07-08-2005, 01:39 AM
OK. Let me catch my breath. Are you saying that Jeter is a better offensive shortstop than Miguel Tejada? Are you saying that. I mean, really? You're not just pulling my leg?
Tejada is so much better than Jeter it's not even worth a discussion. There is not a single metric on earth that you can say Jeter is better. It's not even close. Aside from "Well look how many rings Jeter has". Great, then Robert Horry is the best forward in basketball right now.
Wow, Jeter has 10 more runs. You think it's because Jeter is better than Tejada. I say it's probably more because Jeter has Arod, Sheffield, and Matsui driving him in, while Tejada has Sosa, Palmeiro, and Gibbons. You think that may be more of a reason?
You say Jeter's better because his OBP is .20 higher than Tejada. I say, I'll take that for the 20 more homers and 20 more doubles Tejada's going to give his this year. Well, better offense, and the fact that Tejada's historically been a much better fielder than Jeter too.
And I'm not clinging to Jeter's horrible fielding "10 years ago", I'm clinging to the fact that he's been a horrible fielder "for the last 10 years". I admitted that he's dramatically improved over the last 18 months from the worst in baseball, to better than average which is quite a feat.
I'm saying that leadoff hitters run, cleanup guys don't. That's why it's arbitrary. If Jeter were a cleanup guy he wouldn't run. Look at what happened to Soriano since he moved out of the cleanup spot? Is he any slower now than he was three years ago? No. It's arbitrary because it's largely dependant upon where you hit in the lineup. Yes, there are some anomolies, but it's generally true.
Jesus, you are such a homer, it's amazing. This "Is Jeter the both the best offensive and best defensive shortstop in baseball" argument is laughable and about as difficult to shoot down as when Arpi sold Imclone stock for a profit.
Tejada is so much better than Jeter it's not even worth a discussion. There is not a single metric on earth that you can say Jeter is better. It's not even close. Aside from "Well look how many rings Jeter has". Great, then Robert Horry is the best forward in basketball right now.
Wow, Jeter has 10 more runs. You think it's because Jeter is better than Tejada. I say it's probably more because Jeter has Arod, Sheffield, and Matsui driving him in, while Tejada has Sosa, Palmeiro, and Gibbons. You think that may be more of a reason?
You say Jeter's better because his OBP is .20 higher than Tejada. I say, I'll take that for the 20 more homers and 20 more doubles Tejada's going to give his this year. Well, better offense, and the fact that Tejada's historically been a much better fielder than Jeter too.
And I'm not clinging to Jeter's horrible fielding "10 years ago", I'm clinging to the fact that he's been a horrible fielder "for the last 10 years". I admitted that he's dramatically improved over the last 18 months from the worst in baseball, to better than average which is quite a feat.
I'm saying that leadoff hitters run, cleanup guys don't. That's why it's arbitrary. If Jeter were a cleanup guy he wouldn't run. Look at what happened to Soriano since he moved out of the cleanup spot? Is he any slower now than he was three years ago? No. It's arbitrary because it's largely dependant upon where you hit in the lineup. Yes, there are some anomolies, but it's generally true.
Jesus, you are such a homer, it's amazing. This "Is Jeter the both the best offensive and best defensive shortstop in baseball" argument is laughable and about as difficult to shoot down as when Arpi sold Imclone stock for a profit.