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if you have never been to palestine to see how the palestinian people live, i think that it's unjust for you to blame the israelis.

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BTW, It's been documented that the IDF has stopped Palestininian ambulances and interrogated ems workers that were trying to save lives.

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You consider the PA terrorist but they certainly pale in comparison to the Israeli government IMO. But that's just my opinion.

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So are you saying the USA, Britain, France, etc. all make Jews second class citizens?

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that's cuz when they ambulances weren't interogated, they were often packed with terrorist that when arrived on the scene would open fire on the soldiers.

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WJC: Palestinian Red Crescent helps rioters
By Arieh O'Sullivan and Reuters


TEL AVIV (November 5) - The World Jewish Congress on Friday accused the Palestinian Red Crescent of using ambulances to ferry rocks to rioters.

The Jewish advocacy group added it will ask the American Red Cross to warn the Palestinian aid society that unless it stopped giving rocks to Palestinians and Israeli Arabs to throw at Israeli soldiers, it will shut off supplies of medical equipment.

Elan Steinberg, the WJC's executive director, said: "We are asking the American Red Cross to warn the Palestine Red Crescent to cease such behavior... or risk losing the bilateral aid the American Red Cross has been providing them."

Leslie Van Sant, a spokeswoman for the Washington, DC-based American Red Cross, declined comment.

The army also listed at least four other occasions during the past two weeks when Red Crescent ambulances were involved in shooting incidents against Israelis:

* On October 30, Red Crescent ambulances were used to ferry Palestinians to protests with the IDF near the Karni crossing in the Gaza Strip.

* On October 27, Red Crescent ambulances transferred armed Palestinian police to friction points with the IDF, also near the Karni crossing.

* On October 27, a Red Crescent ambulance arrived in the midst of a gun battle between IDF soldiers and Palestinian gunmen near the village of Kafr Klil near Nablus bringing armed Palestinians who joined the fight.

* On October 22, a Palestinian gunman fired at the Jewish settlement in Hebron and fled in a Red Crescent ambulance.

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How To Win a War
by David Wilder
December 3, 2001

Shalom.

Unfortunately, the events of the past few days, as sad as they are, and
as
horrific as they are, do not come as any surprise. In truth, the
surprise
is that we are not burying 50 people a day, G-d forbid, due to such
terror
attacks. From the very beginning it was clear that the ceremonies on the
White House lawn would lead to one thing, and one thing alone – war.

It’s not nice to say “I told you so.” However a virtue politeness may be
on
a personal level, on a public stage, nothing could be worse. Don’t get me
wrong – not saying “I told you so” haughtily, for personal gain, but
rather in
order to learn from the mistakes, correct them, and not err again is
appropriate.

Time and time again, in reply to correspondents' questions, I answered,
as
did many others in various organizations, “the Oslo process can and will
lead to inevitable war. It is only a question of time.” Why? The answer
I
gave is identical to that printed in Charles Krauthammer’s latest column
called “They just don’t get it” printed in today’s Jerusalem Post.
Krauthammer quotes the editor of the Middle East Quarterly, Martin
Kramer,
speaking less than a month ago about American actions against the
Taliban:
“The way to tame the Arab streets is not with appeasement and sweet
sensitivity but with raw power and victory, ” and concludes that the
question is “whether America commands respect or contempt.”

So it is with the Arabs – if you show strength, they may not like you,
but
they will surely respect you. If, on the other hand, you show weakness,
their reaction is one of total contempt. This is the reason that Olso
inevitably leads to war, because Oslo is the preeminent example of
weakness,
continued acquiescence, and total concession, giving and receiving
nothing
in return, leading to Arab derision and mockery, as Arafat has made so
clear
over the past years, months and days.

So today, what is the solution?

First of all Israel’s leadership must recognize the current fighting, not
as
combat, rather as war. This military conflict is the Oslo War, nothing
less.

So far Israeli politicians have refused to define the conflict, and of
course, this is a major error. The enemy has declared war on us, and as
long
as we ignore their declaration we continue on the path of weakness,
thereby attracting continued scorn and hatred, leading to further acts of
war and killing, as we have witnessed over the past 48 hours.

Once the war is recognized and declared, our leadership must act
responsibly. That means that the Defense minister does not publicly
confirm
that “we don’t want to kill Arafat and destroy the palestinian
authority.”
Whether or not these are goals of the war is irrelevant. Much of war is
psychological – why not let Arafat and his cronies think that we are
after
their necks? As long as Israel declares that the Arab leadership is not
the
target and that the p a is safe from destruction, they will easily absorb
whatever Israel does have in mind for them. But, if they have reason to
suspect that their own lives are on the line and that the so-called
‘palestinian state’ is in jeopardy, it is an entirely different story. So
Israel’s defense minister, Fuad, would be much better shutting up, rather
than revealing all his cards to the enemy.

What next? In war, as in war. The object must be to totally defeat the
enemy – the enemy, starting with Arafat, continuing with his thugs,
including Rajoub, Dachlan, Abu-this and Abu-that, leading to the downfall
of
the largest terrorist framework in the world, the palestinian authority.
Those leaders who are not eliminated must be evicted, as far from here as
is
possible. And they must know that should they decide to return, even to
Lebanon or Jordan, their lives will be in jeopardy.

The Israeli left, in its obtrusive manner, then asks, “but what of the
palestinian people, what will happen to them?”

The time has come to formally recognize that there is no palestinian
people,
they have never existed, they are a figment of our imagination, the fruit
of
years of Arafat deceit. The so-called palestinians are Arabs, who have
nothing more in common than their language and religion. They have never
had
a homeland, and certainly not in Eretz Yisrael. Search in history books
from
the 1940s, 50s, 60s, even 70s and find references to the palestinian
people.
They will not be found, because they do not exist.

Arabs who are willing to live peacefully with us, in the State of Israel,
who recognize Israel as a Jewish state, may stay. They are entitled to
human
rights, just as any other human being. However, they may not serve in our
Knesset or vote in our elections. This is a prerequisite for their
residency
here. Israel’s parliament, the Knesset, today has members who literally
belong to enemy forces. Israel is probably the only country in the world
who
allows the enemy to function, with immunity, in its supreme law-making
body.
This must come to an end.

Any Arab who is incapable of accepting Israeli rule in the Jewish state
must
leave. Israel is the only Jewish state on earth, composed of just over
10,000 square miles. All Arab states surrounding Israel, 23 in number,
consist of almost 2,300,000 square miles. Israel, smaller than the state
of
New Jersey, could fit into Lake Ontario. Arabs who do not want to live
here
have where to go. We don’t.

Any Arab who is unwilling to live peacefully with us, abiding by our
conditions, and who does not leave must know that he will be treated
accordingly.

Last, but surely not least – perhaps most importantly, the people of
Israel,
the Jewish people, both those living in the State of Israel and around
the
world, must recognize that the Land of Israel belongs to us, it is our
home,
it is our legitimate right to be here, in all our land, and not only
doesn’t
anyone have the right to take it away from us, but neither do we have the
right to relinquish it to anyone. This is our land. Having so declared,
we
will not need to fight a war, because our enemies, realizing our
convictions, realizing our strength, will pick up and leave.

With blessings from Hebron.

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