Habeas Corpus....

[Gooch]

and other lost rights.


Discuss.




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[GonzoStyle]

and..... GO!!!

[Goatweed]

I cant do the Youtube at work, what happened?

[GonzoStyle]

you're kidding, right?

[Galt]

George Bush officially became a dictator last week.

[GonzoStyle]

so how long before we start building camps for all the aye-rabs?

[Galt]

Honestly though, I am torn. I don't know who I can't stand more. Either O'Reilly for bringing guests on that disagree with him, just so he can shout at them, or for Olberman who only brings guests on that agree with him and therefore never challenge any of his crybaby exaggerated leaps of logic.

[Ken'sPen]

crybaby exaggerated leaps of logic.

indeed......
you gotta be spry to make the jumps here.

[GonzoStyle]

Olberman is a good man, granted he does make some accusations that may be a bit of a leap but then again look at what we're dealing with. Nothing can be taken for granted as being "silly" anymore.

[Goatweed]

I cant do the Youtube at work, what happened?

no, I'm serious - Youtube is awful on the dialup & they block it on the Broadband connection - what did GW do now?

[GonzoStyle]

Do you have any clue what is going on in the world? Did you hear about the planes that hit the pentagon and world trade center towers?

[GonzoStyle]

For Goat

Los Angeles Times
Oct. 18, 2006 12:00 AM


WASHINGTON - The military-tribunals bill signed by President Bush on Tuesday marks the first time the right of habeas corpus has been curtailed by law for millions of people in the United States.

Although the debate about the law focused on trials at Guantanamo Bay, it also takes away the right to go to court for immigrants and non-citizens in the United States, including more than 12 million permanent residents, if they are declared "unlawful enemy combatants."

No one has suggested the Bush administration plans to use its newly won power to round up large numbers of immigrants. advertisement




But before Tuesday, the principle of habeas corpus meant that anyone thrown into jail had a right to ask a judge to hear his case. He also had a right to go free if the government could not show a legal basis for holding him.

Many legal scholars predict the law's partial repeal of habeas corpus will be struck down as unconstitutional.

"This is an outright slap at the Supreme Court, and it is heading for invalidation," said Eric M. Freedman, a law professor at Hofstra University and an expert on habeas corpus. "This is a core principle of law that was established by the prisoners who were tossed into the Tower of London by the king, and it was preserved in the Constitution. Now, Congress is saying it doesn't apply to this disfavored group of prisoners."

The new law says: "No court, justice or judge shall have jurisdiction to hear or consider an application for a writ of habeas corpus filed by or on behalf of an alien detained by the United States who has been determined ... to have been properly detained as an enemy combatant or is awaiting such determination." In early drafts, the bill would have cut off habeas corpus only for unlawful combatants detained "outside the United States" and at Guantanamo Bay. However, the final version deleted that phrase.

Now, it not only bars the men held at Guantanamo Bay from challenging their detention in court, but it also closes the courthouse door to non-citizens who are arrested in Los Angeles or Chicago and held by the military as a possible "unlawful enemy combatant."

The new law also defines this term broadly to include not just terrorists and fighters but also people, including American citizens, who have "materially supported hostilities against the United States." While a citizen could be arrested as an "enemy combatant," he or she could still challenge the government's action in court.

Some legal experts say the fate of this repeal of habeas corpus is uncertain because it is entirely unprecedented.

"This is one of the great unresolved questions because this has never happened before," said Duke University law Professor Erwin Chemerinsky, a critic of the Bush administration. "The question is whether this is an unconstitutional suspension of the writ of habeas corpus."

The Constitution makes clear habeas corpus can be "suspended" but only during extreme emergencies.

Pepperdine University law Professor Douglas W. Kmiec said Congress and the White House were on solid ground in seeking to cut off legal appeals from foreign fighters held by the U.S. military abroad, including at Guantanamo Bay.

"I would say habeas has no application to wartime detention outside the United States," said Kmiec, who's generally defended the administration. After World War II, the Supreme Court ruled German military prisoners held by U.S. authorities had no right to challenge their detentions through a writ of habeas corpus, he noted.

But detentions within this country have been seen differently, he added. "This is one of the most difficult questions posed by this act. There is no question that a habeas right has existed within the territorial United States for citizens and legal residents," Kmiec said.

[Goatweed]

thank you - GW sure loves to make himself as moronic as possible. How is this Constitutional?????

[GonzoStyle]

don't you have a water cooler at work?

[Goatweed]

no, we have a shitty coffee machine that uses those stupid little k-cup things, and all the 'gourmet' flavors taste like the same shit.

And noone here talks politics, today its all about the Mets.

[GonzoStyle]

no offense but talking "politics" is one thing, this is not just boring politics this is a national crisis. It is because no one seems to give a fuck, that these things are happening.

Just a general thought, maybe we all deserved to be locked up and maybe then someone will think to say "hey, what's going on?"

Naturally within 5 minutes the topic of the camp will be who is fucking who and what color bar code tattoo will match paris hiltons uggs.

[Galt]

So how about that Endy Chavez catch?

[Goatweed]

no offense taken, mainly because had this thread not been posted I wouldnt have known about it at all. You make an excellent point and I agree with you, however I never manage to 'pay much attention' to things of this nature, even though I should.

I dont follow any of the bullshit Paris Hilton-type gossip either, I tend to reside deep within tech news & sports.

[GonzoStyle]

he should be detained