because we haven't had a political thread in like two weeks

[The Sleeper]

yea, what he said

[Hoon]

Coolidge is a good choice.

why? i was actually just throwing out names, i just looked coolidge up, he seems like he was pretty decent actually.

From what I have read about him, he was a decent and actually very good person but he never should have been president. His idea of the presidency was basically the idea of this board, do nothing and let things flow. His motto was the activity of inactivity and his poor economic policies helped pave the way for the depression.

But I wouldnt rate him the worst because he couldn't have foreseen that, though he did forsee the eventual economic crash that was to come but at that point it was too late and he did not run for a second term because of the impending collapse, though he said it was for health reasons.

But sleeper brought up a great one that completely slipped my mind, James Buchanan. He presided over the secession of most of the southern states, he has to be the worst ever. Buchanan wanted Kansas admitted as a slave state, despite the fraudulent nature of the “elections” that the repugnant Missourian David Atchison and other thugs had foisted upon that territory. The events in Kansas convinced many Northerners that the Democrats were incapable of settling the slave issue in a way that Northerners could stomach. Later, when states began to secede, Buchanan said he didn’t believe states had that right but that the Federal government was powerless to do anything about it. Therefore, Buchanan’s policies toward Kansas did the most to bring about the Civil War and his inaction when states began to secede, despite his vehement insistence that states could not secede, only solidifies his position as the worst president ever.

Franklin Pierce is also a close 2nd.

My 5 worst list would be:

1. James Buchanan
2. Franklin Pierce
3. Ulysess Grant
4. Warren Harding
5. Ronald Reagan

RONALD REAGAN!!??

my blood is boiling. take it back.

[2 tired 2 give N F]

How did Carter and Ford not make that list?

[Gooch]

ineffectual does not always mean "worst"

[GonzoStyle]

Coolidge is a good choice.

why? i was actually just throwing out names, i just looked coolidge up, he seems like he was pretty decent actually.

From what I have read about him, he was a decent and actually very good person but he never should have been president. His idea of the presidency was basically the idea of this board, do nothing and let things flow. His motto was the activity of inactivity and his poor economic policies helped pave the way for the depression.

But I wouldnt rate him the worst because he couldn't have foreseen that, though he did forsee the eventual economic crash that was to come but at that point it was too late and he did not run for a second term because of the impending collapse, though he said it was for health reasons.

But sleeper brought up a great one that completely slipped my mind, James Buchanan. He presided over the secession of most of the southern states, he has to be the worst ever. Buchanan wanted Kansas admitted as a slave state, despite the fraudulent nature of the “elections” that the repugnant Missourian David Atchison and other thugs had foisted upon that territory. The events in Kansas convinced many Northerners that the Democrats were incapable of settling the slave issue in a way that Northerners could stomach. Later, when states began to secede, Buchanan said he didn’t believe states had that right but that the Federal government was powerless to do anything about it. Therefore, Buchanan’s policies toward Kansas did the most to bring about the Civil War and his inaction when states began to secede, despite his vehement insistence that states could not secede, only solidifies his position as the worst president ever.

Franklin Pierce is also a close 2nd.

My 5 worst list would be:

1. James Buchanan
2. Franklin Pierce
3. Ulysess Grant
4. Warren Harding
5. Ronald Reagan

RONALD REAGAN!!??

my blood is boiling. take it back.

He was fuckin awful, too bad hinkleys bullet didnt kill him in 81.

[Hoon]

i'm just fucking speechless.
i hate you.

[GonzoStyle]

Are you one of those "reagan is the greatest president ever, he toppled the soviets and brought our economy to an all time high" people?

[Hoon]

reagan isn't the greatest president ever but he's by far not the worst. yes, he brought about the defeat of the soviet threat. no he didn't kiss their ass and tippy toe around their feelings like presidents before and after him did.

yes, he targeted the silly tax code aimed at punishing those who worked and succeeded, instead rewarding the unmotivated and lazy.

he got our hostages returned from iran without starting a war. something most liberals would love today.

he kicked the shit out of Khadaffi, nipping his building attitude in the bud. has libya been a thorn in our side since? no. why? because reagan didn't fuck around. he took out 30 libyans, one of which was khaddaff's adoptive daughter..

BOOYAH!

Ronald Reagan = Cowboy.

You = FACEPUMP!

[GonzoStyle]

yeah so he got our hostages back from iran and I bet you think that star wars was a brilliant move on his part.

[Hoon]

that was george lucas!!

[GonzoStyle]

wow....

[Keyser Soze]

reagan was barely conscious while he was in office. most presidents are figureheads, so the best presidents take credit for the great things that happen to take place while they're in office. its more about being in the right place at the right time than being responsible for much of it.

[GonzoStyle]

That's somewhat true, there are many things that are out of anyones control and when its good the president takes credit and the opposite when its bad, he gets blamed.

Though that doesn't mean a president is simply a figurehead, presidents are far from that. There have been many presidents who have influenced not just the country during their terms but changed the country forever. There have been many who have done nothing, and many who have done a lot of harm. But there are many circumstances surrounding that as well, the climate of the country, the current members of the house and senate, etc, etc.

But I have never bought into the argument of "figure heads" and that a president has no real power, lets look at the current dope in office and the havoc he has wreaked over the last 5+ years.

[Keyser Soze]

that is true, i think some presidents are more influential than others, in bushes case, he puts people in place from his inner circle who are not going to add another dimension to the administration. they're all part of the same cabal looking to destroy our once proud reputation in the global community.

[Hoon]

You do know my george lucas post was a joke, correct? if not, you need to ease up on your co-workers cubicle water.

Come on. If you guys take his 'I didn't kow what was going on' bit he portrayed during the iran/contra hearings as being the way it was, then you're easily fooled. He HAD to take that defense, wtf would you do? Clinton did the same damn thing. Do you really think that hayseed didn't condiser oral SEX 'sexual relations'? Reagan was man enough to call the soviet union what it was.. the evil empire. hell, not even george bush (pre-911) would dare speak about another country like that.

[GonzoStyle]

I know the lucas thing was a joke but thats a joke I expect keyser to go for, for shame.

[Hoon]

damn. i feel so ashamed. really.

[The Painter]

yeah so he got our hostages back from iran and I bet you think that star wars was a brilliant move on his part.

Star Wars was a brilliant move. Why? Because it worked.

[GonzoStyle]

The painter endorses reagan, need I say more?

[The Painter]

Wow, you got that from one little statement? It was brilliant because it worked. If it didn’t work, it would have been stupid.

I don’t endorse GW Bush. Does that mean you do?