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| Posted By | Discussion Topic: intentional grounding??? | ||||
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| nj_voodoo | posted on 11-19-2001 @ 4:35 PM |    | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00  | My fellow sports fans... can you help me with a NFL rule or non-rule. Here's the situation; A long completion for a first down. The clock is ticking away, and the offense is out of time outs. The QB gets under center, takes the snap. One step drop, the QB spikes the ball behind the centers ass. Time stops, move on to second down. Okay. The QB is not outside the tackle box, the ball didn't make it back to the line of scrimmage...isn't this intentional grounding? | ||||
| NASA | posted on 11-19-2001 @ 5:06 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Sep. 01 | This is from an August 10 edition of Rules School on NFL.com Tim Farris, Madera, Calif.: How come when a QB spikes the ball to stop the clock, he is not penalized for intentional grounding? These are two separate rules. In intentional grounding, the QB is penalized for the attempt to save a loss of yardage. It is not a foul to spike the ball in an attempt to stop the clock. Keep in mind the only legal way to spike the ball to stop the clock is to take the snap from under center and immediately spike the ball into the ground. Thanks for your question.  GodBlessAmerica. | ||||
| nj_voodoo | posted on 11-19-2001 @ 5:51 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00 | Thanks NASA, I have been wondering about that for a while. I think the game would be a lot better with out the spike rule. I believe that Eagles QB McNabb was penilized for intentional grounding in Last Sundays game against Dallas during a screen pass. I ref stated the he did not make a concerted effort to get the receiver the ball. This must be a new rule.... | ||||
| Ferret | posted on 11-21-2001 @ 1:09 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00 | Going by the book (literally) intentional grounding is when the QB throws the ball away to avoid taking a sack. If the ball is spiked immediately after taking the snap, there's no chance for the defense to get pressure on him to where grounding would be called. Given how often QB's throw the ball away to avoid getting sacked, this is rule that definitely needs to be rewritten.  | ||||
| Spork | posted on 11-21-2001 @ 2:18 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | The big key on their latest revision to the rule is whether or not the quarterback is in the pocket. If you're in the pocket and you just throw it into an area where no receiver could catch the ball then it's intentional grounding. If, however, you're scrambling and you get outside the pocket (the pocket being a rather flexible thing, much like the "strike zone") you're pretty much free to get rid of the ball however you please with no penalty whasoever. In some ways it's a crappy rule, but it does protect the quarterbacks so that they can escape the season with only 5 concussions and not 10, so it's not all that bad.  Thank you to all the brave volunteers who brought us all together as a country, and thank you to those of you brave soldiers who will fight and have fought for our country. We are a free people because of your efforts. | ||||
| NASA | posted on 11-21-2001 @ 5:32 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Sep. 01 | I still find Intentional grounding a very confusing rule. Sometimes I am convinced "Hey that's IG, no doubt about it," and the entire sideline is jumping up and down yelling at the referee, and he doesn't throw the flag. Last year Kent Graham took like four steps before spiking the ball and it was obvious it was more than a step, and no flag was thrown. And trick spikes are supposed to fool the other team, not the officials, like they often do.  GodBlessAmerica. | ||||
| Spork | posted on 11-21-2001 @ 5:56 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | Look on the bright side, it might be confusing, but at least it's not the CFL - three downs, one-point for a missed field goal that doesn't make it out of the end-zone, 110 yards on the field, a bigger ball. Trust me, NFL fans are getting off easy :) Thank you to all the brave volunteers who brought us all together as a country, and thank you to those of you brave soldiers who will fight and have fought for our country. We are a free people because of your efforts. | ||||
| nj_voodoo | posted on 11-22-2001 @ 8:24 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00 | bigger ball??? like rugby? did Fluite fumble alot during his run in the CFL? | ||||
| The Sleeper Being a Minor is a Threat to my Social Life PoseUr i ahve 2 threads at teh top, i feel like maynard | posted on 11-22-2001 @ 8:33 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | quote: Hey, I can miss field goals and they wont even come close to making it out of the endzone. When are tryouts?  This message was edited by The Sleeper on 11-22-01 @ 8:36 PM | ||||
| Spork | posted on 11-22-2001 @ 9:49 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | quote: Well, it's pretty funny because the NFL draws higher ratings in Canada than the CFL does, so the kids in the CFL marketing department were trying to come up with a sassy new campaign to battle the foreign interlopers. Their idea? T-shirts that declared: The CFL. We've got bigger balls. As for Flutie, the guy really set the league on fire. He was a dominating force with the B.C. Lions and the Calgary Stampeders and played with his brother Darren Flutie - which was quite a deadly passing/receiving combo (yes, he's the deek on the 10-10-321 ads). But honestly, I didn't pay too much attention to the CFL growing up in Canada, I wanted to watch some real football! Prior to Flutie's re-emergence I think the CFL's biggest name out of there was probably Warren Moon who won a couple of Grey Cups with the Edmonton Eskimos... and I remember Rocket Ismail was a big deal when he played for the Toronto Argonauts. Don't forget, this was a NINE team league that had two teams with the SAME NAME! (No joke, the Saskatchewan Roughriders and the Ottawa Rough Riders!!!) Thank you to all the brave volunteers who brought us all together as a country, and thank you to those of you brave soldiers who will fight and have fought for our country. We are a free people because of your efforts. | ||||
| Francine Banger | posted on 11-22-2001 @ 11:19 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | quote: I Believe its one point for the other team.  | ||||
| Spork | posted on 11-22-2001 @ 11:33 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | Arguing Canadian Football League rules with a Canadian citizen = always funny! Article 4: Single Point or Rouge If the ball is kicked into the goal area by an opponent, a rouge is scored (1) when the ball becomes dead in possession of a team in its own goal area or (2) when the ball touches or crosses the deadline, or a side-line-in-goal, and touches the ground, a player, or some object beyond these lines. AR Team A kicks to Team B. B1 attempting to catch the ball on Team B 3 yard line, fumbles it and is tackled with the ball in possession in the Team B goal area. Ruling - rouge (ball deemed to have been kicked into goal area by Team A). AR Team A kicks to Team B. B1 catches the ball in the field of play while moving towards own goal line and, in the judgment of the official, the momentum carries B1 into own goal area. Ruling - possession deemed to have been gained in the goal area. After a rouge the team scored against shall next put the ball into play by a scrimmage as first down at any point between the hash marks on its 35-yard line. If the single point was scored as the result of an unsuccessful field goal attempt the team scored against may elect to scrimmage the ball at any point between the hash marks on its own 35 yard line or at the previous line of scrimmage. Note: For the purposes of this Article a drop kick or place kick shall, without exception, be deemed to be a field goal attempt. Note: If during a kickoff the kicked ball proceeds through the goal area and across the deadline or sideline in goal without being touched there shall be no score and the ball shall be awarded to the receiving team at any point between the hash marks on its own 25-yard line. Thank you to all the brave volunteers who brought us all together as a country, and thank you to those of you brave soldiers who will fight and have fought for our country. We are a free people because of your efforts. | ||||
| The Sleeper Being a Minor is a Threat to my Social Life PoseUr i ahve 2 threads at teh top, i feel like maynard | posted on 11-23-2001 @ 12:54 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | Rouge???? What the fuck???? | ||||
| NASA | posted on 11-23-2001 @ 1:11 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Sep. 01 | I'll never understand the whole concept of Canada. :) GodBlessAmerica. | ||||
| nj_voodoo | posted on 11-23-2001 @ 11:28 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00 | Spork, Jeez man! LOL... You have to tell us more aboot the CFL... I am not sure why exactly I am interested in it .... but I guess after reading the rules that you posted and the 2 roughrider teams, I suddenly feel sorry for Canada or really miss the cute shananigans of the XFL! | ||||
| Spork | posted on 11-24-2001 @ 12:05 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | Well, here's another interesting tidbit ABOOT the CFL. Much like the Canadian music industry, the CFL actually has a "Canadian content" rule. Now in the music industry in Canada, each radio station must play 30% Canadian artists. This has gotten a LOT better in recent years because now they can at least (over)play folks like Sarah McLachlan, Alanis Morisette, Barenaked Ladies, Neil Young, Bryan Adams, etc. etc. "Back in the day" it was like 24hrs of Anne Murray and Gordon Lightfoot - ECCCHHHHGHHH! But I digress, in the CFL they actually have these types of quotas as well to keep the "Canadian" in "Canadian Football League." This despite the fact that for a couple of years the CFL actually expanded to the US! In fact, the "Baltimore Stallions" actually won the Grey Cup one year. But basically a CFL roster consists of 36 players. You can only have 16 Americans, or "imports" on that roster! I was just looking on the web to clarify the actual rule and stumbled upon a handicapper's analysis of the situation - pretty funny: quote: And even with all that you can still have only so many imports on the field at any given time! Article 6: Designated Import If a team is using its full complement of import players it shall, prior to the game, designate one import player as a special teams player, who shall be permitted to enter the game at another position only on the understanding that another import player is required to leave the game for that play. Such player may enter the game on an unrestricted basis only if another import player is removed for the balance of the game. If a designated import participates in the game illegally. Penalty: L25 PLS DR or L25 PBD or option. Damn! It is a freaky league, I will say that! Thank you to all the brave volunteers who brought us all together as a country, and thank you to those of you brave soldiers who will fight and have fought for our country. We are a free people because of your efforts. | ||||
| nj_voodoo | posted on 11-24-2001 @ 12:21 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00 | Can you give me the link to the cfl rule book? | ||||
| fbdlingfrg wow, my name looks odd without 5 lines of type below it in bold and purple and red G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Red Wings Captain Cecil JBA~Remove the Pick & Click NOW! | posted on 11-24-2001 @ 12:32 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | damn...that is one weird ass football league.the rules are so strange its almost calvinball | ||||
| Spork | posted on 11-24-2001 @ 12:57 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | quote: Oh, it's an exciting time in the CFL, the Grey Cup (championship) is being held tomorrow between the Calgary Stampeders and the Winnipeg Bluebombers and will be played in Montreal. Here's the link to the site (www.cfl.ca): Visit this Website The rulebook's definitely good for a chuckle or two. It's not bad enough that you get a point for a missed field goal, you also get a point in the standings for an overtime loss. AND there's a "crowd noise" rule despite the fact that your average attendance at games seems to be about 20,000 - 30,000 fans in stadiums that seat 60,000! Oh they've got bigger balls alright :) Thank you to all the brave volunteers who brought us all together as a country, and thank you to those of you brave soldiers who will fight and have fought for our country. We are a free people because of your efforts. | ||||
| NASA | posted on 11-24-2001 @ 1:00 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Sep. 01 | Will the Ga..Gray Cup be broadcast on US television? I'd be interested in watching it. There should be a rule to eliminate those annoying on-field advertisements that I saw on a highlight clip once. GodBlessAmerica. | ||||
| Spork | posted on 11-24-2001 @ 1:32 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | quote: Ehhh, uhhhh, ehhhh - if you know what the fuck station "America One" is I guess the answer to your question is, "Yes." Frankly though I've never heard of that "network." Although I'm sure a company as powerful as the one that puts out "Cowboys & Indians" magazine must have coast-to-coast reach for their hillbilly channel - hahaha! The CFL - such a class act. Thursday, August 30, 2001 CFL signs U.S. television deal wih America One TORONTO - The Canadian Football League is pleased to announce that a deal has been signed with the USFR Media Group, a Houston-based television and magazine company to broadcast CFL games throughout the United States, on the America One Television Network, beginning with games on September 3, 2001. "America One Television serves the audiences we believe will really appreciate the excitement the Canadian Football League provides", offered Mr. Lysko. "Right now, they serve over 130 affiliate stations across the United States, especially reaching audiences in non-urban markets that can develop a rooting interest in our fast-paced game. For many of these viewers, the Canadian Football League can provide teams they can identify with." "The Canadian Football League is a tremendous product", noted Gregory L. Brown, Chairman and CEO of USFR Media Group. "It's exciting, it's fast-paced, and it's played by skilled athletes who really care about the game. In a time when most sports leagues are showing declining ratings, the CFL has grown its television audience by more than 67 % since 1997. We are absolutely delighted that America One will be the exclusive provider of the Canadian Football League in the United States." Matt Hutchings, Senior Vice President, and head of programming for America One, noted that the network will carry a full schedule of 10 live weekly broadcasts on Saturday afternoons, with taped replays of the games on Sunday nights. "In addition to our regular season games, we will give special coverage to the CFL playoffs beginning November 11th, and focus special attention on the game that matters most - the Grey Cup in Montreal on November 25th." Michael Rybarski, Chief Marketing Officer of USFR, added, "The Canadian Football League represents a return to sports the way many Americans think they should be - played by skilled athletes who are playing their hearts out. There are no spoiled children in the CFL. With the energy that Commissioner Lysko and his new team bring to the League, and the commitment America One is making to expand its distribution, we believe this is the beginning of a sporting phenomenon that will grow rapidly with "heartland America" audiences." USFR Media Corp. Inc. is an integrated media holding company located in Houston, Texas. In addition to America One, the Company owns Cowboys & Indians magazine, the premier magazine of the Western lifestyle, and Western & English Today magazine, the leading business-to-business magazine of the Western Industry. Thank you to all the brave volunteers who brought us all together as a country, and thank you to those of you brave soldiers who will fight and have fought for our country. We are a free people because of your efforts. | ||||
| nj_voodoo | posted on 11-25-2001 @ 12:41 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00 | fbd:quote: lol...i was just flipping through one of my own calvin and hobbes books...... calvin ball rocks.... on rule : calvin wins! | ||||
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