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| Posted By | Discussion Topic: O&A's ignorant Clinton bashing - dumb punks | ||||
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| IkeaBoy P.L.F. Portugese Liberation Front- Liberating Status' everywhere from the Tyranny of Portugal I will die a traitor's death | posted on 01-31-2002 @ 8:17 PM |    | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Sep. 00  | Let me preface by saying I don't like either Clinton or Bush. O&A don't bash Clinton for getting a blow job. They're bashing him for things worth bashing him about. It's the fact we focused on the unimportant oral sex that caused us to miss a big picture that caused 9/11. how could 9/11 be George W. Bush's fault? He was only a few months, he couldn't really up security that much since then. It was during Bill's 8 years that we allowed these people to train. Clinton being lax on foreign policy? HOw about the fucking COLE!!! and we don't run bcn but O&A is a talk show so that might be why you didn't hear music.  "It appears my wee wee has been strucken with rigor mortis." This message was edited by IkeaBoy on 1-31-02 @ 8:21 PM | ||||
| drkn2forget | posted on 01-31-2002 @ 8:18 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01 | quote: I take it you not in Public Relations either 
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| diceisgod I ALWAYS LOSE. | posted on 01-31-2002 @ 8:20 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 01 | quote:What do you teach?  Nobody fucks with Dice, Dice does the fuckin! | ||||
| TigerlilyTwo | posted on 01-31-2002 @ 8:20 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 02 | Alice in Chains: Don't you find it kind of disturbing that so many people listen to O& A and they don't even know they are being lied to about 9/11? | ||||
| IkeaBoy P.L.F. Portugese Liberation Front- Liberating Status' everywhere from the Tyranny of Portugal I will die a traitor's death | posted on 01-31-2002 @ 8:23 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Sep. 00 | what are they being lied to about? "It appears my wee wee has been strucken with rigor mortis." | ||||
| PVT.SNOWBALL | posted on 01-31-2002 @ 8:24 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 01 | Alice in Chains: Don't you find it kind of disturbing that so many people listen to O& A and they don't even know they are being lied to about 9/11?.....????? Tigerlily...I've Read many articles on the "lies" of 9/11 from sites ranging fron Jeff Rense to Indepenent Media Center . Not one of the stories has ever come up with hard concrete evidence of any lies . By your last post one could be led to believe that O&A had something to do with 9/11 . O&A are here to entertain us...what they say is meant to amuse most and to offend those who don't get it . As far as 9/11 goes,all I do know is that 3000 people died on that day through no fault of their own and that some crazy idiots who hate the U.S. are totally bent on bringing about it's downfall and killing as many Americans as they can in the process. That means you and me dumbass .Right now I'm more concerned about our men and women who are fighting so you can maintain the right to spew you liberal reactionist crap . Try to focus on the real important shit right now , Ya know..shit like preserving our Union and protecting our CUNTry and don't worry about what O&A say about Clinton . Even Hillary thinks he's an asswipe. | ||||
| TigerlilyTwo | posted on 01-31-2002 @ 8:24 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 02 | Hey Skeet. The abortion issue is a really sad one, I agree. Did you know Bush paid for his underage girlfriend to have an abortion before abortion was legal? Are there other liberal "agendas" that piss you off too? | ||||
| WilliamPitt | posted on 01-31-2002 @ 8:25 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 02 | Yeah, Alice, we pop out of the woodwork, and all you have are fag jokes. Try something different. http://www.WillPitt.com When Rush Limbaugh dies, they'll give him an enema and bury him in a shoebox. | ||||
| aclu | posted on 01-31-2002 @ 8:26 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 02 | gwb was caught sleeping on the job on 9/11. If he and the republicans are so superior then they had plenty of time. I know it, you know, O&A know it. They are just so jealous of Bill Clinton that they always want to slime him. | ||||
| IkeaBoy P.L.F. Portugese Liberation Front- Liberating Status' everywhere from the Tyranny of Portugal I will die a traitor's death | posted on 01-31-2002 @ 8:27 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Sep. 00 | Actually, I'm trying to talk intelligently you're not responding to my comments though. It's not like the terrorists said "we can't do this with Bill in office, we have to wait for Bush" "It appears my wee wee has been strucken with rigor mortis." This message was edited by IkeaBoy on 1-31-02 @ 8:29 PM | ||||
| CJMello | posted on 01-31-2002 @ 8:29 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 02 | I'm just waiting for an answer. "Spitters are Quitters." | ||||
| TigerlilyTwo | posted on 01-31-2002 @ 8:29 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 02 | You said it aclu! Alot of it is jealousy. And Damn, there's so much more to Bush and 9/11 than most people know. | ||||
| WhackBagKid TALK TO ME, GOMEZ. HE WHO IS #1. | posted on 01-31-2002 @ 8:30 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00 | SHUT THE FUCK UP  I Will Be Your Dixie Chicken | ||||
| WilliamPitt | posted on 01-31-2002 @ 8:30 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 02 | I teach english lit and journalism. IkeaBoy, your questions require an elaborate response. I linked stuff that would answer it, but that didn't scan, so here's the text: There is a school of thought, espoused primarily by Republicans, that any investigation into potentially dishonorable or illegal actions by the Bush administration is tantamount to treason. We are at war, undeclared though it may be, and Bush must be free to prosecute this war vigorously, so as to defend our freedom and bring the murderers of American civilians to justice. If reports recently aired on CNN have any credence, however, Bush and his people may well have to answer for actions that make the Enron catastrophe look like a jaywalking offense, actions that led directly to the incredible carnage in New York and Washington, D.C. In 1998, during the Clinton administration, the U.S.-based energy concern Unocal canceled plans to exploit massive natural gas deposits in Turkmenistan. They had planned to run a pipeline from Turkmenistan to Pakistan, where the natural gas could have been processed for Asian and Western energy markets. The idea was scuttled after Clinton ordered the cruise missile bombing of Afghanistan in response to a terrorist attack upon U.S. embassies in Africa which were planned and executed by Osama bin Laden. The pipeline would have had to pass through Afghanistan, and Unocal was given the message in Technicolor by Clinton's people that Taliban-controlled Afghanistan was not to be given any sort of financial boon. Apparently, the Bush administration found no moral dilemma in dealing with the Taliban to get to the gas. Immediately upon their arrival in Washington, a vigorous courtship of the Taliban was undertaken by Bush's people. In fact, if former U.N. weapons inspector Richard Butler is to be believed, the Bush administration had a vested interest in strengthening and stabilizing the Taliban regime, because a stable regime would compel investors to revive the Turkmenistan natural gas pipeline deal. The Taliban, demon of the moment, was the Bush administration's idea of a 'stable' government. Stable enough, anyway, to see the pipeline through. The connections between Bush and the Taliban became so close that the Taliban went so far as to hire an expert on U.S. public relations named Laila Helms, so as to smooth the way between the two regimes. Meetings between the two nations continued at a high level, the last of which occurred in August, scant weeks before the September 11th attacks. All of these actions were taken to exploit the vast energy reserves in Turkmenistan for the benefit of American energy corporations. The cozy relationship between Bush and the Taliban frustrated the investigative efforts of former Deputy Director of the FBI John O'Neill. O'Neill was the FBI's chief bin Laden hunter, in charge of the investigations into the bin Laden-connected bombings of the World Trade Center in 1993, the destruction of an American troop barracks in Saudi Arabia in 1996, the African embassy bombings in 1998, and the attack upon the U.S.S. Cole in 2000. O'Neill quit the FBI in protest two weeks before the destruction of the World Trade Center towers. He did so because his investigation was hindered by the Bush administration's connections to the Taliban, and by the interests of American petroleum companies. O'Neill was quoted as stating, "The main obstacles to investigating Islamic terrorism were U.S. oil corporate interests, and the role played by Saudi Arabia in it." After leaving the FBI, O'Neill took a position as head of security for the World Trade Center. He died on September 11th, 2001, trying to save people trapped by the attack, when the towers came down on top of him. The irony in this, simply, is horrifying. In essence, the Federal agent who knew more about bin Laden than any living American was kept from investigating terrorist threats against this country. He was hindered because the Bush administration was desperate to cultivate the favor of the Taliban, who held terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden in great esteem, so as to gain access to lucrative natural gas deposits in Turkmenistan. If these allegations prove true, Bush and his friends allowed this affinity to hamstring investigations that could have thwarted bin Laden's September plans. If these allegations prove true, everything since September 11th has been a massive cover-up operation in which American soldiers and thousands of Afghan civilians have died. If these allegations prove true, the Bush administration has the blood of thousands of American civilians on its hands. If these allegations carry even the faintest whiff of credibility, George W. Bush and members of his administration stand in taint of high treason and murder. On November 7th, 2000, a clear majority of Americans came to the conclusion that George W. Bush was unfit to govern this nation. For a variety of dark and controversial reasons, that conclusion was thrown over. Sometime soon, if the media's electronic web continues to carry these sordid stories of corruption, greed and death, the American people will come to fully understand the consequences of that failed election. It is one thing to coddle and court a corrupt energy company for political and financial gain. It is quite another to coddle and court a murderous terrorist-supporting regime, hindering anti-terrorism investigations in the process, for the purpose of exploiting valuable natural resources. The former cost a number of people their retirement funds. The latter has cost thousands of people their lives. One is criminal. The other is abominable. George W. Bush is deeply implicated in both. There will be hell to pay. http://www.willpitt.com/HellToPay.htm - - - - - It has been widely reported that 13 of the 19 terrorists who commandeered the aircraft on September 11th were from Saudi Arabia, and that some 80% of all Al Qaeda recruits come from that oil-rich nation. It stands to reason, therefore, that American Intelligence agencies would have a vested interest in paying a great deal of attention to Saudi Arabia. Somehow, however, these terrorists managed to elude notice until they appeared in the blue New York sky. American security concerns overseas fall primarily within the bailiwick of the Central Intelligence Agency. This agency was run in the 1970s by none other than George Herbert Walker Bush, father of the sitting Commander in Chief and a former President himself. Bush Sr. ranks among the most venerated members of the Old Guard from the Nixon and Reagan days, and commands the loyalty of government officials past and present. Because of his long years in politics, Bush Sr. also enjoys a vast array of business connections. This is common knowledge, available in any updated high school history textbook. Since his departure from the political scene, however, the activities of Bush Sr. have not been paid much attention by the national media. Supporters of the former President would be pleased to know that he has done quite well for himself. He has, in the days since his defeat at the hands of William Jefferson Clinton, secured a position on the advisory board of an organization called the Carlyle Group. The Carlyle Group is a multi-national, multi-billion dollar private investment firm, managed by former members of the Reagan and Bush administrations, and is involved in everything from soda bottling to pharmaceuticals manufacture. It is here that Bush Sr., whose contacts with Saudi Arabia have been legend since the forming of the Gulf War coalition, comes into play. As early as January of 2000, Bush Sr. was courting the favor of Saudi crown prince Abdullah in the name of Carlyle, which was working with the telecommunications giant SBC to gain control of a large share of the Saudi phone system. He has, over the years, done similar outreach work for Carlyle's oil interests, because the petroleum/energy business is central to the Group's financial strength. It has long been true that the business of America is business, to the detriment of many other important factors. Given the connections between the former President and head of CIA, a major energy business player, and a nation that contains oil and terrorists in equal measure, questions about conflict of interest must be raised. The American petroleum industry relies upon the stability of Saudi Arabia to keep their oil flowing in the proper fashion. Because the business of America is business, it is not too far a leap to conclude that the business of the American Intelligence community is also business, deliberately so. Public questions about and investigations into Saudi Arabia's hosting of terrorists like Osama bin Laden, whose family calls that nation home, would certainly make it difficult for the American petroleum industry to work comfortably with the Saudi regime. Add to this the fact that the CIA, whose job it would be to investigate terrorist connections in Saudi Arabia, claims as its former head Bush Sr., who has a vested financial interests in healthy and unobstructed U.S.-Saudi relations. The result of this line of inquiry is chilling. Could the CIA have been dissuaded from fully investigating the roots of terrorism in Saudi Arabia because such investigations would have conflicted with the interests of entities like the Carlyle Group? If this was not the case, the explanation must be chalked up to simple incompetence. Considering the complexity of what transpired on September 11th, the simple answer is not reliable. Occam's Razor fails in the face of the facts. The sins of the father may well have been visited upon the son. George W. Bush's affinity for the energy industry is well-known, and his personal financial involvement in a number of oil businesses before his political career is part of the record. His administration is riddled with dozens of high-ranking appointees who held a large amount of stock in the now-defunct Enron corporation. Many of these people are also former Enron employees. Enron, a giant in the energy industry, contributed millions to Bush's political aspirations. The company was heavily involved with Vice President Cheney, himself an energy industry veteran from the Halliburton Petroleum Corporation, in the creation of national energy policy behind closed, locked doors. Enron's dazzling financial implosion on December 2nd, 2001, has led to a number of pressing investigations into the circumstances behind the collapse. More than a few questions about the financial and political connections between Enron's chairman, Kenneth Lay, and George W. Bush have been raised. The intense scrutiny has shaken loose two emails sent by Lay to his employees in August of last year. In them, Lay waxes optimistic about the strength and stability of his company, and exhorts his employees to buy into the company's stock program. Most observers view this as the gasping lies of a drowning criminal, desperate to keep his operation from flying apart under the burden of his and his associates' shoddy business practices. When held up against recently revealed information, however, Mr. Lay's messages must be considered in a different light. A book recently published in France titled 'Osama bin Laden: The Hidden Truth' by Jean-Charles Brisard and Guillaume Dasique has put some serious questions on the table for consideration. In 1998, American oil company Unocal's attempt to build a pipeline from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan to Pakistan, in order to exploit the vast Turkmenistan natural gas fields, was foiled by Osama bin Laden's attack on American embassies in Africa. The Clinton administration forbade any company from dealing with the Taliban, protectors of bin Laden, who were in control of Afghanistan at the time. Upon his arrival in Washington D.C. in 2000, Bush revived negotiations with the Taliban to see this pipeline through. High-level talks between Washington and Kabul continued through August of 2001 to this very purpose. The Bush administration was trying to get the Taliban on board with the pipeline idea, and believed they could depend upon the regime to be stable enough to see it built. The rationale for these actions is simplicity itself: Bush's campaign was funded by the energy industry, and negotiations like this were their payoff. The business of America is business. Problems arise when one considers the fact that the chief bin Laden hunter in America, former Deputy Director John O'Neill, quit his post in protest some two weeks before the September 11th attacks. O'Neill had been the lead investigator in several previous bin Laden-controlled attacks, and was considered to be the most knowledgeable man in America about the terrorist mastermind's activities and capabilities. He quit in frustration, stating that his efforts at capturing bin Laden had been thwarted by oil interests in America, and by a desire by powerful people to protect America's relationship with Saudi Arabia. After leaving the FBI, O'Neill took a job at head of security at the World Trade Center, and died in the September 11th attack. The irony of this is agonizing. O'Neill knew that bin Laden called Afghanistan home. Was he kept from pursuing the terrorist there by an administration that wanted to protect its relationship with the Taliban in order to see the pipeline through? Did his departure create a security gap in America that allowed the attacks to take place? Conversely, did America's dalliance with the Taliban incite bin Laden to attack? It is well documented that his terrorist career began with the arrival of American troops onto Saudi soil, a land he considered sacred. Was he motivated to attack again when his new home seemed ready to allow the Crusaders in? Finally, does this pipeline deal shine a light onto the emailed optimism of Kenneth Lay? There is no question that Enron was Bush's favorite company. If the pipeline was to happen, it is easy to imagine that Enron would get the contract. Lay would have known this. His last email was sent on August 27th, about the same time as the last U.S./Taliban meeting. If a deal was near at hand, and if he knew that his company was about to get a plum government contract, he had every reason to be optimistic about the future. Is this why Arthur Andersen was ordered to shred documents? Did those documents detail the preparations for the pipeline, thus demonstrating beyond doubt that Bush was dealing with the Taliban? Were the consequences of releasing these documents more damaging than the consequences of destroying them because of this? It will be a long hot season before we know the half of it. One thing, however, is certain. Not long from today, we will stand in observance. Before we know it, one year will have passed since the attacks of September 11th, 2001. We will light candles, unfurl wind-tattered flags, sing patriotic songs, and remember the dead. In that year we will have mourned for those lost, and mourned the passing of an age of innocence in America. The oceans that separate us, the armies that guard us, the weapons that make others fear us, protected us not at all on September 11th. The security we felt before that day is gone forever. We deserve to know why. http://www.truthout.com/01.20A.Hell.2.Pay.htm http://www.WillPitt.com When Rush Limbaugh dies, they'll give him an enema and bury him in a shoebox. | ||||
| IkeaBoy P.L.F. Portugese Liberation Front- Liberating Status' everywhere from the Tyranny of Portugal I will die a traitor's death | posted on 01-31-2002 @ 8:32 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Sep. 00 | did anyone else realize that tiger, aclu and pitt aren't doing anything but congratulating themsevles? "It appears my wee wee has been strucken with rigor mortis." | ||||
| TigerlilyTwo | posted on 01-31-2002 @ 8:32 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 02 | Could be some of us heard the show and thought, they really shouldn't be lying about something so important. | ||||
| CJMello | posted on 01-31-2002 @ 8:34 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 02 | Ya IkeaBoy, its called a circlejerk. I tire of waiting for Pitt to answer my post. Have to run. Waiting for proof of his comments, RE: Rush and I. "Spitters are Quitters." | ||||
| TigerlilyTwo | posted on 01-31-2002 @ 8:35 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 02 | Do you happen to know anything about Poppy Bush's connections to the CIA or anything about how and when these training camps actually got started? It ain't pretty. | ||||
| IkeaBoy P.L.F. Portugese Liberation Front- Liberating Status' everywhere from the Tyranny of Portugal I will die a traitor's death | posted on 01-31-2002 @ 8:35 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Sep. 00 | I'm not saying Bush isn't guilty- he's as much as an oil company bitch as anyone. I'm just saying that Bill Clinton isn't exactly innocent in the entire situation. "It appears my wee wee has been strucken with rigor mortis." This message was edited by IkeaBoy on 1-31-02 @ 8:39 PM | ||||
| WilliamPitt | posted on 01-31-2002 @ 8:36 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 02 | My work is done here. I apologize for bringing serious issues to an obviously vapid forum. But if any of you have the ear of O&A, let them know that I am out here and will embarrass them badly the next time they take a topic like 9/11 and treat it with such total obnoxious irreverence. It is disrespectful to the dead and damaging to the living. I will not let it stand. So...go on back to discussing the lingerie. Click a few porno links. The world is your vapid little oyster. See ya. http://www.WillPitt.com When Rush Limbaugh dies, they'll give him an enema and bury him in a shoebox. | ||||
| TigerlilyTwo | posted on 01-31-2002 @ 8:37 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 02 | You got me there too! | ||||
| IkeaBoy P.L.F. Portugese Liberation Front- Liberating Status' everywhere from the Tyranny of Portugal I will die a traitor's death | posted on 01-31-2002 @ 8:39 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Sep. 00 | And what CIA connection? You mean that George Bush Sr. was the Head of the CIA!? Oh my god! HIDDEN INFORMATION. YOU GUYS ARE INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISTS GODS And come on, we are trying to respond intelligently. you just post stuff from YOUR website and when you realize you aren't changing anyone's opinion you run away like PUSSIES "It appears my wee wee has been strucken with rigor mortis." | ||||
| aclu | posted on 01-31-2002 @ 8:40 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 02 | Too bad O&A and all of you are just so jealous of Bill Clinton. And you know what? Every time you guys bash on Bill, it's obvious why. It's your boy who f*d up BIG TIME. This happened on the Repub watch. I congratulate myself for not being a republican. | ||||
| fbdlingfrg wow, my name looks odd without 5 lines of type below it in bold and purple and red G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Red Wings Captain Cecil JBA~Remove the Pick & Click NOW! | posted on 01-31-2002 @ 8:40 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | so...how about tht genocide in zaire? | ||||
| WilliamPitt | posted on 01-31-2002 @ 8:40 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 02 | I'm not running anywhere. I answered your question by posting stuff I had previously compiled. Try again. http://www.WillPitt.com When Rush Limbaugh dies, they'll give him an enema and bury him in a shoebox. | ||||
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