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| Posted By | Discussion Topic: Mo Vaughn & The Mets | ||||
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King Shit *board owner* | posted on 12-22-2001 @ 2:34 PM |    | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Feb. 01  | For the last several days, this has been the big story for the Mets, though in today's Post, Fred Wilpon came out and said that they could afford both Mo & Juan Gonzalez if Doubleday would adjust the budget. In return for Vaughn it looks like we'd give up Appier. Personally I don't like this deal in the least. Appier was solid for us last year, and Vaughn spent the entire season on the DL. He's never hit in the National League, and it remains to be seen whether he can hit like he did in Boston.  I believe in the Faith... that can save me. I believe in the hope and I pray... That someday it may raise me... above these badlands | ||||
| Francine Banger | posted on 12-22-2001 @ 3:06 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | This reminds me of a different situation over the summer with the Rangers. Everybody including myself wanted the Rangers to go after Jaromir Jagr. Yet Glen Sather had his eyes set on Eric Lindros, who was injury prone and didnt play all year. Here Everybody including myself wants the Mets to go after Juan Gonzalez, yet Steve Phillips has his eyes set on Mo Vaughn. Jaromir Jagr was a Free Agent and the Rangers wouldnt have to give up anything but money, Eric Lindros was not a Free Agent. Juan Gonzalez is a Free Agent, Mo Vaughn is not. Everything seems to have worked out for the Rangers, at least so far. But for the Mets, I dont see that happening again. If they can get Vaughn and Gonzalez then great. But realistically, that will never happen. They will barely willing to pay just one of them. The Mets pitching staff is already not very stellar, they cant afford to trade their #2 pitcher Appier.  | ||||
| Cluster F | posted on 12-22-2001 @ 3:06 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | Ive been paying attention to this issue for the past few days. My opinion: he isnt worth giving up Appier and a minor leaguer for. The last thing we need to do is focus on the infield; that is already taken care of. I would rather be getting a front line pitcher, like a Jeff D'Amico from the Brewers. Mo Vaughn is just a name, he isnt what he used to be. Go Knicks, Giants, Rangers, and Rutgers Men's Basketball (now 7-2) | ||||
| onehung lo434 | posted on 12-22-2001 @ 3:28 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | quote: Exactly, Thats all he ever was for the Sox also.A media hyped large first baseman. He was ok at first base, but at the plate he was a sucker for a low inside breaking ball...wiffed everytime. He's maybe worth a draft pick  | ||||
King Shit *board owner* | posted on 12-22-2001 @ 3:43 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Feb. 01 | quote: He was a great hitter on Boston. He batted over .300 every year, at put up great HR & RBI numbers. But in he hasn't hit .300 since going to the Angels, and the constant injuries aren't going to help that. I believe in the Faith... that can save me. I believe in the hope and I pray... That someday it may raise me... above these badlands | ||||
| PeterDragon | posted on 12-22-2001 @ 3:54 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | Vaughn vs Gonzalez is one debate, but losing our #2 pitcher is a big mistake. (especially if Zeile stays) Currently the Mets starting rotation is: Leiter - (solid lefty but maybe last year) Appier - (OK righty who put up solid but unspectacular numbers last year) Estes - (Erratic Lefty with good stuff who walks too many) Trachsel - (Righty who started last year awful and finished strong when pressure was off) Chen - (Young lefty on 3rd team in 3 years who gives up too many homers) Rusch - (27 yr old lefty who gave up way more hits than innnings last year). Trading Appier makes the Mets Mediocre rotation even weaker. Even though salary is a match, they cannot trade Appier. They'd even be better off keeping poor outfield as it is or going after a plan B (Burnitz, etc.) Phillips could undo all the good moves he has done so far. Now if all this is just to lower Gonzalez' asking price, then Phillips is a genius :)  | ||||
| onehung lo434 | posted on 12-22-2001 @ 4:07 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | quote: he batted 300 or above for 5 of the 8 years he was here. And just because he hit 300 doesn't mean shit. Alot of his hits were in garbage time situations,And the majority of his HR's were solo shots meaning nothing in the game. Bottom line, when it was crunch time in a game he sucked. | ||||
| Lent Black Rock Coalition Do you have a basketball in your car? | posted on 12-22-2001 @ 6:33 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: May. 00 | Good point FB, but Vaughn ain't no Lindros. (Contract holdouts aside) at least he can't miss an entire season. Unless Mo can somehow overcome his injuries and somehow get in better shape than he is now I'd say get him. Otherwise I don't think its worth it to give up Appier.  - AIM:roweLENTless2001 | ||||
| mother shucker | posted on 12-22-2001 @ 11:07 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Nov. 00 | Fuck Vaughn!!! Just sign Juan Gone and eat Zeiles $$$ for this year. Next year, you let him go and put Mike at first and get some no hit, defensive catcher real cheap. The top five in that line-up would look awsome. Cedeno, Alfonzo, Alomar, Piazza, Gonzalez, followed by Payton?, catcher?, Ordonez, and pitcher. If you want, you can package payton and a lefty pitcher, and up grade C.F.. I shucked it, and I shucked it, and I shucked it, i'm quite the mother shucker! | ||||
| Gang Green | posted on 12-23-2001 @ 3:03 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00 | All I want is Gonzo, if Mo is there instead of Zeile I don't care what pitcher we have to give up, its worth it. My dog is probably gonna have a better average than Zeile is gonna have this year at the plate. That fucker sucks and having a home run threat every time he steps up to the plate is definately better than Zeile. | ||||
| Hello! Hello! Diamond Dust! Hello! | posted on 12-25-2001 @ 1:08 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01 | Vaughn is gonna be a Met within 72 hours. Personally, I like this move better than Gonzo because it gives us more money to replace Appier than if we got Gonzo. And yes, we would have to trade Appier to shave salary for Gonzo, so Appier was going anyway. Here is the story from MetsOnline.net: Mets may say Merry X-mas with Mo By Bryan Hoch, metsonline.net - December 25, 2001 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GM Steve Phillips is trying to give Mets fans a slugger for the holidays. NEW YORK -- The New York Mets will have power-hitting first baseman Mo Vaughn as a key component of their offensive attack this season, assuming the financial details of the situation can be worked out. New York and the Anaheim Angels have completed a trade that will send starting pitcher Kevin Appier to the Angels for Vaughn, contingent on the Mets' ability to convince Vaughn to defer part of the $50 million he is owed over the next three years, the Los Angeles Times reported Christmas morning. The Mets and Vaughn reportedly have a 72-hour window in which to finalize the transaction, but it is not known when that window began. The Mets have been looking for a power hitter to protect superstar catcher Mike Piazza in the lineup and improve an offense which was among the weakest in the National League last season. Many Mets players and club officials have urged the team to go after free-agent slugger Juan Gonzalez, but the Mets have seemed far more interested in Vaughn in recent weeks, with Phillips calling a free-agent signing "highly unlikely". General manager Steve Phillips, manager Bobby Valentine and assistant general manager Omar Minaya were granted permission to observe a workout session with the 268-pound Vaughn in Massachusetts last week, from which the team presumably came away convinced the first baseman would rebound from the torn left bicep tendon that kept him sidelined all of 2001. Vaughn, the 1995 American League Most Valuable Player with the Boston Red Sox, has had a strong desire to return to the East Coast. Signed by the Anaheim Angels to a six-year, $80 million contract before the 1999 season, Vaughn's three years with the Angels have been injury-plagued and overall disappointments. Trading Appier frees up some salary for New York, lifting the righthander's remaining three year, $32 million commitment from the club's payroll. The Mets have hoped to keep their 2002 payroll near last year's level of approximately $95 million. Appier was 11-10 with a 3.57 ERA in 33 starts with the Mets last season, his first year in New York. The 13-year big league veteran previously pitched with the Kansas City Royals and Oakland Athletics, turning in his best season in 1993 when he was 18-8 for the Royals. The Mets currently have six starting pitchers, with Appier and Steve Trachsel as the only righthanders among them. The trade of Desi Relaford and Tsuyoshi Shinjo to the San Francisco Giants netted New York talented southpaw Shawn Estes, whom the Mets believe can be at least a 15-game winner this season. The remainder of New York's starting rotation is made up of Al Leiter, Glendon Rusch and Bruce Chen. Should the transaction be finalized, the Mets will also have to figure out what to do with beleaguered first baseman Todd Zeile, whom New York has been looking to trade for some time but have found themselves unable to do so. Many teams are scared off by a combination of Zeile's lack of power production last season and the remaining $6.5 million owed to him by his contract, which expires after this year. Zeile underwent elbow surgery after this season which may boost his power production, but many teams still understandably have doubts. Last season, Zeile batted .266 with 10 home runs and 62 RBI, frustrating fans and management with a propensity for grounding into double plays. In 2000, his first year with the Mets, Zeile hit .268 with 28 home runs and 79 RBI. Despite the pending transaction, the Mets continue to have contact with Jeff Moorad, who represents Juan Gonzalez. Moorad has said that Gonzalez will not sign with any other team until all possibilities with the Mets are exhausted; he is said to strongly desire joining Roberto Alomar and Mike Piazza as teammates, but also is seeking a contract worth $12 to $15 million per season. HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLO! | ||||
| NASA | posted on 12-25-2001 @ 1:11 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Sep. 01 | Looks like it could happen. Is Vaughn the type to defer money? That's the question now. GodBlessAmerica. New York State Twatto -- "Hey, you never know." This message was edited by NASA on 12-25-01 @ 1:19 PM | ||||
| PeterDragon | posted on 12-25-2001 @ 10:16 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | Still don't like the way it is going down. Today Mets are waiting to see if Vaughn is defering salary, but when Alomar & Leiter said they would defer salary Phillips said it didn't matter since the money was already budgeted. Zeile is the big problem now. I can't conceive of anyone taking his contract and I don't want to see him in LF. I don't like to move good pitching, but it is possible that Mets don't expect Appier to repeat last year's stats. He's 34, and it was his best year since pre-surgery 1997. As George Lucas like's to say, "I've got a bad feeling about this". By the way, here is the link to the LA Times article which says it is all up to Mo. Vaughn Trade to Mets Is in Place  This message was edited by PeterDragon on 12-25-01 @ 10:21 PM | ||||
| TeenWeek what's a status? | posted on 12-26-2001 @ 7:32 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | Mets Hitting=Good Mets Pitching= stinks Mets should win the NL Least, but will lose as they face a team with good picthing, ie Diamondbacks, Yankees. As everybody knows, Pitching wins championships.  This message was edited by TeenWeek on 12-26-01 @ 7:44 AM | ||||
| NASA | posted on 12-26-2001 @ 8:55 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Sep. 01 | The negotiating period has been extended until noon tomorrow. I think the Mets would be better off acquiring Juan Gonzalez and not Mo Vaughn. I've also heard that this whole Mo Vaughn thing is just Steve Phillip's way of trying to finagle Juan into accepting less money by making him think he really isn't as important. Bad move Steve. GodBlessAmerica. New York State Twatto -- "Hey, you never know." | ||||
| Hello! Hello! Diamond Dust! Hello! | posted on 12-27-2001 @ 6:07 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01 | According to WFAN's Sid Rosenberg (remember HIM on Sports Guys?) while there is no confirmation on anything, rumors are that the Vaughn deal has been approved by the Players' Association and they have also signed Juan Gonzalez. Again, this is NOT confirmed, but the rumor is that the Mets have a press conference tomorrow at noon. Sid said the Mets aren't telling them anything. If this is true, then let the Alfonzo for a frontline starting pitcher rumors begin. Personally, I think anyone that DOESN'T like this as many in this thread seem to be doing, is a mongoloid retard who should be drug out into the street and shot, but then that's just my opinion. If they get that pitcher to replace Appier, then I don't know how anyone cannot like this as a Met fan. I'm starting to think World Series here we come. :) HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLO! | ||||
| NASA | posted on 12-27-2001 @ 7:09 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Sep. 01 | The Associated Press (very reliable) just announced that the deal is done: NEW YORK (AP) - Mo Vaughn and the New York Mets finally reached an agreement to restructure the first baseman's contract Thursday, freeing the team to complete a trade that would send pitcher Kevin Appier to Anaheim for the former MVP. After several days of talks, details were worked out by agent Jeff Moorad and Mets general manager Steve Phillips, four baseball sources familiar with the negotiations told The Associated Press on the condition they not be identified. Vaughn was owed $50 million in salary and bonuses over the next three years but agreed to rework the contract. There will be a set payout schedule for the deferred money instead of an interest rate adjustment, one of the sources said. That part of the deal was signed off on by both the union and the commissioner's office. I'm starting to worry about the Mets. They might pose a challenge to the Yankees next year. But at least they won't be able to say that we "bought" the championship in 2002 with all the money they're spending. GodBlessAmerica. New York State Twatto -- "Hey, you never know." | ||||
| PeterDragon | posted on 12-27-2001 @ 9:31 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | Well, WFAN was holding out till mets said official, which they did at 8:30. Here is official Mets (MLB) web site: One Mo big move: Mets acquire Vaughn Angels get Appier in one-for-one swap It is quite probable that Mets felt Appier played over his head last year, or that his delivery is a problem waiting to happen. Well, time for more speculation. Juan Gone to follow? speculation 1 Rick Reed to Return? speculation 2 Trade Alfonzo plus for one of A's pitchers? speculation 3 Sign F.A. pitcher? speculation 4. What a long strange trip (winter) it's been.  This message was edited by PeterDragon on 12-27-01 @ 9:49 PM | ||||
| Francine Banger | posted on 12-27-2001 @ 9:59 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | Well, time for more speculation. Juan Gone to follow? speculation 1 Hopefully. Rick Reed to Return? speculation 2 That would be nice. Trade Alfonzo plus for one of A's pitchers? speculation 3 No way in Hell Oakland does that. Sign F.A. pitcher? speculation 4. Who? Theres nobody available. | ||||
| Lent Black Rock Coalition Do you have a basketball in your car? | posted on 12-27-2001 @ 11:15 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: May. 00 | so mo's a met now! He'd better watch out coming out of the dugout. It would then be another waste if he went out again. - AIM:roweLENTless2001 | ||||
King Shit *board owner* | posted on 12-27-2001 @ 11:34 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Feb. 01 | Fuck, this is such a bad deal for the Mets. Now they're forced to make another pitching change, and we're still not going to get Gonzalez. I believe in the Faith... that can save me. I believe in the hope and I pray... That someday it may raise me... above these badlands | ||||
| Thrillhouse Alkey gave me my bonus points back. | posted on 12-28-2001 @ 12:32 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Aug. 01 | quote: then wouldn't they need to make another move for a 3rd basemen? | ||||
| Wookie | posted on 12-28-2001 @ 12:55 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Mar. 01 | Well, they'd still have Zeile to play 3rd. So, does that mean Zeile plays Left now? Yech. Someone mentioned Sele as a FA. Is that right? Wishing everyone a very Happy Holiday Season!  What the F is figgy pudding, anyway?! | ||||
| Thrillhouse Alkey gave me my bonus points back. | posted on 12-28-2001 @ 2:21 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Aug. 01 | quote: oh yea, dammit | ||||
| TeenWeek what's a status? | posted on 12-28-2001 @ 7:31 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | Here is a reality check for Mets fans. Mo Vaughn really is a fulltime DH and a parttime first baseman. He sat out all of last year with a ruptured tendon in his arm and you have no idea how he will come back from that. He is extremely fat so that makes him more injury prone. The Mets pitching staff after Leiter sucks and Leiter is going to be 37 this year. You all know you still have Franco and Benitez to blow leads in the bullpen. Cedeno I think is an overrated player, average at best. Alfonzo is unhappy moving to 3rd and you have Zeile on the bench. If Piazza was not going to move to first in the next year or 2, why didn't the Mets sign Tino Martinez who would have been a much better fit. In the Post today the reporter wrote an article and said instead of Alomar and Vaughn, the Mets should have gotten Tino Martinez, kept Alfonzo at 2nd, left Zeile at third, sign Juan Gonzalez, and have enough money left over fo say a Chan Ho Park or an Aaron Sele. The Mets will score a lot but they will give up a ton of runs too. When they face excellent pitching like the Braves, the Diamonbacks in the NL, and the Yankees or the Mariners in the AL if the Mets make it to the World Series, they are in trouble. Yes the Mets improved their offense tremendously, but everyone knows pitching wins championships. | ||||
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