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Spork
posted on 10-05-2001 @ 11:42 PM      
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Registered: Jun. 01
Well, this shoud add some help to the Canadiens, who were generally seen as missing an offensive threat what with Saku Koivu out for his chemotherapy (unlike Dana Dillon, his doctor's didn't advise him to shave his head before the chemo, but his hair did indeed fall out).

I think it's always good to have that one sage veteran in a group of young guys.

I watched the Habs play Ottawa yesterday and it actually looked like they had a bigger problem with defense than offense. The Canadiens need depth anyway, I'm still worried about when THIS year's rash of injuries is going to happen.

This will make the race for those final three or so spots in the Eastern conference that much closer. I know that a lot of people are writing off the Canadiens, but I dunno, if they can stay healthy and with the addition of Gilmour they should be vying for that eight spot come the end of the season...


quote:

Gilmour signs with Canadiens

(Oct 5) MONTREAL (CP) - The Montreal Canadiens, desperate for help at centre after the loss of Saku Koivu, were close to signing veteran Doug Gilmour on Friday.

"It is not done. We are still in negotiations," Gilmour's agent, Larry Kelly, said from his Ottawa office Friday afternoon. The one-year deal worth $1.8 million US with a club option worth $2 million US. The Ottawa Senators and St. Louis Blues were the other teams reportedly interested in Gilmour.

A spokesman for the Canadiens said Friday afternoon he was unaware of the signing.

Earlier Friday, when asked about speculation that the Canadiens would sign Gilmour, defenceman Craig Rivet did a double-take, but then called the veteran centre "a great player."

"He has a lot of leadership," Rivet said. "If we move to bring him in it would be a great addition to our club."

Gilmour's arrival would likely cause a shuffle in lines coach Michel Therrien has had in place since training camp.

Yanic Perreault, who centred the top line in the season opener in Ottawa on Thursday, could be bumped to the wing and right-winger Oleg Petrov moved to another line, setting off a chain reaction on other trios.

Gilmour, 38, has played for St. Louis, Calgary, Toronto, New Jersey, Chicago and Buffalo.

He had seven goals and 31 assists last season in 71 games with Buffalo.







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posted on 10-06-2001 @ 1:09 AM      
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I thought Gilmour was going to finally call it a career. Is it me, or does it seem like every year is supposed to be his last?


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posted on 10-06-2001 @ 1:12 AM      
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Registered: Oct. 00
quote:

Is it me, or does it seem like every year is supposed to be his last?



In this day and age, you cant officially be gone from a sport until you retire 3 or 4 seperate times minimum. Gilmour is just another example of an athlete that has no clue, or no qualifications, to do anything else with himself in life.

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Psycho Bitch
posted on 10-06-2001 @ 1:31 AM      
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Registered: Jul. 01
quote:

In this day and age, you cant officially be gone from a sport until you retire 3 or 4 seperate times minimum.



Just ask Mario Lemieux or Michael Jordan (each retired how many times??)

quote:

Is it me, or does it seem like every year is supposed to be his last?



And wasn't Cal Ripken Jr.supposed to retire LAST year??

Mark Maguire threatened to retire at the beginning of this season due to a slump...
Who else?


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Spork
posted on 10-06-2001 @ 11:53 AM      
Psychopath
Registered: Jun. 01
Some would say that Gretzky hung on too long, but at least when he retired he didn't make too big of a deal out of it and go on a "retirement tour."

Think of all those poor bastards who paid $1000 a ticket or more to see "Jordan's last game."

What makes the pro athlete tick? I guess we shouldn't forget that they do play a game for a living.

Unlike the rest of us poor bastards, they've got a FUN job that they get paid gobs of money to do. Sure there is that competitive spirit that they have, and when so many people are a fan of yours ego comes into play as well I guess.

But it is getting frustrating to see all of these players un-retire.

It's really not a financial thing anymore. I'm sure that when Guy Lafleur un-retired he did it for the money (the guy continued to smoke two or three packs a day even after he came back - that's one costly addiction right there), but today's athletes? It can't possibly be about money. They're all just crazy!




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posted on 10-06-2001 @ 12:37 PM      
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Registered: Jul. 01
Tell me about it...I traveled up to Boston for Mario's "last game" after the second time he retired. They had this big ceremony for him. He cried, we cried, Bourque cried...it seems really silly now. When he retires again we'll all just be like pffft yeah ok, whatever.

In his defense though he came back to help his team (which he now part owns) because of failing ticket sales. The Pens had been losing a lot of money. He gets paid the league minimum and that all goes back to the team anyway. As for Jordan, I'm not sure of his reasons for coming back but I do know he is also making the minimum salary allowed and is donating all of it to charities.


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Beginnings are scary. Endings are usually sad, but it's what's in the middle that counts. So, when you find yourself at the beginning, just give hope a chance to float up. And it will.


Francine Banger
posted on 10-06-2001 @ 12:40 PM      
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Without Gilmour, the Canadiens weren't going to do anything this year........ But with Gilmour..... They still aren't going to do anything.

Spork
posted on 10-06-2001 @ 1:09 PM      
Psychopath
Registered: Jun. 01
Canadiens have 2 points so far.
Rangers have 0 points so far.

The Rangers can keep trying to buy the cup all they want, but it's not going to happen.

I was surprised at how well the Canadiens looked. I was surprised at how poor the Rangers looked.

The Canadiens are banding together, rallying around their captain who is stricken with cancer. One can never underestimate the heart of these guys. They've battled through a lot.

Hey, you're probably right, I mean the Canadiens have half the payroll that the Rangers do, but I think by the end of the season those two teams will likely be fighting for that same 8th place spot.




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posted on 10-06-2001 @ 1:42 PM      
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quote:

Just ask Mario Lemieux or Michael Jordan (each retired how many times??)



Mario retired 2 times because of injury, he had freakin cancer, and he came back to help his team, he is a loyal pittsburgh penguin, and i respect that, the same cant b said for that assmunch michael jordan

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posted on 10-06-2001 @ 1:59 PM      
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Registered: Aug. 00
rage, lemieux may be a dedicated penguin, but he's a tool on defense and he's a bit of a selfish son of a bitch for naming himself captain last week. that's just my opinion tho.
and gilmour may help the habs have a decent year for a change. spork, you're right tho, they need more help on defense first.


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Spork
posted on 10-06-2001 @ 3:12 PM      
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Registered: Jun. 01
Montreal has incredible depth on defense... too bad all their defensemen suck!

That's their biggest problem, anyone good that they developed or was half way decent is long gone (Eric Desjardins, Chris Chelios, Lyle Odelein, Eric Weinrich, Vladimir Malakhov {an enigma, but still talented}) is LONG gone. Their most promising defenseman is probably Stephane Robidas and no one outside of Montreal has heard of him.

Maybe Sheldon Souray will pan out too, but they don't have a great powerplay QB or any sort of grand offensive threat from the blueline. Signing Stephane Quintal only added to the mediocrity that they currently have, but at least he is fairly steady defensively.

They now have a team of 5th and 6th defensemen, but they've got millions of them.

The Habs need a lot of everything. It IS nice given their injury history that they actually have some depth of mediocrity at least, but hopefully they will add some more talent to that in the future.

As a Canadiens fan, I am at least happy that their current GM has his head on more straight than our last one did. Anyone who trades Patrick Roy and Mike Keane to Colorado for Martin Rucinsky, Andrei Kovalenko and Jocelyn Thibault, regardless of the circumstances, can't be good for anyone's team!




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Francine Banger
posted on 10-06-2001 @ 6:27 PM      
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Registered: Dec. 00
quote:

Canadiens have 2 points so far.
Rangers have 0 points so far.



You got me there. Thats an excellent comparison there.

1 game into an 82 game season is definetly a good time to start comparing teams Point Totals.

That Devils-Capitals Game tonight is critical in the East. The Loser will have 0 Points, while the winner will have 2 points! I dont know if there will be enough time for the loser to rebound!

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posted on 10-06-2001 @ 10:34 PM      
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:::sarcasm::: Banger, u of all people should know that the first game is the most important.::: sarcasm,:::

Gilmour should retire, he has plenty of money to live off of.



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posted on 10-06-2001 @ 11:28 PM      
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Registered: Mar. 01
This guy must not even unpack when signs with a new team. Hang'em up already Dougie!!!



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Spork
posted on 10-07-2001 @ 1:48 AM      
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Registered: Jun. 01
quote:

You got me there. Thats an excellent comparison there.

1 game into an 82 game season is definetly a good time to start comparing teams Point Totals.

That Devils-Capitals Game tonight is critical in the East. The Loser will have 0 Points, while the winner will have 2 points! I dont know if there will be enough time for the loser to rebound!



Sarcasm aside, early games are important because they set the tone for the season. Can a team recover from a bad start? Absolutely, but so too can teams build on what they are doing early in the season.

Do you think that the Capitals beating the New Jersey Devils 6-1 isn't important?

That to me is like saying that the Devils' 8-0 victory over the Canadiens in their season opener last year was meaningless. It set a tone.

Again though the addition of Gilmour will help the Canadiens at least to a limited degree. It is foolhardy to write off the Canadiens as you have already - or any other team for that matter this early in the season.

That in essence was my point. It's wrong to suggest that after one game the Canadiens having a better record than the Rangers means anything in the grand scheme of things - indeed - but it is no more silly than your ruling that the Canadiens "aren't going to do anything this season" when you haven't even seen them play.

You can base your judgment on paper, or what happened last year, but they don't play the games on paper, and when you start the season you've got 0 points just like all the other teams.

Why play the games if everything is predetermined?




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Francine Banger
posted on 10-07-2001 @ 2:18 AM      
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Registered: Dec. 00
quote:

That to me is like saying that the Devils' 8-0 victory over the Canadiens in their season opener last year was meaningless. It set a tone.



The Rangers started off 2-0 last year. What tone was set there?


And Im just giving my opinion on the Canadiens. Is that allowed? This is a Message Board where people throw out their opinions about numerous stuff. And my OPINION is that with or without Doug Gilmour, the Canadiens will not be a Playoff Team. Only time will tell if I am correct.

In a couple months time, we can bring this thread back up and see how things have gone.

If Im wrong, then Oh well.

If Im Right, Then I told you so!!!



This message was edited by Francine Banger on 10-7-01 @ 2:22 AM
Spork
posted on 04-09-2002 @ 11:12 PM      
Psychopath
Registered: Jun. 01
quote:

And Im just giving my opinion on the Canadiens. Is that allowed? This is a Message Board where people throw out their opinions about numerous stuff. And my OPINION is that with or without Doug Gilmour, the Canadiens will not be a Playoff Team. Only time will tell if I am correct.

In a couple months time, we can bring this thread back up and see how things have gone.

If Im wrong, then Oh well.

If Im Right, Then I told you so!!!


Oh well. You're wrong.

Frankly, my comments throughout this thread were fairly measured. Obviously my team didn't have a $60 million dollar payroll to guarantee an easy ride into the playoffs like the Rangers have this year (oh, what's that, the Rangers aren't going to be in the playoffs?)

Thankfully I can look back at all my comments in retrospect and stand behind them. Areas I was critical of my own team in did happen to be weak spots throughout the season, so I'm happy with my Kreskin factor.

Hey, I'm sure you'll come up with some witty rhetort here, and that's great, but really you should just be ashamed of your own team and maybe if the Rangers hadn't taken the same attitude you did earlier in the season they'd be playing some more games in April or May.

Oh well.





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posted on 04-09-2002 @ 11:31 PM      
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so I was wrong. Im sure Im not the only one who didnt think the Canadiens were going to the playoffs.

Give them credit, they dont have as much as talent as the Capitals or Rangers, but they play harder and they are better coached and they came to play when they needed to win games, unlike certain teams who lose to Atlanta 5-2 when they are desperate to win.

Jose Theodore should win the Vezina. I still dont know how they have done it and I would like to say they will get killed in the playoffs. But they are playing better than anybody in the East right now, and there is no dominate team in the East. They have as good a shot as anybody.

I hope they beat Boston if they play in the 1-8 series, lousy Bruins cost me 65 bucks tonight. Your a #1 seed and you cant even beat the lousy Lighning. Fuck them.

quote:

Rangers hadn't taken the same attitude you did earlier in the season they'd be playing some more games in April or May.


No that wasnt the problem. The Rangers were one of the best teams in the league early in the season, so try again on that one. It was once the calendar year hit 2002 that the season went downhill.





This message was edited by Francine Banger on 4-9-02 @ 11:36 PM
Spork
posted on 04-09-2002 @ 11:36 PM      
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Registered: Jun. 01
That's the scary thing, they're not necessarily better coached! At least if you asked ME who I would rather have: Ron Low, Ron Wilson or Michel Therrien, Therrien would easily be my last choice.

He's made several poor coaching and personnel decisions (in terms of who gets scratched etc.) and he coached a team that until these last couple of weeks wasn't sure of its own identity.

The Canadiens tried to sell themselves as a defensive teams, but they let Theodore get absolutely peppered with a SHITLOAD of shots. There were a ton of "too many men" penalties throughout the year.

The bottom line is, if there are two players who made the difference on this team they would be Jose Theodore (who should not only get the Vezina, but I think more importantly should get the Hart for MVP because he truly was just that for Montreal) and... Doug Gilmour! He provided a lot of leadership for this team, and that was very important with Saku Koivu out of the lineup. He was very slow to get his legs back, but he seriously made a huge difference to the team.

The Rangers and Capitals had more problems with chemistry that can be traced more to the owners and GM's of the teams. I don't know why Glen Sather is sitting back and collecting players that everyone hates (Lindros, Fleury, Barnaby, Bure, etc.) but he must have some sort of plan other than pissing away Cablevision money as fast as possible.

All this just gives me a little glimmer of hope that at least in hockey you can't buy a championship.

As for Montreal facing Boston - we'll just have to see. I hope that Gilmour and some others can get in some rest before the playoffs. Like you say, anything can happen in the East or the West for that matter (the West has a far more interesting playoff race).




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posted on 04-10-2002 @ 12:44 PM      
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The west is absolutely insane right now. By the way, I think it's great to see the Habs back in the playoffs (although I'm still pissed about the 93 semis ;) ), and I hope they do a number on the B's just to shut up all the assholes up here in New England (another example of one team for 5 or so states, now that the Whalers are no more). The return of Koivu last night was just amazing, I've seen cancer hit my family on multiple occasions and know how much it sucks, and to be able to come back and perform as he did is just wondeful for him as a person and for the sport of hockey as a whole.
Although I shall be rooting for the Isles first and foremost, and the Kings secondly (gotta stick with Ziggy), I will also be hoping that Koivu and the Habs can work some magic in the postseason.


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posted on 04-10-2002 @ 5:34 PM      
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You're fuckin' right the West is insane right now! As for the Habs, the reason they're in is: Jose Theodore. He was there best player no doubt. My pick for Most Valuable Player to his team...




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2. Hate the Braves with a passion


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Spork
posted on 04-10-2002 @ 7:45 PM      
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Registered: Jun. 01
Yes, well I hope that Jose Theodore wins the Hart trophy. There's no question that he's so far and above the only reason why the Canadiens are going to the playoffs.

Jarome Iginla has been incredible this year on a shitty team, but unless you are doubling the next leading scorer, I don't think you should win the MVP if your team doesn't make the playoffs.

Theodore should have a good shot at the Vezina, and I hope that they give Saku Koivu the Bill Masterton for "the National Hockey League player who best exemplifies the qualities of perseverance, sportsmanship and dedication to hockey."

You guys mention '93 and it seems like so long ago now that they were hoisting Lord Stanley above their collective heads. It's good to see that they've sort of turned the corner as an organization and that I have a faint glimmer of hope that they might even turn a few more heads in the playoffs.

I really think that the bottom half of the East (Senators, Islanders, Devils, Canadiens) is more dangerous than the top half at this point!




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rageparty
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posted on 04-10-2002 @ 9:50 PM      
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Iginla won't get the MVP award because of one reason, his team isnt in the playoffs. Theodore definetley desrves it most. Especially the way this team turned around, besides Iginla and Theodore there is like nobody who would come close to those 2 in the MVP runnings...




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1. 94 Wins and NL East Title by the Mets this year


2. Hate the Braves with a passion


3. All 5 Starters have winning records this year


4. Mets win World Series!!!




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