The Official 2005 New York Yankees Thread - Kill all Red Sox and Twins

[The Jays]

And where do they both bat in the line-up? And what about OBP? Stolen Bases? If you're gonna take a cleanup over a leadoff, you're a pussy.

You are babbling.

OBP isn't the be-all. Look at Dellucci and Dunn. Not stellar hitters, they just are patient. Stolen bases are largely arbitrary. If Tejada were a slap hitter, like Jeter, he'd probably run more. If Texas's offense wasn't so sick, Dellucci and Young would probably run more, but why risk getting thrown out?

The best hitter normally bats in the 3 or 4, that's why they are there. Tejada is a better hitter than Jeter. You might be the only person on the planet who says otherwise.

I would definitely put Jeter in the top 5 in shortstops. He's a very good hitter, becoming an above average fielder, and he's so damn pretty.

First you say Jeter has horrible range. So I put up the current stats which show he has a higher range and his put outs, assists, and dp are comparable to the three other SS's that WBK pointed out. So then you just revert back to an arguement where Jeter sucked in the minors 10 years ago, thus then, he is a terrible shortstop today.

So then you wanna talk about his offense. For you, you think that the best players are those that get the rbis and hit for power, cleanup hitters. Just because Jeter can't generate power, that makes him worse than Tejada? They are two different types of batters. Jeter is a leadoff hitter. Tejada isn't. They each have a different spot in the lineup because they are two different types of hitters. For you, the best players are the ones who bat 3, 4, and 5 in the lineup. I don't agree with that.

OBP isn't the be-all when people like you are only looking for cleanup hitters to favor. OBP IS important when you bat 9, 1, and 2, because it is your job to get on base so that your power guys can knock you in.

ANd OBP isn't the be-all with Jeter, because, along with getting the walks, he gets the hits, and while he doesn't get the deep doubles or triples, he is able to put the ball where he wants it to go in order to get the job done, which is get on base. And, once on base, he's a threat to steal, so he keeps pitchers on their toes. I'm noty quite sure what you mean by "Stolen bases are largely arbitary." Do you mean that they just pull a number out of their ass, and say "yep, that's how many stolen bases he has"? Unless arbitrary to you means "depending on the circumstances," which, yes, then it would be true. Some of those circumstances would be a player's ability to run, to know what pitches are coming, how the pitcher's pick off move is, who's on the bases already. Are you trying to say that Jeter gets lucky when he steals a base?

If you combine his ability to field with his ability to produce, he is the better all around shortstop. He's not great at just one thing, and poor at the other. He gives you what you want your leadoff hitter to be, and he gives you what you want your shortstop to be.