Episode 3

[GonzoStyle]

Vader tells luke that the emperor has forseen the fact that luke will strike him down and that vader will then become the master with luke as his apprentice. was vader really that gullible that he didnt realize the emperor was far superior in strength to vader let alone luke that it was Vader who would be the one to fall.

Rolling Stone had a good interview with Lucas about the movies and their focus and this was explained in them. Basically Jedis are taught to be selfless and care about others more than themselves, but sith are selfish and look after their own interest. Vadar knowing he is just an arm of the emperor and not having any real power to himself would look to employ his son in the destruction of the emperor and there by ruling the galaxy with his son by his side. If you can read the interview I recommend it entirely. And you are right gonz, the last 20 minutes are just depressing but it does tie the story together rather nicely and it does do one thing effectively. It makes Darth Vadar a sympathetic and romantic character where you actually feel sorry for him after it is all said and done and when his redemption takes place in episode 6, you really feel good about it and it proves Padme's last words correct, There really was some good left in him

Yeah I got that part, it was obvious that Vader was not planning to lay down his life for the emperor to attain a new apprentice. Vader is told by the emperor that Luke will strike him down and that Vader would in essence become the dark lord of the sith and luke would be his sith apprentice. But its obvious that the emperor was never planning to be struck down, he was more powerful than luke. He wanted luke to kill vader for the same reason that he wanted anakin to kill dooku, in favor of the younger and stronger new apprentice. Vader was extremely powerful but he was not as swift or young and mostly machine at that point.

It just seems to me that it makes Vader seem gullible to think that the emperor would simply lay down and die and let vader become the new lord of the sith. It could be argued that he was still the same eager, impatient boy but you'd figure that since episode 4 is set 19 years after episode 3 and by episode 6 it's well over 20 years later, he'd grown wiser.

Thats one of the reasons I hate people who complain about the saber battles in the new trilogy, saying that they make the ones in the original trilogy look weak. Well thats the whole point, the original trilogy has basically 3 jedi doing saber battle. The first is obi-wan and vader and both are much older and vader is mostly machine.

The newer trilogy shows the jedi order at its greatest prime, so naturally they were all most athletic and younger, especially anakin and obi-wan before they aged and vader turned into a machine.