Delahoya Vs. Mosley this saturday night - plus Roy Jones

[GonzoStyle]

This saturday is the long awaited rematch between Oscar Delahoya and Sugar Shane Mosley. The two met 3 years ago, when Oscar was king of the world and Shane was only a superstar to true boxing fans who followed the sport closely. The fight was pretty even going in with Oscar a slight favorite cause he was the veteran and Mosley blew into the 147 pound class all the way from 135 and this was only his 3rd fight at 147.

Mosley handed Oscar his 2nd defeat that night and the one defeat no one could dispute (like the Trinidad defeat when oscar gave up the fight by dancing backwards the last 3 rounds). Mosley handed Oscar a beating, especially in the decisive 12th round.

But since then their careers have landed them in a trading places scenario. Oscar was supposed to be washed up and Shane was king of the world. Fast forward, Mosley has lost back to back fights to Vernon Forrest and in his last fight fought to a no contest due to a head butt.

Delahoya on the other hand is the king once again after whooping Fernando Vargas for the 154 pound championship in an amazing fight.

So now once again, 3 years later and an extra 7 pounds. Oscar is once again the king taking on Mosley the one with everything to prove. Oscar wants to avenge his loss to Shane and Shane wants to prove he is still a great fighter. whoever loses can say goodbye to their championship hopes and their careers as superstars. Oscar will be embarassed if he loses again to Mosley. Mosley will be just another has been who coulda been great and will become just another name fighter who younger fighters take on only on their way up to have a name fighter on their resume.


Also Roy Jones stay as Heavyweight Champion is probably all but over. All the talk about taking on Holyfield, Tyson, Lewis, Byrd, etc is down the drain.

Jones has agreed to take on Antonio Tarver in november. Tarver now owns 2 of the 3 major belts that Jones vacated back in march when he decided to fight for the WBA heavyweight crown and beat John Ruiz. Now looks like Jones is gonna vacate or more like be stripped of his WBA belt and move back down to light heavyweight and regain all his belts again and possibly retire, who knows with him.

The WBA is setting up a fight between Hasim Rahman and David Tua for the belt that Jones will be forced to give up.

[HedCold]

i almost feel like i know something about boxing after these threads

almost

[GonzoStyle]

atleast someone reads my boxing threads :thumbs-up:

[Gooch]

i read them, buttercup

[GonzoStyle]

I could KO 4 of the 6 in that picture, I dunno about the chick and the guy behind lent.

[diceisgod]

Oscar was supposed to be washed up and Shane was king of the world

It's amazing how much worthless knowledge you need to know to be a boxing fan, but I think this sentence sums it up.

[diceisgod]

In other words, Oscar in 5

[GonzoStyle]

Oscar by 12 round decision

don't underestimate Mosley though, he already has a win over Oscar and the psychological aspect is also a factor. But I don't think Mosley can carry over his dominance to the 154 pound level and also I don't think Oscar will make the same mistakes twice.

How bout them eagles?

[GonzoStyle]

Oscar was supposed to be washed up and Shane was king of the world

It's amazing how much worthless knowledge you need to know to be a boxing fan, but I think this sentence sums it up.

That statement makes no sense, it's not useless info but instead following the sport.

That statement made by me is the same as if we were discussing baseball and I said "several years ago Griffey Jr. was supposed to be the heir apparent to Aarons home run record, as well as Maris' record. Instead now Bonds is the home run king and Griffey is washed up in many peoples eyes".

It's just following the sport and knowing where the athletes are, have been and are goin in theory.

[PeterDragon]

so who watched this?
being a cheap F, I only heard it, but announcers described it as if DeLahoya dominated.
A unanamous 115-113 decision no less.

surprising.

[Austin]

Watched the fight - I thought it was an absolutely terrible decision - De La Hoya had control of this match throughout most of it and he got royalled screwed.

[GonzoStyle]

I don't think he got screwed honestly, in my opinion the fight was close and the 1st four rounds were pretty much even. Naturally the announcers who all are on Oscars dick gave him the rounds, Oscar is HBO's golden calf don't forget. Tyson is the biggest draw but he is on showtime, Oscar is the second biggest draw only to Iron Mike. Oscar loses and now he may retire this is bad news for HBO, so ofcourse they wanted him to win.

Honestly he coulda won, I had the fight also 115-113 for Mosley. The announcers kept on saying the first 4 rounds which were boring and no one deserved to win, that Oscar was winning cause Mosley was throwing one punch at a time. Granted Mosley was mostly throwin one punch at a time but he was coming forward as Oscar was backing away and throwing mostly Jabs with no agressivness.

The fight coulda been a draw or either one coulda won based on judges criteria which is clean punching, affective agressivness and ring generalship. The point was that the 1st 4 maybe and probably 1st 6 rounds were close cause they had little to no activity.

Yes Oscar threw and landed more shots but thats over the course of a the whole fight.

You can land a 100 punches in one round and win that round but when you throw 20 the next that dont mean shit. Overall Mosley won it in my eyes the same way he did the last time, the last 5 rounds Oscar was tired and Shane took control.

Though I must say neither man deserved to win, they both stunk up the place in my opinion. Neither man went in for the kill or took many chances.

and for 20 million for Oscar and 5 Million for Mosley I think you should do better than the guys on the undercard who made under 500K combined and they didn't. The best fight was the Very first fight which most no one saw.

[Teenweek]

for those who did not watch like me, the fight is on hbo next saturday.

[Hoon]

Gonzo is right.

The travesty would be to reverse this decision now.
Oscar landed more punches and beat Mosley on every statistic except for one...
The most important one in my opinion.
The fact that 75% of Mosleys shots thrown and landed were power punches.

Justice was done...Mosley won.

[Keyser Soze]

has a decision ever been reversed? i saw the fight, didnt seem like anyone really dominated, though it seemed like de la hoya was more beat up physically, his face was a mess, mosley looked more composed after the 12th.

[GonzoStyle]

Ther have been many protests and a decision has never been overturned. Like a few people said yesterday, no way this gets overturned cause then it opens up a can of worms on some other past horrible decisions and in the future everyone will use this for their own cases.

If the Holyfield Vs. Lewis travesty was not overturned where the numbers were sickly out of proportion (lewis landed 3 for everyone 1 of holyfields punches). Then this will not get overturned.

HBO is in an uproar like I said because Oscar is their meal ticket, it was a close fight that coulda gone either way based on the first 5 rounds because neither man was dominant so it was a toss up. I felt Shane won the rounds strictly because he was moving oscar backwards and Oscar may have thrown more punches but they were all peppering Jabs, Mosley landed the harder and more meaningful punches.

The main point it is for a 55 dollar PPV this was a farce, neither man deserved the win but since there must be a winner Shane won.

4 out of the 5 boxing writers at the ring gave the fight to shane, all of whom actually picked Oscar to win. Max Kellerman and Brian Kenny from Friday Night Fights also at ringside had shane winning the fight, they also picked Oscar to win. So it's not like it is a conspiracy.

If you have watched Oscar fights over the years you would know that Lampley, Foreman and Merchant are allover Oscars dick cause he makes them a lot of money cause he makes HBO boxing. Especially foreman, he is blindly biased when it comes to Oscar.

Plus this is just vindication in my opinion for all the bullshit decisions Oscar got in the past, when he would dance backwards for 2:30 of each round and flurry for the last 30 seconds with pattering punches that barely landed. That swayed the judges cause the last minute usually decides the winner of a round.

Namely the decisions Oscar got against Pernell Whitaker and Ike Quartey. Oscar lost both those fights in the opinions of many but his stature won him the decision just like the gift Ali got against Ken Norton, Chavez got against Whitaker, etc etc.

But now that Oscar was crying retirement if he lost, he is gonna say he didnt really lose so he wont retire.

[Keyser Soze]

yeah, he wont retire now. but who will he fight next? how likely is another rematch?

[GonzoStyle]

even Oscar said "no" to a rematch.

what is the point? a trilogy usually happens when the men split the first 2 fights and since the days of people fighting eachother 5 or 6 times hasnt happened in many many decades, I say no. Even if Oscar wins a 3rd fight, he lost 2 straight.

Trinidad is retired for good, he's balooned up to around 185-190 pounds now for over a year now and he won't come back, he is retired for good.

Don't forget Oscar is only 30 years old, he could easily retire for a year or maybe 2 and come back still fresh. A second fight with Vargas is a possibility for Oscar, moving up to 160 and fighting Hopkins is a possibility.

Also waiting for Mosley to lose is a possibility, I honestly don't think Shanes stay at 154 will be a long one since the division has no one but Vargas and Delahoya, I think Vargas would beat Mosley.

So the possibilities are there, then ofcourse maybe Oscar retires a la Marvin Hagler and never returns.

But remember the fighters today are lucky if they fight twice a year. There's no more Ali's and Louis's who fight 3,4,5 times a year. This was Oscars second fight this year. If you can count beating up an old man like Yory Boy Campas and calling it a PPV a fight. Then again Oscar didnt mind doin it to Chavez and acting like he beat a 22 year old Chavez.

So Oscar will not go straight into a big time fight I think. I believe he takes on another washed up name fighter or some young fighter with a hogwash unbeaten record. He could fight 2 or 3 times next year against bullshit titlists and still make 20 million.

[PeterDragon]

for those who did not watch like me, the fight is on hbo next saturday.

Thanks teen. I was trying to see if it would be on regular HBO. Yeah, Oscar is an HBO meal ticket and Lamply, Merchang & Forman are all prone to pontificate, but it is hard w/o seeing it myself, and I wasnt gonna pay 49.95, nor do I currently scam the digital cable I have.

Im curious what Ill hear by Wally Mathews on monday. Hes a former boxing writer who actually had Mosely on friday, and prolly the only local radio guy I can think of who actually knows something about boxing.

[GonzoStyle]

Wally Matthews hates delahoya, he is a hack who writes with his feelings.