08-01-2005, 06:51 PM
1. Cheater
2. Talent pool is dilluded significantly thanks to expansion. You have to compare players vs. their present day peers and not historical numbers which don't mean as much. 600 homers doesn't mean as much when 35 people a year hit 40 homers. Palmeiro gets at bats against Tanyon Sturtze and other such shitbag #5 starters. The addition of good relievers doens't offset 3 at bats against starters who would have never made the majors in 60s. When Mays was doing it, only a handful of people were hitting 40 homers a year (if any at all). I'd be shocked if Palmeiro ever finished in the top 5 in MVP balloting in his life or if he ever led the league in any major category. Probably once or twice in the top 10 of MVP during his career. He just was never dominant. I've always heard that a player had to be both dominant for a period of 5-10 years as well as have long-term success. Palmeiro's got the long-term success down, but he was never dominant in his time. He was always a very good player like a Fred McGriff, Kirby Puckett, Will Clark, and guys like that. None of whom belong in the Hall of Fame.
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Expansion has dilluded the talent pool so
2. Talent pool is dilluded significantly thanks to expansion. You have to compare players vs. their present day peers and not historical numbers which don't mean as much. 600 homers doesn't mean as much when 35 people a year hit 40 homers. Palmeiro gets at bats against Tanyon Sturtze and other such shitbag #5 starters. The addition of good relievers doens't offset 3 at bats against starters who would have never made the majors in 60s. When Mays was doing it, only a handful of people were hitting 40 homers a year (if any at all). I'd be shocked if Palmeiro ever finished in the top 5 in MVP balloting in his life or if he ever led the league in any major category. Probably once or twice in the top 10 of MVP during his career. He just was never dominant. I've always heard that a player had to be both dominant for a period of 5-10 years as well as have long-term success. Palmeiro's got the long-term success down, but he was never dominant in his time. He was always a very good player like a Fred McGriff, Kirby Puckett, Will Clark, and guys like that. None of whom belong in the Hall of Fame.
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Expansion has dilluded the talent pool so