (11:54:32 AM): to raffle off XM gift certs
SoupSoupAD (11:54:46 AM): anyone could buy a ticket and all the money went to the gift cert
SoupSoupAD (11:55:11 AM): opie liked the idea, told diab so in email
SoupSoupAD (11:55:31 AM): so he calls in today and tells the intern who he is and that he has spoken to opie, etc...
SoupSoupAD (11:55:42 AM): then he asked what board he ran
SoupSoupAD (11:55:45 AM): and they hung up
SoupSoupAD (11:56:07 AM): its not really opie or anthony
SabaNJ666 (11:56:09 AM): did he call back?
SoupSoupAD (11:56:28 AM): its someone in their office i guess that doesnt like .net
SabaNJ666 (11:56:37 AM): that could be the intern, not O&A
SoupSoupAD (11:56:40 AM): no, he said he would call again tomorrow
SoupSoupAD (11:56:43 AM): yes, thats what i said
SoupSoupAD (11:57:00 AM): he said he was too pissed to call back today and didnt want to say something he would regret
SabaNJ666 (11:57:51 AM): well, that's not the strongest example of not being appreciated
SoupSoupAD (11:58:07 AM): i think .net totally appreciates the link on opieanthony.com
SoupSoupAD (11:58:30 AM): and O&A do plug the board here and there
SoupSoupAD (11:58:43 AM): they never have had anything bad to say at all about the board
SabaNJ666 (11:59:14 AM): you're kind of arguing against your point
SoupSoupAD (11:59:46 AM): my point is why do you feel they feel unappreciated?
SabaNJ666 (11:59:56 AM): who can say
SabaNJ666 (12:00:26 PM): some people keep tallies on how often thier mentioned
SoupSoupAD (12:00:33 PM): thats lame
SabaNJ666 (12:00:55 PM): look nobody enjoys being criticized, its ego bruising
SabaNJ666 (12:01:16 PM): especially creative guys like O&A
SabaNJ666 (12:01:32 PM): just recently you posted an exchange between Diab and I regarding the chat room
SabaNJ666 (12:01:54 PM): and how Anthony exploded in response to the suggestion by a guy in my chat room that the topic at hand was boring and they should move on
SabaNJ666 (12:02:06 PM): perfect example
SoupSoupAD (12:02:09 PM): true
SoupSoupAD (12:02:28 PM): one person spoils it for everyone
SabaNJ666 (12:03:04 PM): well that's a completely different conversation, but what im tryign to say is their inability to handle criticism at times is just human nature
SoupSoupAD (12:03:22 PM): do you think its hypocritical to be so sensitive about things said about you when you do a cringe radio show?
SoupSoupAD (12:03:36 PM): i mean they abused the shit out of people on the show
SoupSoupAD (12:03:45 PM): shouldnt they have thicker skins?
SoupSoupAD (12:03:54 PM): isnt that what they ride howard about?
SabaNJ666 (12:04:40 PM): the thing people don't understand
SabaNJ666 (12:04:47 PM): is there are no absolutes when it comes to personality
SabaNJ666 (12:05:43 PM): everyone has thier moments of weakness, you can always catch someone doing something contrary to thier usual behavior
SabaNJ666 (12:06:05 PM): O&A have learned to exploit Stern's moments of weakness
SabaNJ666 (12:06:13 PM): but really they're just catching him on off days
SabaNJ666 (12:07:01 PM): i've listened to Howard Stern destroy people on the air
SabaNJ666 (12:07:37 PM): but you catch him on the right day, and yeah he'll kick you out of his press conference...maybe he just does't want to deal with you
SabaNJ666 (12:07:54 PM): and who knows the true and complete back story to some of these claims O&A makes sometimes
SoupSoupAD (12:07:58 PM): and he gets reamed by O&A for that
SoupSoupAD (12:08:07 PM): as he should
SoupSoupAD (12:08:20 PM): yeah we only hear so much
SabaNJ666 (12:08:27 PM): i mean, do people honestly believe O&A went to a press conference to just check him out
SoupSoupAD (12:08:45 PM): of course not, they wanted to push his buttons
SabaNJ666 (12:08:53 PM): no, they were there to make headlines...O&A and Stern in the same room..maybe O&A were gonna shout something out...confront him in front of the media...
SoupSoupAD (12:08:53 PM): the same way they get him to mention them on air
SoupSoupAD (12:08:59 PM): playing into their hands
SabaNJ666 (12:09:12 PM): he denied them thier media exposure
SabaNJ666 (12:09:28 PM): so instead of the nation talking about it, O&A get to talk about it on thier show to thier fans
SabaNJ666 (12:09:32 PM): who really won there?
SoupSoupAD (12:09:34 PM): did couldnt expect him to allow them to be there
SoupSoupAD (12:09:39 PM): they couldnt rather
SoupSoupAD (12:09:49 PM): they were trying to steal his thunder
SabaNJ666 (12:09:54 PM): and failed
SabaNJ666 (12:10:13 PM): so all that was left was to criticise Howard's "cowardess" in that regard
SabaNJ666 (12:10:16 PM): which is silly
SabaNJ666 (12:10:26 PM): so when it comes to hypocrisy
SoupSoupAD (12:10:34 PM): they may have done the same if they had the power
SabaNJ666 (12:10:40 PM): and cringe jocks being unable to take cringe criticism
SabaNJ666 (12:11:04 PM): yeah it happens, they're just as flawed as we are
SabaNJ666 (12:11:19 PM): may have? that's how you play the game at that level
SoupSoupAD (12:12:00 PM): its funny though how they both contradict themselves, about the very things they criticize each other about
SabaNJ666 (12:12:15 PM): oh i know its a mess
SabaNJ666 (12:12:25 PM): i think they're show is at its weakest when they do that
SoupSoupAD (12:12:40 PM): telling stern that he shouldnt have made enemies with infinity
SabaNJ666 (12:12:56 PM): fighting with other shows...
SoupSoupAD (12:13:01 PM): when O&A know full well they had the same fights with management
SoupSoupAD (12:13:06 PM): over content
SabaNJ666 (12:13:26 PM): there's nothing creative about that, its easy to do the hoo hoo jokes...
SoupSoupAD (12:14:02 PM): ron and fez were great at poking fun at both of them
SabaNJ666 (12:14:09 PM): as they should
SoupSoupAD (12:14:10 PM): showing how ridiculous they both were
SoupSoupAD (12:14:24 PM): i think new york really missed out on them
SabaNJ666 (12:14:35 PM): let's get back to the uncensored stuff, cause this is stuff everyone talks about
SoupSoupAD (12:14:36 PM): they could have been something special in ny radio
SoupSoupAD (12:14:55 PM): true, we digress
SoupSoupAD (12:15:26 PM): lets play word association
SoupSoupAD (12:15:45 PM): ill give you a name or word and you give me the first thought that comes to mind
SoupSoupAD (12:15:56 PM): you can expound if you like but dont think too hard
SoupSoupAD (12:16:02 PM): gonzostyle
SabaNJ666 (12:16:20 PM): two-faced
SoupSoupAD (12:16:28 PM): how so?
SabaNJ666 (12:17:43 PM): like every other two-faced person in this world
SoupSoupAD (12:17:50 PM): what did he do?
SabaNJ666 (12:18:32 PM): never knew where i stood with that guy
SoupSoupAD (12:18:59 PM): can you relate a specific incident that led you to that feeling?
SabaNJ666 (12:19:14 PM): we had no problem at the parties, but whenever it came to the board, he was one of my more vocal naysayers
SabaNJ666 (12:19:58 PM): i know for a fact none of the mods were happy with how i became a mod
SabaNJ666 (12:20:12 PM): or admin rather
SoupSoupAD (12:20:30 PM): why?
SoupSoupAD (12:20:56 PM): you think they felt like they put some time into the board and you just kind of walked in?
SabaNJ666 (12:21:08 PM): exactely it
SabaNJ666 (12:21:33 PM): who knows where that board would've been if i had not
SabaNJ666 (12:21:46 PM): offline probably
SoupSoupAD (12:21:51 PM): was it in that bad of shape?
SabaNJ666 (12:22:05 PM): it was clear the bills were more than froy could handle
SabaNJ666 (12:22:14 PM): even if they were small
SoupSoupAD (12:22:33 PM): foundry came in and hosted it as well, right?
SabaNJ666 (12:22:39 PM): well the company that hosted foundry
SoupSoupAD (12:22:59 PM): getting them a better deal and more efficient software you coded?
SabaNJ666 (12:23:00 PM): for free might i add
SoupSoupAD (12:23:24 PM): so he was paying nothing to have it hosted with them?
SabaNJ666 (12:23:42 PM): if he was paying anything, it was negligible
SoupSoupAD (12:24:13 PM): sean cold
SoupSoupAD (12:24:21 PM): (back to word association)
SabaNJ666 (12:24:29 PM): gentle thor
SoupSoupAD (12:24:36 PM): ha
SabaNJ666 (12:24:42 PM): i miss that guy
SoupSoupAD (12:25:06 PM): do you disagree with gooch and gonzos assesement that he "played sides" with people?
SoupSoupAD (12:25:28 PM): he would bash froy and at the same time be nice to him in person
SabaNJ666 (12:25:50 PM): again, nobody's consistent, its impossible
SoupSoupAD (12:26:11 PM): but you fault gonzo more than sean for being two faced?
SabaNJ666 (12:26:28 PM): in the context of a party when everyone's just trying to have a good time, it takes a special kind of someone to be the hardass ruining the night
SabaNJ666 (12:26:59 PM): sean consistently mocked me, but it was the kind of mocking guys do in jest
SabaNJ666 (12:27:07 PM): gonzo, i feel, just didn't like me period
SoupSoupAD (12:27:13 PM): a ballbuster
SabaNJ666 (12:27:22 PM): which made his dubiousness that much more insulting
SoupSoupAD (12:27:30 PM): i understand
SoupSoupAD (12:27:47 PM): gooch
SabaNJ666 (12:28:05 PM): Smartass
SabaNJ666 (12:28:11 PM): we never really got along
SoupSoupAD (12:28:33 PM): why not?
SabaNJ666 (12:28:54 PM): he was one of many who couldn't accept me as a walk-in admin
SabaNJ666 (12:30:11 PM): took whatever he needed from my posts to support his feelings toward me and never really bothered to get to know me
SoupSoupAD (12:30:42 PM): OTL
SabaNJ666 (12:30:59 PM): waste
SabaNJ666 (12:31:13 PM): un-focused, poorly executed piece of garbage
SabaNJ666 (12:31:47 PM): i knew it too, right from the start, which is why i opted for the one-time lump sum
SabaNJ666 (12:32:08 PM): i remember meeting with Froy and his entepreneurial staff at the WWE restaurant
SoupSoupAD (12:32:21 PM): ha
SabaNJ666 (12:32:32 PM): listened to him pitch the idea, i smelled that stinker a mile away
SoupSoupAD (12:32:44 PM): he didnt pay either, did he?
SoupSoupAD (12:32:50 PM): for lunch that is
SabaNJ666 (12:32:58 PM): no i don't think so
SoupSoupAD (12:33:03 PM): is it true it was originally just jon's idea and froy pushed him out?
SabaNJ666 (12:33:38 PM): i don't know, i came in at the end
SabaNJ666 (12:34:10 PM): that being said, if i was jon, i wouldn't want my name attached to it
SoupSoupAD (12:34:20 PM): true
SoupSoupAD (12:34:25 PM): and just jon
SabaNJ666 (12:34:47 PM): what limit was it actually over?
SoupSoupAD (12:34:49 PM): unless you wanted to further expand on your thoughts about OTL
SoupSoupAD (12:34:52 PM): ha
SoupSoupAD (12:35:06 PM): it was an awful attempt at a E/N site
SoupSoupAD (12:35:17 PM): geared to horny men
SabaNJ666 (12:35:39 PM): he would've made more money just focusing on the girls
SoupSoupAD (12:35:41 PM): yes
SabaNJ666 (12:35:44 PM): instead of original content
SoupSoupAD (12:35:48 PM): that was the only reason i went there
SoupSoupAD (12:35:49 PM): ha
SoupSoupAD (12:36:03 PM): he should have just built a porn site really
SabaNJ666 (12:36:47 PM): you build a site with the user in mind
SoupSoupAD (12:36:58 PM): unless you have serious backing or some amazing viral marketing, its real hard to build an entertainment site that makes money
SabaNJ666 (12:37:19 PM): i guess in froy's mind, the user was supposed to jerk off to teen girls and take in a witty article when they were done
SoupSoupAD (12:37:25 PM): ha
SabaNJ666 (12:37:40 PM): it made no sense
SabaNJ666 (12:38:39 PM): and the "girl next door" section? girl next door? that's an original marketing angle
SoupSoupAD (12:38:48 PM): do you sometimes think foundry tries to cater to too many interests?
SabaNJ666 (12:38:52 PM): yes
SoupSoupAD (12:39:03 PM): gets a little overwhelming
SabaNJ666 (12:39:09 PM): not really
SabaNJ666 (12:39:15 PM): we've condensed a lot
SabaNJ666 (12:39:27 PM): believe you me....unfortunately O&A is not enough to sustain a site
SabaNJ666 (12:39:55 PM): believe or not a significant amount of our traffic comes from our music content
SoupSoupAD (12:40:04 PM): did you think froy was trying to create his own foundry?
SoupSoupAD (12:40:26 PM): using his board as a funnel for traffic to it
SabaNJ666 (12:40:40 PM): i'm not exactely sure what he was trying to create
SoupSoupAD (12:40:52 PM): whats he up to these days?
SoupSoupAD (12:41:02 PM): someone hacked the shit out of OTL
SabaNJ666 (12:41:52 PM): from last i heard he was working on sexyshayna.com
SoupSoupAD (12:41:58 PM): she bailed
SoupSoupAD (12:42:05 PM): check the site
SabaNJ666 (12:42:34 PM): good she's busted anyway
SoupSoupAD (12:42:41 PM): ha
SoupSoupAD (12:42:44 PM): miss bear
SoupSoupAD (12:42:46 PM): AWFUL
SoupSoupAD (12:42:53 PM): speaking of which
SoupSoupAD (12:42:54 PM): lent
SabaNJ666 (12:43:17 PM): miss bear, oof...i haven't seen ribs like that since the meat boxing scene in rocky
SoupSoupAD (12:43:28 PM): haaaaaaaaaa
SabaNJ666 (12:44:16 PM): lent i don't even remember that well
SabaNJ666 (12:44:22 PM): he probably didn't like me
SabaNJ666 (12:44:26 PM): none of them did
SoupSoupAD (12:44:27 PM): does froy shoot those girls?
SoupSoupAD (12:44:39 PM): or buy from a content provider
SabaNJ666 (12:44:54 PM): i think he knows them
SoupSoupAD (12:45:55 PM): he never get that horse faced katylina to pose, thankfully
SabaNJ666 (12:46:04 PM): i remember it getting to the point where everyone hated me so much i just wanted my board software back...froy said he would sue me if i touched it
SoupSoupAD (12:46:21 PM): sue you?
SoupSoupAD (12:46:34 PM): doesnt he live with his mom?
SabaNJ666 (12:46:44 PM): yeah for damages related to loss income to OTL
SoupSoupAD (12:46:51 PM): ugh
SoupSoupAD (12:47:19 PM): couple more names and then ill wrap this up
SoupSoupAD (12:47:35 PM): opie
SabaNJ666 (12:48:00 PM): business
SoupSoupAD (12:48:03 PM): anthony
SabaNJ666 (12:48:51 PM): brilliant
SoupSoupAD (12:48:54 PM): ben
SabaNJ666 (12:49:03 PM): loyal
SoupSoupAD (12:49:11 PM): rick
SabaNJ666 (12:50:12 PM): hmm
SabaNJ666 (12:50:23 PM): tough one
SabaNJ666 (12:50:54 PM): career-driven
SabaNJ666 (12:50:59 PM): that's dumb but accurate
SoupSoupAD (12:51:16 PM): is he completely done with O&A?
SabaNJ666 (12:51:19 PM): yes
SoupSoupAD (12:51:30 PM): he's on some awful station now, isnt he?
SabaNJ666 (12:51:30 PM): so much so that i had to remove his image from all marketing and web materials
SabaNJ666 (12:51:45 PM): producing a show on hot 97 i believe
SoupSoupAD (12:51:55 PM): haaaa
SabaNJ666 (12:52:16 PM): from what i heard he had a rather big head
SoupSoupAD (12:52:33 PM): cause he was their producer?
SabaNJ666 (12:52:46 PM): that and i guess it was just his personality
SabaNJ666 (12:53:28 PM): although i will say the show was better during his tenure
SoupSoupAD (12:53:41 PM): you think ben is a poor producer?
SabaNJ666 (12:54:00 PM): he's a hard worker but i don't think he's a shark
SoupSoupAD (12:54:15 PM): and rick was?
SabaNJ666 (12:54:16 PM): rick was a shark
SoupSoupAD (12:54:21 PM): how so?
SabaNJ666 (12:54:54 PM): the quality of the guests
SabaNJ666 (12:54:56 PM): of the girls
SabaNJ666 (12:55:44 PM): i don't know, show just seems weaker, but i can't tell if that's just b/c they've been out of it for so long
SabaNJ666 (12:55:56 PM): or the production staff
SabaNJ666 (12:55:59 PM): i know they all work thier asses off
SoupSoupAD (12:56:08 PM): maybe they need to build up some steam
SoupSoupAD (12:56:27 PM): get a foothold
SabaNJ666 (12:56:47 PM): from a web perspective they're probably the best represented show on the internet
SoupSoupAD (12:56:48 PM): i think XM needs to help them more as well
SabaNJ666 (12:57:00 PM): i mean that's covered 100% in every regard except for live video streaming
SoupSoupAD (12:57:06 PM): yes, their strong point is their viral marketing
SabaNJ666 (12:57:21 PM): XM's marketing dept dropped the ball
SabaNJ666 (12:57:29 PM): awful
SabaNJ666 (12:57:50 PM): for example
SabaNJ666 (12:58:00 PM): the hammerstein ballroom show, their comeback show, sponsored by Sirius
SabaNJ666 (12:58:09 PM): the staff, unable to wear thier XM t-shirts
SoupSoupAD (12:58:21 PM): the passion of opie and anthony?
SabaNJ666 (12:58:29 PM): yes
SoupSoupAD (12:58:44 PM): why couldnt they wear the shirts?
SabaNJ666 (12:58:52 PM): b/c it was a Sirius sponsored events
SabaNJ666 (12:58:56 PM): event
SoupSoupAD (12:58:58 PM): WTF
SoupSoupAD (12:59:05 PM): why have sirius sponsor it?
SoupSoupAD (12:59:09 PM): thats retarded
SabaNJ666 (12:59:27 PM): ball. dropped.
SabaNJ666 (12:59:33 PM): its more than that though
SoupSoupAD (12:59:35 PM): thats like a soda launch for pepsi sponsored by coke
SabaNJ666 (12:59:43 PM): look at the sirius home page
SoupSoupAD (12:59:58 PM): stern
SabaNJ666 (1:00:01 PM): howard stern for three straight weeks
SabaNJ666 (1:00:01 PM): HUGE
SabaNJ666 (1:00:09 PM): go to xmradio.com
SabaNJ666 (1:00:15 PM): O&A get a square
SabaNJ666 (1:00:34 PM): actually you cant right now, they're site is down...hmmf
SoupSoupAD (1:00:43 PM): do you think XM is hedging their bets?
SabaNJ666 (1:00:43 PM): im not saying xm wasn't the better choice
SabaNJ666 (1:00:44 PM): b/c it is
SoupSoupAD (1:01:01 PM): cause O&A arent exclusive to them
SabaNJ666 (1:01:09 PM): no I think XM is focusing on MLB and NFL and whatever package they KNOW will attract mass listeners
SabaNJ666 (1:01:15 PM): it's what i would do
SoupSoupAD (1:01:21 PM): it sounds like O&A have the ability to syndicate their show in other places outside of XM
SabaNJ666 (1:01:28 PM): you can't sell XM on the O&A name like you can with Howard's
SabaNJ666 (1:01:52 PM): my guess is, and this is MY guess, that they're using XM to segway back into network radio
SoupSoupAD (1:01:58 PM): do you think O&A will ever have an audience as large as Howard?
SabaNJ666 (1:02:04 PM): and take over Howard's place
SabaNJ666 (1:02:25 PM): not on XM
SoupSoupAD (1:02:30 PM): will they replace him on KROCK?
SabaNJ666 (1:02:39 PM): unlikely
SoupSoupAD (1:02:45 PM): why not?
SoupSoupAD (1:02:50 PM): cause of clear channel?
SabaNJ666 (1:03:04 PM): i just don't see it
SabaNJ666 (1:03:16 PM): this "return to FM" as they're billing it
SabaNJ666 (1:03:27 PM): one small station in a small market owned by a small company
SoupSoupAD (1:03:39 PM): simultaneously as they are on satellite?
SabaNJ666 (1:04:05 PM): no i believe its edited for content
SoupSoupAD (1:04:14 PM): right
SoupSoupAD (1:04:20 PM): ok, so taped
SoupSoupAD (1:04:45 PM): but you see them leaving eventually and coming back to FM?
SabaNJ666 (1:04:51 PM): in business, you try never to burn bridges
SabaNJ666 (1:04:54 PM): there's always a chance
SoupSoupAD (1:04:58 PM): you think stern has?
SabaNJ666 (1:05:16 PM): i just dont see inifnity making a stupid move and putting O&A in stern's old chair...
SoupSoupAD (1:05:18 PM): money talks though, and he can still make someone in FM very rich
SabaNJ666 (1:05:47 PM): the thing that bothers me
SabaNJ666 (1:05:52 PM): that nobody's really discussing
SabaNJ666 (1:06:00 PM): they're both getting old
SabaNJ666 (1:06:10 PM): O&A are in thier 40's, Stern is in thier fifties
SoupSoupAD (1:06:14 PM): true
SoupSoupAD (1:06:19 PM): whose next?
SabaNJ666 (1:06:23 PM): whatever short term moves they make, how much time do they really have left
SabaNJ666 (1:06:35 PM): i can't see O&A doing this well into thier fifities and sixties
SoupSoupAD (1:06:46 PM): theres nobody young out there is there?
SabaNJ666 (1:06:51 PM): and Stern, well you gotta retire sometime
SoupSoupAD (1:06:55 PM): not with any real buzz
SabaNJ666 (1:06:56 PM): not really
SabaNJ666 (1:07:16 PM): enjoy it while it last folks
SabaNJ666 (1:07:37 PM): we probably have another decade or so
SabaNJ666 (1:07:45 PM): if that much, if they don't fuck up royally
SoupSoupAD (1:07:53 PM): 3 more names
SoupSoupAD (1:07:59 PM): YMB
SabaNJ666 (1:08:32 PM): they almost had thier hands around the neck of greatness and they FUCKED it...you don't understand how I felt when the show tanked
SabaNJ666 (1:08:53 PM): YMB....pregnant
SabaNJ666 (1:08:59 PM): and congrats to them btw
SoupSoupAD (1:09:00 PM): ha
SoupSoupAD (1:09:08 PM): that leads me to my second name
SoupSoupAD (1:09:09 PM): alkey
SabaNJ666 (1:09:48 PM): big eared, monkey face putrid drunk with great seed
SoupSoupAD (1:09:51 PM): ha
SoupSoupAD (1:09:54 PM): and finally
SoupSoupAD (1:09:56 PM): spaz
SabaNJ666 (1:10:04 PM): who?
SoupSoupAD (1:10:09 PM): exactly
SabaNJ666 (1:10:31 PM): one more point if i may
SoupSoupAD (1:10:37 PM): of course
SabaNJ666 (1:11:45 PM): for all of those who disagree with how i run things or just plain hate my guts, feel free to tell me to my face
SabaNJ666 (1:12:20 PM): kinda pathetic to mock someone through backchannels
SoupSoupAD (1:12:22 PM): thats only right
SabaNJ666 (1:12:41 PM): just know it all comes back to me eventually
SoupSoupAD (1:12:52 PM): thats what oauncensored is for
SoupSoupAD (1:12:55 PM): dishing it all out
SoupSoupAD (1:12:59 PM): for all to see
SoupSoupAD (1:12:59 PM): ha
SabaNJ666 (1:13:03 PM): i know, i love it
SoupSoupAD (1:13:06 PM): glad you do
SoupSoupAD (1:13:12 PM): thanks so much jeff
SabaNJ666 (1:13:16 PM): im surprised nobody thought of it sooner
SoupSoupAD (1:13:16 PM): i really do appreciate the time
SoupSoupAD (1:13:25 PM): so am i
SabaNJ666 (1:13:33 PM): i'm a loser
SabaNJ666 (1:13:40 PM): i appreciate being worthy of an interview
SoupSoupAD (1:13:56 PM): well you are one of those names
SoupSoupAD (1:14:02 PM): for better or worse
SabaNJ666 (1:14:05 PM): indeed
SoupSoupAD (1:14:11 PM): take care im off to lunch
SoupSoupAD (1:14:14 PM): starving
SabaNJ666 (1:14:18 PM): can't wait to see how people respond to this one, lol
SabaNJ666 (1:14:20 PM): later
SoupSoupAD (1:14:21 PM): me too
SoupSoupAD (1:14:23 PM): later
SoupSoupAD (11:11:52 AM): yo
SabaNJ666 (11:11:59 AM): are you oauncensored@gmail?
SoupSoupAD (11:12:04 AM): yes
SabaNJ666 (11:12:10 AM): u get my mail/
SoupSoupAD (11:12:19 AM): i havent checked it lately
SabaNJ666 (11:12:39 AM): i said if you ever wanted to do an interview let me know
SabaNJ666 (11:12:43 AM): with me that is
SoupSoupAD (11:12:48 AM): cool
SoupSoupAD (11:12:55 AM): im definitely interested
SoupSoupAD (11:13:00 AM): when would you have time?
SabaNJ666 (11:13:10 AM): whenever
SoupSoupAD (11:13:20 AM): how about right now?
SabaNJ666 (11:13:25 AM): ive been there through all of this crap
SabaNJ666 (11:13:37 AM): since pretty much the beginning
SoupSoupAD (11:13:40 AM): i know
SoupSoupAD (11:13:51 AM): ive been trying to get ahold of you for one
SabaNJ666 (11:14:13 AM): do you need to switch screennames?
SoupSoupAD (11:14:15 AM): no
SabaNJ666 (11:14:22 AM): ok well fire away
SabaNJ666 (11:14:39 AM): and don't hold back, i don't care
SoupSoupAD (11:14:47 AM): excellent
SoupSoupAD (11:14:55 AM): alright, id like to start at the very beginning
SabaNJ666 (11:15:14 AM): a good place
SoupSoupAD (11:15:18 AM): when did you first start listening to opie and anthony
SabaNJ666 (11:15:37 AM): who can say exactely
SabaNJ666 (11:15:56 AM): i remember steve was still running foundrymusic.com himself
SabaNJ666 (11:16:19 AM): the site was all updated by hand, all of it
SabaNJ666 (11:16:52 AM): lemme check wayback
SoupSoupAD (11:17:03 AM): this was back in 1999?
SoupSoupAD (11:17:07 AM): i think?
SabaNJ666 (11:17:13 AM): sounds right
SoupSoupAD (11:17:26 AM): what were you doing with yourself back then?
SabaNJ666 (11:18:04 AM): pretty much what i do nowadays, masturbating and web design
SoupSoupAD (11:18:20 AM): a match made in heaven
SabaNJ666 (11:18:36 AM): or masturbating while web designing
SabaNJ666 (11:18:39 AM): or masturbating to my web designs
SoupSoupAD (11:18:47 AM): how did you come to be a part of foundry music?
SabaNJ666 (11:19:11 AM): i reached out to Steve actually
SabaNJ666 (11:19:40 AM): there was definately more he could be doing with the site
SabaNJ666 (11:19:57 AM): and you could tell from looking at it that he barely knew what he was doing
SoupSoupAD (11:20:14 AM): was it still focused on his band at that point or was it pretty much the O&A fansite?
SabaNJ666 (11:21:21 AM): late 80's metal, underground music and O&A
SabaNJ666 (11:21:35 AM): Steve just can't let RATT die
SoupSoupAD (11:21:40 AM): haaa
SoupSoupAD (11:21:42 AM): it shows
SabaNJ666 (11:22:23 AM): i do admit i take a guilty pleasure in seeing how some of these rock icons turned out
SoupSoupAD (11:22:27 AM): as do i
SoupSoupAD (11:22:34 AM): im addicted to behind the music
SabaNJ666 (11:22:38 AM): i mean, these guys commanded women
SabaNJ666 (11:23:12 AM): now women change their bed pans
SoupSoupAD (11:23:23 AM): awful, and sad
SabaNJ666 (11:23:29 AM): and hilarious
SoupSoupAD (11:23:38 AM): all in one
SoupSoupAD (11:24:02 AM): at what point did you become involved in the message boards?
SabaNJ666 (11:24:42 AM): which specifically?
SoupSoupAD (11:24:52 AM): any
SoupSoupAD (11:24:56 AM): the first one
SabaNJ666 (11:24:57 AM): the O&A ones or the Ron & Fez ones?
SoupSoupAD (11:24:58 AM): actually
SoupSoupAD (11:25:16 AM): the first board you were involved with, which was it?
SabaNJ666 (11:25:21 AM): opieanthony.com
SabaNJ666 (11:25:40 AM): like many, my interest was piqued right around when bang party broke
SoupSoupAD (11:26:35 AM): were you involved in bang party at all?
SabaNJ666 (11:26:45 AM): no
SoupSoupAD (11:27:05 AM): do you think it was bad for the board?
SabaNJ666 (11:27:17 AM): anyone who says yes is lying
SoupSoupAD (11:27:41 AM): well, seph seems to think real life drama kills message boards
SabaNJ666 (11:27:43 AM): if anything, it put it "on the map"
SoupSoupAD (11:27:51 AM): i agree
SabaNJ666 (11:28:09 AM): if its managed properly, there shouldn't be a problem
SabaNJ666 (11:28:17 AM): bad management kills message boards
SoupSoupAD (11:28:40 AM): do you think froy managed the situation badly?
SoupSoupAD (11:28:57 AM): poorly rather
SabaNJ666 (11:28:59 AM): i think froy was too concerned trying to turn a buck than navigating the egos of his staff and members
SoupSoupAD (11:29:25 AM): which he did, making over 3,000 at one of his parties
SabaNJ666 (11:29:45 AM): i don't put it past him
SoupSoupAD (11:29:48 AM): which is fine, but he played like he wasnt trying to profit from the site, just pay the bills
SoupSoupAD (11:30:05 AM): turns out the bill was like $100 a month
SabaNJ666 (11:30:30 AM): that's kind of one sided though
SabaNJ666 (11:31:04 AM): some of the blame i think also falls on the fools who forked over $20 to attend a party
SabaNJ666 (11:31:08 AM): for a message board
SoupSoupAD (11:31:12 AM): yes
SoupSoupAD (11:31:28 AM): morons
SabaNJ666 (11:31:46 AM): what did you actually get for that $20, does anyone know?
SabaNJ666 (11:31:53 AM): open bar? food?
SoupSoupAD (11:33:01 AM): i didnt go
SoupSoupAD (11:33:03 AM): im not sure
SoupSoupAD (11:33:18 AM): ill have to find out though, thats my job
SoupSoupAD (11:33:19 AM): ha
SabaNJ666 (11:33:22 AM): well you're a smart guy
SoupSoupAD (11:33:44 AM): well we know it sure didnt cost 3,000 to throw
SabaNJ666 (11:33:59 AM): that's kind of when i came on board officially
SabaNJ666 (11:34:17 AM): although i might have the dates mixed up
SoupSoupAD (11:34:19 AM): what was froys relationship like with foundry?
SoupSoupAD (11:34:33 AM): do you think he needed you more than you needed him or the other way around?
SabaNJ666 (11:34:34 AM): all i know was I had the software to bail him out of his bandwidth woes
SabaNJ666 (11:35:12 AM): i never needed Froy
SabaNJ666 (11:36:01 AM): my contributions to the board were for the show, not him
SoupSoupAD (11:36:57 AM): did you enjoy the board or was it a hostile thing?
SabaNJ666 (11:37:05 AM): I enjoyed it b/c it was hostile
SabaNJ666 (11:37:29 AM): verbal brutality is very entertaining when its done right
SoupSoupAD (11:37:35 AM): you liked the back and forth?
SoupSoupAD (11:37:39 AM): the verbal jousting
SabaNJ666 (11:37:57 AM): of course
SoupSoupAD (11:38:05 AM): do you think thats lacking now at wackbag?
SoupSoupAD (11:38:21 AM): are they trying too hard to be nice?
SoupSoupAD (11:38:37 AM): or "clean"
SabaNJ666 (11:38:51 AM): i see wackbag and opieanthony.net as two entirely different entities serving two different needs
SabaNJ666 (11:39:12 AM): one serves the show and criticizes the show
SabaNJ666 (11:39:24 AM): one serves the show and one criticizes the show
SoupSoupAD (11:39:54 AM): cant one board do both?
SabaNJ666 (11:40:06 AM): i don't see how
SabaNJ666 (11:40:43 AM): oa.net prides itself on being able to harshly criticize the show, regardless of how O&A or the fans react to the criticism
SabaNJ666 (11:41:16 AM): i think we need that
SabaNJ666 (11:41:32 AM): wackbag is a more comfortable environment
SabaNJ666 (11:41:44 AM): and some people need that
SoupSoupAD (11:42:29 AM): do you feel like sometimes wackbag is just kissing ass to become part of the show?
SoupSoupAD (11:42:38 AM): like they are insincere
SabaNJ666 (11:44:22 AM): hard to say really, although from what i'm reading in your forum it's probably a good idea to stay out of O&A's crosshairs
SoupSoupAD (11:45:05 AM): i think they're trying to avoid Anthony's crosshairs
SoupSoupAD (11:45:05 AM): ha
SabaNJ666 (11:45:26 AM): i mean the buck stops with Stingray
SoupSoupAD (11:45:36 AM): yeah and he has that froy mentality
SoupSoupAD (11:45:45 AM): he wants badly to be in with the show
SoupSoupAD (11:46:02 AM): he paid to be in the studio during the 55 gallon drum challenge
SabaNJ666 (11:46:15 AM): it was quite a sight to see
SoupSoupAD (11:46:37 AM): yeah but $500? that borders on pathetic stalker fan
SabaNJ666 (11:46:49 AM): really?
SoupSoupAD (11:47:08 AM): yes and he denies it now, despite the fact its right in his own message board archives
SoupSoupAD (11:47:18 AM): during his battle with sean
SabaNJ666 (11:47:38 AM): if that's true, it's pretty sad
SoupSoupAD (11:47:53 AM): he shows up to everything
SoupSoupAD (11:48:01 AM): opie even said it during cherry darts
SoupSoupAD (11:48:14 AM): "look at this guy"
SoupSoupAD (11:48:19 AM): "he shows up to everything"
SabaNJ666 (11:49:28 AM): i mean i don't see the problem with wanting to be part of the show
SoupSoupAD (11:50:04 AM): not at all
SabaNJ666 (11:50:05 AM): it's a really fun, creative environment to be around
SoupSoupAD (11:50:11 AM): but thats borderline stalkerdom
SabaNJ666 (11:50:34 AM): maybe he's just bored and has a lot of free time
SabaNJ666 (11:50:50 AM): is he rich? I mean $500...
SoupSoupAD (11:50:56 AM): i don't think so
SoupSoupAD (11:51:07 AM): he lives in the bronx, i believe he does construction
SabaNJ666 (11:51:39 AM): i mean who can say what his motives are
SoupSoupAD (11:52:05 AM): only he knows really, and he is pretty tight lipped
SabaNJ666 (11:53:16 AM): i never understood the hatred between the two boards
SoupSoupAD (11:53:54 AM): well i think .net feels like the show doesnt appreciate them cause they dont kiss ass like wackbag
SoupSoupAD (11:54:00 AM): for example
SabaNJ666 (11:54:09 AM): oh i guarantee that's the case
SoupSoupAD (11:54:12 AM): today diab called the show
SoupSoupAD (11:54:20 AM): he had talked to opie before about this contest
SoupSoupAD (11:54:32 AM): to raffle off XM gift certs
SoupSoupAD (11:54:46 AM): anyone could buy a ticket and all the money went to the gift cert
SoupSoupAD (11:55:11 AM): opie liked the idea, told diab so in email
SoupSoupAD (11:55:31 AM): so he calls in today and tells the intern who he is and that he has spoken to opie, etc...
SoupSoupAD (11:55:42 AM): then he asked what board he ran
SoupSoupAD (11:55:45 AM): and they hung up
SoupSoupAD (11:56:07 AM): its not really opie or anthony
SabaNJ666 (11:56:09 AM): did he call back?
SoupSoupAD (11:56:28 AM): its someone in their office i guess that doesnt like .net
SabaNJ666 (11:56:37 AM): that could be the intern, not O&A
SoupSoupAD (11:56:40 AM): no, he said he would call again tomorrow
SoupSoupAD (11:56:43 AM): yes, thats what i said
SoupSoupAD (11:57:00 AM): he said he was too pissed to call back today and didnt want to say something he would regret
SabaNJ666 (11:57:51 AM): well, that's not the strongest example of not being appreciated
SoupSoupAD (11:58:07 AM): i think .net totally appreciates the link on opieanthony.com
SoupSoupAD (11:58:30 AM): and O&A do plug the board here and there
SoupSoupAD (11:58:43 AM): they never have had anything bad to say at all about the board
SabaNJ666 (11:59:14 AM): you're kind of arguing against your point
SoupSoupAD (11:59:46 AM): my point is why do you feel they feel unappreciated?
SabaNJ666 (11:59:56 AM): who can say
SabaNJ666 (12:00:26 PM): some people keep tallies on how often thier mentioned
SoupSoupAD (12:00:33 PM): thats lame
SabaNJ666 (12:00:55 PM): look nobody enjoys being criticized, its ego bruising
SabaNJ666 (12:01:16 PM): especially creative guys like O&A
SabaNJ666 (12:01:32 PM): just recently you posted an exchange between Diab and I regarding the chat room
SabaNJ666 (12:01:54 PM): and how Anthony exploded in response to the suggestion by a guy in my chat room that the topic at hand was boring and they should move on
SabaNJ666 (12:02:06 PM): perfect example
SoupSoupAD (12:02:09 PM): true
SoupSoupAD (12:02:28 PM): one person spoils it for everyone
SabaNJ666 (12:03:04 PM): well that's a completely different conversation, but what im tryign to say is their inability to handle criticism at times is just human nature
SoupSoupAD (12:03:22 PM): do you think its hypocritical to be so sensitive about things said about you when you do a cringe radio show?
SoupSoupAD (12:03:36 PM): i mean they abused the shit out of people on the show
SoupSoupAD (12:03:45 PM): shouldnt they have thicker skins?
SoupSoupAD (12:03:54 PM): isnt that what they ride howard about?
SabaNJ666 (12:04:40 PM): the thing people don't understand
SabaNJ666 (12:04:47 PM): is there are no absolutes when it comes to personality
SabaNJ666 (12:05:43 PM): everyone has thier moments of weakness, you can always catch someone doing something contrary to thier usual behavior
SabaNJ666 (12:06:05 PM): O&A have learned to exploit Stern's moments of weakness
SabaNJ666 (12:06:13 PM): but really they're just catching him on off days
SabaNJ666 (12:07:01 PM): i've listened to Howard Stern destroy people on the air
SabaNJ666 (12:07:37 PM): but you catch him on the right day, and yeah he'll kick you out of his press conference...maybe he just does't want to deal with you
SabaNJ666 (12:07:54 PM): and who knows the true and complete back story to some of these claims O&A makes sometimes
SoupSoupAD (12:07:58 PM): and he gets reamed by O&A for that
SoupSoupAD (12:08:07 PM): as he should
SoupSoupAD (12:08:20 PM): yeah we only hear so much
SabaNJ666 (12:08:27 PM): i mean, do people honestly believe O&A went to a press conference to just check him out
SoupSoupAD (12:08:45 PM): of course not, they wanted to push his buttons
SabaNJ666 (12:08:53 PM): no, they were there to make headlines...O&A and Stern in the same room..maybe O&A were gonna shout something out...confront him in front of the media...
SoupSoupAD (12:08:53 PM): the same way they get him to mention them on air
SoupSoupAD (12:08:59 PM): playing into their hands
SabaNJ666 (12:09:12 PM): he denied them thier media exposure
SabaNJ666 (12:09:28 PM): so instead of the nation talking about it, O&A get to talk about it on thier show to thier fans
SabaNJ666 (12:09:32 PM): who really won there?
SoupSoupAD (12:09:34 PM): did couldnt expect him to allow them to be there
SoupSoupAD (12:09:39 PM): they couldnt rather
SoupSoupAD (12:09:49 PM): they were trying to steal his thunder
SabaNJ666 (12:09:54 PM): and failed
SabaNJ666 (12:10:13 PM): so all that was left was to criticise Howard's "cowardess" in that regard
SabaNJ666 (12:10:16 PM): which is silly
SabaNJ666 (12:10:26 PM): so when it comes to hypocrisy
SoupSoupAD (12:10:34 PM): they may have done the same if they had the power
SabaNJ666 (12:10:40 PM): and cringe jocks being unable to take cringe criticism
SabaNJ666 (12:11:04 PM): yeah it happens, they're just as flawed as we are
SabaNJ666 (12:11:19 PM): may have? that's how you play the game at that level
SoupSoupAD (12:12:00 PM): its funny though how they both contradict themselves, about the very things they criticize each other about
SabaNJ666 (12:12:15 PM): oh i know its a mess
SabaNJ666 (12:12:25 PM): i think they're show is at its weakest when they do that
SoupSoupAD (12:12:40 PM): telling stern that he shouldnt have made enemies with infinity
SabaNJ666 (12:12:56 PM): fighting with other shows...
SoupSoupAD (12:13:01 PM): when O&A know full well they had the same fights with management
SoupSoupAD (12:13:06 PM): over content
SabaNJ666 (12:13:26 PM): there's nothing creative about that, its easy to do the hoo hoo jokes...
SoupSoupAD (12:14:02 PM): ron and fez were great at poking fun at both of them
SabaNJ666 (12:14:09 PM): as they should
SoupSoupAD (12:14:10 PM): showing how ridiculous they both were
SoupSoupAD (12:14:24 PM): i think new york really missed out on them
SabaNJ666 (12:14:35 PM): let's get back to the uncensored stuff, cause this is stuff everyone talks about
SoupSoupAD (12:14:36 PM): they could have been something special in ny radio
SoupSoupAD (12:14:55 PM): true, we digress
SoupSoupAD (12:15:26 PM): lets play word association
SoupSoupAD (12:15:45 PM): ill give you a name or word and you give me the first thought that comes to mind
SoupSoupAD (12:15:56 PM): you can expound if you like but dont think too hard
SoupSoupAD (12:16:02 PM): gonzostyle
SabaNJ666 (12:16:20 PM): two-faced
SoupSoupAD (12:16:28 PM): how so?
SabaNJ666 (12:17:43 PM): like every other two-faced person in this world
SoupSoupAD (12:17:50 PM): what did he do?
SabaNJ666 (12:18:32 PM): never knew where i stood with that guy
SoupSoupAD (12:18:59 PM): can you relate a specific incident that led you to that feeling?
SabaNJ666 (12:19:14 PM): we had no problem at the parties, but whenever it came to the board, he was one of my more vocal naysayers
SabaNJ666 (12:19:58 PM): i know for a fact none of the mods were happy with how i became a mod
SabaNJ666 (12:20:12 PM): or admin rather
SoupSoupAD (12:20:30 PM): why?
SoupSoupAD (12:20:56 PM): you think they felt like they put some time into the board and you just kind of walked in?
SabaNJ666 (12:21:08 PM): exactely it
SabaNJ666 (12:21:33 PM): who knows where that board would've been if i had not
SabaNJ666 (12:21:46 PM): offline probably
SoupSoupAD (12:21:51 PM): was it in that bad of shape?
SabaNJ666 (12:22:05 PM): it was clear the bills were more than froy could handle
SabaNJ666 (12:22:14 PM): even if they were small
SoupSoupAD (12:22:33 PM): foundry came in and hosted it as well, right?
SabaNJ666 (12:22:39 PM): well the company that hosted foundry
SoupSoupAD (12:22:59 PM): getting them a better deal and more efficient software you coded?
SabaNJ666 (12:23:00 PM): for free might i add
SoupSoupAD (12:23:24 PM): so he was paying nothing to have it hosted with them?
SabaNJ666 (12:23:42 PM): if he was paying anything, it was negligible
SoupSoupAD (12:24:13 PM): sean cold
SoupSoupAD (12:24:21 PM): (back to word association)
SabaNJ666 (12:24:29 PM): gentle thor
SoupSoupAD (12:24:36 PM): ha
SabaNJ666 (12:24:42 PM): i miss that guy
SoupSoupAD (12:25:06 PM): do you disagree with gooch and gonzos assesement that he "played sides" with people?
SoupSoupAD (12:25:28 PM): he would bash froy and at the same time be nice to him in person
SabaNJ666 (12:25:50 PM): again, nobody's consistent, its impossible
SoupSoupAD (12:26:11 PM): but you fault gonzo more than sean for being two faced?
SabaNJ666 (12:26:28 PM): in the context of a party when everyone's just trying to have a good time, it takes a special kind of someone to be the hardass ruining the night
SabaNJ666 (12:26:59 PM): sean consistently mocked me, but it was the kind of mocking guys do in jest
SabaNJ666 (12:27:07 PM): gonzo, i feel, just didn't like me period
SoupSoupAD (12:27:13 PM): a ballbuster
SabaNJ666 (12:27:22 PM): which made his dubiousness that much more insulting
SoupSoupAD (12:27:30 PM): i understand
SoupSoupAD (12:27:47 PM): gooch
SabaNJ666 (12:28:05 PM): Smartass
SabaNJ666 (12:28:11 PM): we never really got along
SoupSoupAD (12:28:33 PM): why not?
SabaNJ666 (12:28:54 PM): he was one of many who couldn't accept me as a walk-in admin
SabaNJ666 (12:30:11 PM): took whatever he needed from my posts to support his feelings toward me and never really bothered to get to know me
SoupSoupAD (12:30:42 PM): OTL
SabaNJ666 (12:30:59 PM): waste
SabaNJ666 (12:31:13 PM): un-focused, poorly executed piece of garbage
SabaNJ666 (12:31:47 PM): i knew it too, right from the start, which is why i opted for the one-time lump sum
SabaNJ666 (12:32:08 PM): i remember meeting with Froy and his entepreneurial staff at the WWE restaurant
SoupSoupAD (12:32:21 PM): ha
SabaNJ666 (12:32:32 PM): listened to him pitch the idea, i smelled that stinker a mile away
SoupSoupAD (12:32:44 PM): he didnt pay either, did he?
SoupSoupAD (12:32:50 PM): for lunch that is
SabaNJ666 (12:32:58 PM): no i don't think so
SoupSoupAD (12:33:03 PM): is it true it was originally just jon's idea and froy pushed him out?
SabaNJ666 (12:33:38 PM): i don't know, i came in at the end
SabaNJ666 (12:34:10 PM): that being said, if i was jon, i wouldn't want my name attached to it
SoupSoupAD (12:34:20 PM): true
SoupSoupAD (12:34:25 PM): and just jon
SabaNJ666 (12:34:47 PM): what limit was it actually over?
SoupSoupAD (12:34:49 PM): unless you wanted to further expand on your thoughts about OTL
SoupSoupAD (12:34:52 PM): ha
SoupSoupAD (12:35:06 PM): it was an awful attempt at a E/N site
SoupSoupAD (12:35:17 PM): geared to horny men
SabaNJ666 (12:35:39 PM): he would've made more money just focusing on the girls
SoupSoupAD (12:35:41 PM): yes
SabaNJ666 (12:35:44 PM): instead of original content
SoupSoupAD (12:35:48 PM): that was the only reason i went there
SoupSoupAD (12:35:49 PM): ha
SoupSoupAD (12:36:03 PM): he should have just built a porn site really
SabaNJ666 (12:36:47 PM): you build a site with the user in mind
SoupSoupAD (12:36:58 PM): unless you have serious backing or some amazing viral marketing, its real hard to build an entertainment site that makes money
SabaNJ666 (12:37:19 PM): i guess in froy's mind, the user was supposed to jerk off to teen girls and take in a witty article when they were done
SoupSoupAD (12:37:25 PM): ha
SabaNJ666 (12:37:40 PM): it made no sense
SabaNJ666 (12:38:39 PM): and the "girl next door" section? girl next door? that's an original marketing angle
SoupSoupAD (12:38:48 PM): do you sometimes think foundry tries to cater to too many interests?
SabaNJ666 (12:38:52 PM): yes
SoupSoupAD (12:39:03 PM): gets a little overwhelming
SabaNJ666 (12:39:09 PM): not really
SabaNJ666 (12:39:15 PM): we've condensed a lot
SabaNJ666 (12:39:27 PM): believe you me....unfortunately O&A is not enough to sustain a site
SabaNJ666 (12:39:55 PM): believe or not a significant amount of our traffic comes from our music content
SoupSoupAD (12:40:04 PM): did you think froy was trying to create his own foundry?
SoupSoupAD (12:40:26 PM): using his board as a funnel for traffic to it
SabaNJ666 (12:40:40 PM): i'm not exactely sure what he was trying to create
SoupSoupAD (12:40:52 PM): whats he up to these days?
SoupSoupAD (12:41:02 PM): someone hacked the shit out of OTL
SabaNJ666 (12:41:52 PM): from last i heard he was working on sexyshayna.com
SoupSoupAD (12:41:58 PM): she bailed
SoupSoupAD (12:42:05 PM): check the site
SabaNJ666 (12:42:34 PM): good she's busted anyway
SoupSoupAD (12:42:41 PM): ha
SoupSoupAD (12:42:44 PM): miss bear
SoupSoupAD (12:42:46 PM): AWFUL
SoupSoupAD (12:42:53 PM): speaking of which
SoupSoupAD (12:42:54 PM): lent
SabaNJ666 (12:43:17 PM): miss bear, oof...i haven't seen ribs like that since the meat boxing scene in rocky
SoupSoupAD (12:43:28 PM): haaaaaaaaaa
SabaNJ666 (12:44:16 PM): lent i don't even remember that well
SabaNJ666 (12:44:22 PM): he probably didn't like me
SabaNJ666 (12:44:26 PM): none of them did
SoupSoupAD (12:44:27 PM): does froy shoot those girls?
SoupSoupAD (12:44:39 PM): or buy from a content provider
SabaNJ666 (12:44:54 PM): i think he knows them
SoupSoupAD (12:45:55 PM): he never get that horse faced katylina to pose, thankfully
SabaNJ666 (12:46:04 PM): i remember it getting to the point where everyone hated me so much i just wanted my board software back...froy said he would sue me if i touched it
SoupSoupAD (12:46:21 PM): sue you?
SoupSoupAD (12:46:34 PM): doesnt he live with his mom?
SabaNJ666 (12:46:44 PM): yeah for damages related to loss income to OTL
SoupSoupAD (12:46:51 PM): ugh
SoupSoupAD (12:47:19 PM): couple more names and then ill wrap this up
SoupSoupAD (12:47:35 PM): opie
SabaNJ666 (12:48:00 PM): business
SoupSoupAD (12:48:03 PM): anthony
SabaNJ666 (12:48:51 PM): brilliant
SoupSoupAD (12:48:54 PM): ben
SabaNJ666 (12:49:03 PM): loyal
SoupSoupAD (12:49:11 PM): rick
SabaNJ666 (12:50:12 PM): hmm
SabaNJ666 (12:50:23 PM): tough one
SabaNJ666 (12:50:54 PM): career-driven
SabaNJ666 (12:50:59 PM): that's dumb but accurate
SoupSoupAD (12:51:16 PM): is he completely done with O&A?
SabaNJ666 (12:51:19 PM): yes
SoupSoupAD (12:51:30 PM): he's on some awful station now, isnt he?
SabaNJ666 (12:51:30 PM): so much so that i had to remove his image from all marketing and web materials
SabaNJ666 (12:51:45 PM): producing a show on hot 97 i believe
SoupSoupAD (12:51:55 PM): haaaa
SabaNJ666 (12:52:16 PM): from what i heard he had a rather big head
SoupSoupAD (12:52:33 PM): cause he was their producer?
SabaNJ666 (12:52:46 PM): that and i guess it was just his personality
SabaNJ666 (12:53:28 PM): although i will say the show was better during his tenure
SoupSoupAD (12:53:41 PM): you think ben is a poor producer?
SabaNJ666 (12:54:00 PM): he's a hard worker but i don't think he's a shark
SoupSoupAD (12:54:15 PM): and rick was?
SabaNJ666 (12:54:16 PM): rick was a shark
SoupSoupAD (12:54:21 PM): how so?
SabaNJ666 (12:54:54 PM): the quality of the guests
SabaNJ666 (12:54:56 PM): of the girls
SabaNJ666 (12:55:44 PM): i don't know, show just seems weaker, but i can't tell if that's just b/c they've been out of it for so long
SabaNJ666 (12:55:56 PM): or the production staff
SabaNJ666 (12:55:59 PM): i know they all work thier asses off
SoupSoupAD (12:56:08 PM): maybe they need to build up some steam
SoupSoupAD (12:56:27 PM): get a foothold
SabaNJ666 (12:56:47 PM): from a web perspective they're probably the best represented show on the internet
SoupSoupAD (12:56:48 PM): i think XM needs to help them more as well
SabaNJ666 (12:57:00 PM): i mean that's covered 100% in every regard except for live video streaming
SoupSoupAD (12:57:06 PM): yes, their strong point is their viral marketing
SabaNJ666 (12:57:21 PM): XM's marketing dept dropped the ball
SabaNJ666 (12:57:29 PM): awful
SabaNJ666 (12:57:50 PM): for example
SabaNJ666 (12:58:00 PM): the hammerstein ballroom show, their comeback show, sponsored by Sirius
SabaNJ666 (12:58:09 PM): the staff, unable to wear thier XM t-shirts
SoupSoupAD (12:58:21 PM): the passion of opie and anthony?
SabaNJ666 (12:58:29 PM): yes
SoupSoupAD (12:58:44 PM): why couldnt they wear the shirts?
SabaNJ666 (12:58:52 PM): b/c it was a Sirius sponsored events
SabaNJ666 (12:58:56 PM): event
SoupSoupAD (12:58:58 PM): WTF
SoupSoupAD (12:59:05 PM): why have sirius sponsor it?
SoupSoupAD (12:59:09 PM): thats retarded
SabaNJ666 (12:59:27 PM): ball. dropped.
SabaNJ666 (12:59:33 PM): its more than that though
SoupSoupAD (12:59:35 PM): thats like a soda launch for pepsi sponsored by coke
SabaNJ666 (12:59:43 PM): look at the sirius home page
SoupSoupAD (12:59:58 PM): stern
SabaNJ666 (1:00:01 PM): howard stern for three straight weeks
SabaNJ666 (1:00:01 PM): HUGE
SabaNJ666 (1:00:09 PM): go to xmradio.com
SabaNJ666 (1:00:15 PM): O&A get a square
SabaNJ666 (1:00:34 PM): actually you cant right now, they're site is down...hmmf
SoupSoupAD (1:00:43 PM): do you think XM is hedging their bets?
SabaNJ666 (1:00:43 PM): im not saying xm wasn't the better choice
SabaNJ666 (1:00:44 PM): b/c it is
SoupSoupAD (1:01:01 PM): cause O&A arent exclusive to them
SabaNJ666 (1:01:09 PM): no I think XM is focusing on MLB and NFL and whatever package they KNOW will attract mass listeners
SabaNJ666 (1:01:15 PM): it's what i would do
SoupSoupAD (1:01:21 PM): it sounds like O&A have the ability to syndicate their show in other places outside of XM
SabaNJ666 (1:01:28 PM): you can't sell XM on the O&A name like you can with Howard's
SabaNJ666 (1:01:52 PM): my guess is, and this is MY guess, that they're using XM to segway back into network radio
SoupSoupAD (1:01:58 PM): do you think O&A will ever have an audience as large as Howard?
SabaNJ666 (1:02:04 PM): and take over Howard's place
SabaNJ666 (1:02:25 PM): not on XM
SoupSoupAD (1:02:30 PM): will they replace him on KROCK?
SabaNJ666 (1:02:39 PM): unlikely
SoupSoupAD (1:02:45 PM): why not?
SoupSoupAD (1:02:50 PM): cause of clear channel?
SabaNJ666 (1:03:04 PM): i just don't see it
SabaNJ666 (1:03:16 PM): this "return to FM" as they're billing it
SabaNJ666 (1:03:27 PM): one small station in a small market owned by a small company
SoupSoupAD (1:03:39 PM): simultaneously as they are on satellite?
SabaNJ666 (1:04:05 PM): no i believe its edited for content
SoupSoupAD (1:04:14 PM): right
SoupSoupAD (1:04:20 PM): ok, so taped
SoupSoupAD (1:04:45 PM): but you see them leaving eventually and coming back to FM?
SabaNJ666 (1:04:51 PM): in business, you try never to burn bridges
SabaNJ666 (1:04:54 PM): there's always a chance
SoupSoupAD (1:04:58 PM): you think stern has?
SabaNJ666 (1:05:16 PM): i just dont see inifnity making a stupid move and putting O&A in stern's old chair...
SoupSoupAD (1:05:18 PM): money talks though, and he can still make someone in FM very rich
SabaNJ666 (1:05:47 PM): the thing that bothers me
SabaNJ666 (1:05:52 PM): that nobody's really discussing
SabaNJ666 (1:06:00 PM): they're both getting old
SabaNJ666 (1:06:10 PM): O&A are in thier 40's, Stern is in thier fifties
SoupSoupAD (1:06:14 PM): true
SoupSoupAD (1:06:19 PM): whose next?
SabaNJ666 (1:06:23 PM): whatever short term moves they make, how much time do they really have left
SabaNJ666 (1:06:35 PM): i can't see O&A doing this well into thier fifities and sixties
SoupSoupAD (1:06:46 PM): theres nobody young out there is there?
SabaNJ666 (1:06:51 PM): and Stern, well you gotta retire sometime
SoupSoupAD (1:06:55 PM): not with any real buzz
SabaNJ666 (1:06:56 PM): not really
SabaNJ666 (1:07:16 PM): enjoy it while it last folks
SabaNJ666 (1:07:37 PM): we probably have another decade or so
SabaNJ666 (1:07:45 PM): if that much, if they don't fuck up royally
SoupSoupAD (1:07:53 PM): 3 more names
SoupSoupAD (1:07:59 PM): YMB
SabaNJ666 (1:08:32 PM): they almost had thier hands around the neck of greatness and they FUCKED it...you don't understand how I felt when the show tanked
SabaNJ666 (1:08:53 PM): YMB....pregnant
SabaNJ666 (1:08:59 PM): and congrats to them btw
SoupSoupAD (1:09:00 PM): ha
SoupSoupAD (1:09:08 PM): that leads me to my second name
SoupSoupAD (1:09:09 PM): alkey
SabaNJ666 (1:09:48 PM): big eared, monkey face putrid drunk with great seed
SoupSoupAD (1:09:51 PM): ha
SoupSoupAD (1:09:54 PM): and finally
SoupSoupAD (1:09:56 PM): spaz
SabaNJ666 (1:10:04 PM): who?
SoupSoupAD (1:10:09 PM): exactly
SabaNJ666 (1:10:31 PM): one more point if i may
SoupSoupAD (1:10:37 PM): of course
SabaNJ666 (1:11:45 PM): for all of those who disagree with how i run things or just plain hate my guts, feel free to tell me to my face
SabaNJ666 (1:12:20 PM): kinda pathetic to mock someone through backchannels
SoupSoupAD (1:12:22 PM): thats only right
SabaNJ666 (1:12:41 PM): just know it all comes back to me eventually
SoupSoupAD (1:12:52 PM): thats what oauncensored is for
SoupSoupAD (1:12:55 PM): dishing it all out
SoupSoupAD (1:12:59 PM): for all to see
SoupSoupAD (1:12:59 PM): ha
SabaNJ666 (1:13:03 PM): i know, i love it
SoupSoupAD (1:13:06 PM): glad you do
SoupSoupAD (1:13:12 PM): thanks so much jeff
SabaNJ666 (1:13:16 PM): im surprised nobody thought of it sooner
SoupSoupAD (1:13:16 PM): i really do appreciate the time
SoupSoupAD (1:13:25 PM): so am i
SabaNJ666 (1:13:33 PM): i'm a loser
SabaNJ666 (1:13:40 PM): i appreciate being worthy of an interview
SoupSoupAD (1:13:56 PM): well you are one of those names
SoupSoupAD (1:14:02 PM): for better or worse
SabaNJ666 (1:14:05 PM): indeed
SoupSoupAD (1:14:11 PM): take care im off to lunch
SoupSoupAD (1:14:14 PM): starving
SabaNJ666 (1:14:18 PM): can't wait to see how people respond to this one, lol
SabaNJ666 (1:14:20 PM): later
SoupSoupAD (1:14:21 PM): me too
SoupSoupAD (1:14:23 PM): later
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