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| Posted By | Discussion Topic: Ruiz vs Holyfield 3 this Saturday | ||||
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| TeenWeek what's a status? | posted on 12-13-2001 @ 12:34 PM |    | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00  | Guess no one cares. God it is amazing how far Holyfield's career has fallen since beating Tyson. I think Holyfield is the next Muhammed Ali, not fighter, but the vegetable he is right now. Just listen to his interviews, if you don't agree | ||||
| TeenWeek what's a status? | posted on 12-13-2001 @ 1:45 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | See that's how important this fight is. An hour and half after I posted it, I am the only person who even bothered to look at it. | ||||
| HummerLovin I hope people forgot that I went home with Sandy Kane one night | posted on 12-13-2001 @ 5:44 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | There ya go TW... Now, i've looked at it too. Not cause I cared, but just because it looked so pathetic with only one view of it.... [Insert witty/profound sig line here] Warning: I will be pissed off until June 28th, 2002. HAB 11/5/80-11/20/01. IWALY. | ||||
| Jim Samsonite | posted on 12-14-2001 @ 1:15 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Nov. 01 | At least the fight is not on ppv, just regular HBO. Obviously neither guy is even in the top 10, but it should at least be a competitive fight. That being said, I think there are at least ten more deserving heavyweights that should be getting the attention that Holyfield still gets. BTW, did anybody see Holyfield on the Jim Rome show? Rome asked him if he lost to Ruiz, would he retire, and Holyfield said no, he'd continue to fight until he becomes unified champion. Pretty sad. | ||||
| GonzoStyle | posted on 12-14-2001 @ 11:24 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | Teenweek trust me as pretty much the diehard boxing fan here, boxing posts rarely take off around here. I know that antsinmypants is a pretty well schooled boxing fan. Most people are just the casual fans who know of the big fights, BullNuggets was a pretty big boxing fan back in the day when he was around. But boxing rarely gets the respect it deserves even from sports stations, granted it is largely due to the fact boxing is at fault for being the only sport to charge for it's big events. Would baseball be where it is, if it charged to watch the world series? Would football be where it is if people had to pay 60 bucks to watch the superbowl on PPV? But that is an entirely different discussion. This fight posts no significance except for the fact that it is for a piece of the world championship. Like it or not Lennox Lewis is the recognized world champion but John Ruiz still has the WBA world championship. Yes the same John Ruiz who was knocked out by David Tua in 16 seconds... in the 1st round. His opponent the 3 time former champion who is going to try to become the first man to win the title for a fourth time (Ali & Lewis also won the titles 3 seperate times). But delusional holyfield says he will not reire until he wins ALL 3 belts once again. He also said that if he beats Ruiz this saturday he will be the greatest champion ever, even greater than Ali because holyfield will be a 4-time champion...... Umm is that what makes you great? So Joe Louis was a 1-time champ he only won the belt once and retired as champion. But he held the belt almost 12 years and defended that belt 25 times. Does that make him a chump cause he never lost his title? Atleast Ali lost to greats like Frazier, norton, spinks and holmes. Granted holy has lost to greats as well Bowe, Lewis, Moorer. But while Ali had his embarassing loss to spinks, holy already had his and spinks was an olympic gold medalist and a top contender. John Ruiz is a journeyman at best and he manhandled holyfield, who 5 short years ago TKO'ed Mike Tyson. Then again that is in my opinion NOT when he should have retired. Holyfield should have retired after he KO'ed Michael Moorer in 1997 to avenge his loss to him in 94. But he trailed on and it has not might have but HAS ruined his legacy. After his first loss.. not a draw but loss to lewis holyfield didn't have to admit he lost but atleast be humble, don't say you won abd that you whipped his ass. Then this whole ruiz fiasco, holy lost both of these fights but on paper he won one. So hopefully ruiz does again what he did last time and holyfield, like Julio Ceaser Chavez realizes that they are both aged and done for... but then again last month Chavez fought in mexico yet again. I pick ruiz to get ko'ed by holyfield though and to my and many others dismay holy will continue and try for a third lewis or tyson fight depending on the winner or next years big showdown, if for nothing only to unify the titles once again.  I'm Deep Inside Your Children. They Will Betray You In MY Name. She-Mail Me Here | ||||
| Jim Samsonite | posted on 12-14-2001 @ 1:13 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Nov. 01 | Well Gonzo, you're in luck, because a new boxing fan has found this board. There is a lot of good happening in boxing over the last couple of years, unfortunately not everyone is aware because Sportscenter only shows the truly good fights. Judah vs. Tszyu would have never made the air had Judah not thrown a temper tantrum. Casamayor vs. Freitas won't even get a mention even though that is a great fight with two champions, the best at 130. Mosely vs. Forrest is another unification fight against the two best welterweights in the division that will probably go largely ignored. I believe Max Kellerman made the comment that your average HBO championship boxing card outdraws all NHL games and most NBA games on cable. Yet Sportscenter buries the coverage or doesn't show them at all. How hard would it be to show highlights of a Floyd Mayweather fight, or a Shane Mosely fight. They are two of the best fighters on the planet. Then when James Butler does something absurd, boxing is all of a sudden thrust to the top of the broadcast. Who was James Butler, and why does he deserve more attention than a clean cut family guy like Mosely? That's hardly balanced coverage, and it's not good for the sport. This message was edited by Jim Samsonite on 12-14-01 @ 1:21 PM | ||||
| GonzoStyle | posted on 12-14-2001 @ 1:20 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | Well Samsonite glad to finally have someone who knows their shit about my favorite sport. I totally agree man everyone loves watching a good fight on a saturday night, no one can deny that. But most sports commentators are indifferent to the sport and treat it as some sideshow or only talk about the downsides of the sport or the excentricity surrounding it. They act as if Mike Tyson ruined all of boxing and al boxers are felons and molestors. Granted boxing has it share of fucked up individuals, look at Ike Ibeabuchi, his career is done now. This is the man who probably would own all 3 belts as of right now in the heavyweight division and most of the young starts today do have rap sheets. But what about baseball and especially fooball and basketball. Sure you hear the stories once in a while, but Ray Lewis was made out to be a comeback kid the likes of almost a Lance Armstrong last superbowl by the sportscenter people. It's all bullshit but I agree the last 3 years boxing has given us tons of great fights. With a lot more to come, next year is gonna be no different with the Barrera vs. Morales re-match. Mosely vs. Forrest, and finally Lewis Vs. Tyson, plus many many more surprises on the way. I'm Deep Inside Your Children. They Will Betray You In MY Name. She-Mail Me Here | ||||
| Ants in My Pants Billy Prettiest Butterfly in the garden All Blow job poems ©Fez 2002-2003. I'm obsessed with Alkey's penis. | posted on 12-14-2001 @ 11:14 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Apr. 01 | quote:Thank you, Gonzo, thank you. Holyfield is one of my favorite fighters of all time, but I'm tired of hearing his bullshit about being 3-time champ and 4-time champ. Being a 4-time champ only means that you lost the title 3 times. I think it's a damn shame that Evander just doesn't know when to quit. He's definitely a warrior, but he'll just keep fighting until his brains finish the rest of their transformation into mush. I really hate to see great fighters go way past their prime, it's a sad sight. quote:Damn, this guy really is a boxing fan. Welcome aboard, Jim, the more the merrier.  This message was brought to you by a man who would like to remind you that he does NOT have a vagina. | ||||
| IAmMighty | posted on 12-14-2001 @ 11:27 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Sep. 00 | Neither of these guys should be anywhere near a boxing ring at this point. Watched the first "battle" between this two, [Norton/] it sucked [Norton]. Worst fight ever. | ||||
| Jim Samsonite | posted on 12-15-2001 @ 2:08 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Nov. 01 | 2002 could be a better year than 2000 or 2001. January is packed with top fights. Ward vs. Leija, Casamayor vs. Freitas, Mayweather vs. Castillo, Mosely vs Forrest, and then in February Adams vs. Ayala rematch, and Jones and Hopkins sharing an HBO card. In March you got Barrera vs. Morales II, then Tyson vs. Lewis most likely April 6th. May 4th looks like it will either be De La Hoya vs. Trinidad or De La Hoya vs. Vargas, and by June, maybe even Jones vs. Hopkins??!(wishful thinking, especially given Jones dealings with Hopkins in the past, but hey that fight makes sense). There is even talk of Trinidad immediately coming back and fighting Hopkins. That would be a hell of a first half if even half of those fights happen. Also, a Tyson/Lewis rematch, possible fights between Mosely/Trinidad/Oscar/Hopkins in the fall and maybe even Jones finally fighting the German guy. I probably left some fights out, but that is all I can think of right now. Pretty good for a dying sport. This message was edited by Jim Samsonite on 12-15-01 @ 2:16 AM | ||||
| GonzoStyle | posted on 12-15-2001 @ 12:21 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | quote: That is the one i would love to see most of all actually. Only because of the hate vargas holds for delahoya. I said it before, DeLaHoya could practically kill vargas's mother and rape his child and vargas couldn't possible harbor more hate for oscar than he already has. Tyson Vs. Lewis I think that is a no-brainer, we all want it. We been asking for it, for 3 years now. On paper so far it looks like a great year coming up. This year was great, i would still say 2000 was the better year. But 2001 is up there as well. I'm Deep Inside Your Children. They Will Betray You In MY Name. She-Mail Me Here | ||||
| Jim Samsonite | posted on 12-15-2001 @ 2:29 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Nov. 01 | Oscar vs. Vargas is very close. They are off by about a million dollars, but last I heard De La Hoya upped the anti by a million, so Vargas should have no excuse now. BTW, Oscar takes Vargas by decision. I think Vargas left part of himself in the ring that night against Trinidad. | ||||
| GonzoStyle | posted on 12-15-2001 @ 2:55 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | quote: never needed one lats i checked, delahoya pulled out of the fight last time. Vargas by decision. I'm Deep Inside Your Children. They Will Betray You In MY Name. She-Mail Me Here | ||||
| Jim Samsonite | posted on 12-15-2001 @ 6:59 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Nov. 01 | I'm torn on who to blame more for the stalled negotiations. While it would certainly seem unreasonalbe for De La Hoya to make $15 million to Vargas' $5 million, you also have to take into account the kind of money Oscar brings to that fight. Vargas has never made more than $2 million for a fight. Oscar made over $20 million against Trinidad, and averages over $10 million when he carries a ppv. Oscar's ppv numbers are rivaled only by Tyson. Vargas making $5 million would more than double his highest career earnings, Oscar making $15 million would be about what he made when he fought Mosely. I don't think Vargas is worth considerably more than Mosely was, and Mosely didn't make close to $5 million to fight Oscar. Vargas is coming off a brutal loss to Trinidad and two shaky outings against lower level guys (Rivera and Flores). Let's see if the fight happens with Vargas getting $6 million now. I think it will. With Vargas also getting a cut of the ppv money, and a $1 million dollar bonus, I think that should be enough to take the fight. He stands to make in the 8 figures, win or lose, when all is said and done. | ||||
| mikeWOW | posted on 12-16-2001 @ 12:44 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00 | i just watched the fight- i think holyfield should have won... ruiz held him the whole fight "i hate people that dont get it!" | ||||
| Jim Samsonite | posted on 12-16-2001 @ 1:41 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Nov. 01 | I don't think either deserved to win it. Ruiz will lose in his first defense, i'd bet the bank on it. Neither is even top 20 at this point. They didn't deserve to get that HBO spot. | ||||
| Cluster F | posted on 12-16-2001 @ 10:04 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | I saw the fight. I dont like Holyfield, but he got screwed last night. He wasnt too dominating, but he beat Ruiz and should be the champ. What a way to close out the year in boxing, which has been a very controversial one to say the least. For everyone who says football refs are the worst refs around, boxing officials and judges are 100 times worse, and i happen to agree that football refs suck. Go Knicks, Giants, Rangers, and Rutgers Men's Basketball (now 7-2) | ||||
| Jim Samsonite | posted on 12-16-2001 @ 9:38 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Nov. 01 | There have been some controversies, but all in all it was a pretty good year of boxing, if you were watching real boxing, and not just what sportscenter shows you. If you only watched what you saw on Sportscenter, then yeah, it was one controversy after the other and nothing else happened. | ||||
| GonzoStyle | posted on 12-17-2001 @ 10:56 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | I watched the fight on tape last night. I felt ruiz won the first two fights, the second one without a doubt he dominated holyfield. Yesterday Holyfield won, it doesn't matter who is old, who is soft, the fight sucks. That all does not matter but hey these men go in there and risk their health and lives more than any other sport. People at times complain that a fight gets stopped too fast, granted at times they do. But peope fail to realize that any one punch even a trivial one people may not see or think hurts can blind them or kill them or damage their brains for life. So for all that i believe fairness is something they deserve no matter what. Holyfield won that fight as far as I am concerned. Even on the judges score card he should have won, cause the first round should have been a 10-8 round for holyfield instead of a 10-9. Because that was a knock down not a slip, it was a punch that grounded ruiz. Granted their was so much wrestling during that fight I was waiting for Vince McMahon to come down and hit ruiz with a steel chair. But instead of the deciding card being 114-114 it should have been 115-113 for holyfield and Holy winning a split decision. But it's a draw and the champ keeps his belt. But holyfield is not retiring he will keep on fighting. But almost everyone from the AP to promoters and trainers are saying he will never fight for a title again. But then again william joppy, oscar de la hoya, and fernando vargas all lose their belts. Yet within 1 or 2 fights each of them regained their titles yet not fighting the man who they lost to. Vargas and Joppy both won back their titles in their next fight. I had Holyfield winning 116-112 quote: Ruiz now must fight the mandatory challenger, Kirk Johnson. I'll bet the bank on that one too. Won't be pretty but johnson wins by KO round 6 or 7. I'm Deep Inside Your Children. They Will Betray You In MY Name. She-Mail Me Here This message was edited by GonzoStyle on 12-17-01 @ 11:06 AM | ||||
| Squidward | posted on 12-18-2001 @ 1:28 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Aug. 01 | I didn't see the fight, but from what I heard from a few people who watched it, Holyfield kicked the shit out of him. Don't matter. All the good heavyweights are getting kinda old. Are there any new good heavyweights out there that I don't know about? The middleweight fights are still good with Mosely, DeLaHoya, and everyone else, but aren't Holyfield, Tyson, & Lewis getting a little old? | ||||
| GonzoStyle | posted on 12-18-2001 @ 11:23 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | quote: Well alot of people are calling this the new golden age of boxing cause all the action is where it should be and that is in the middleweight and lightweight divisions. With the handful of dominant heavyweights. There are a few good prospects to become the next champ in 2003 or 2004. But there is no one who is mind blowing or with an enormous personality. Here is my top 5 as of today. 1. Lennox Lewis 39-2-1 (30 KO's) 2. Mike Tyson 49-3-0-1 (44 KO's) 3. Wladimir Klitschko 35-1 (32 KO's) 4. Kirk Johnson 30-0-1 (22 KO's) 5.Chris Byrd 34-2 (18 KO's) I'm Deep Inside Your Children. They Will Betray You In MY Name. She-Mail Me Here | ||||
| Jim Samsonite | posted on 12-19-2001 @ 12:24 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Nov. 01 | The talent in the lower weight classes is as good as it's ever been in boxing, but the heavyweights have hit a lull. In reality, the division is usually weak, and era's like the 70's are few and far between. Boxing is usually lucky to have one truly great heavyweight at any given time. I think Lewis is that guy right now, but you're right, in a couple years it might be bleak. I actually think that the 90's was a golden era for heavyweight boxing. Holyfield, Lewis, Bowe, and Tyson (although he was in prison for the first half) all in their primes. Only the 70's had more talent at the top at one time IMO. I think it's cyclical. There will eventually be another Tyson type that comes along and revives interest, until then let's enjoy a truly huge fight like Tyson vs. Lewis while they are still fighting. People are quick to say how far heavyweight boxing has fallen, but there is a fight scheduled for April that could break all boxing ppv records. The biggest heavyweight fight since Ali/Foreman. BTW, are any of you guys familiar with Ike Ibeabuchi? He was the guy! He's in prison right now, could be out in a couple years, but 3 years ago he was as impressive a heavyweight as I had seen since a young Tyson. The guy had size, speed, and power. Truly, the one that never was. This message was edited by Jim Samsonite on 12-19-01 @ 12:32 AM | ||||
| GonzoStyle | posted on 12-19-2001 @ 10:46 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | quote: Go to some of the old boxing threads here, ants and I always said if not for the fact the guy was insane he'd be the champ by now. But after entering a guilty plea he's not gonna be out in a few years, he's supposed to be sentenced the 27th. Even if he gets out the future is bleak for him. But this man without a doubt would have been champion by now. After beating David Tua in one of the best heavyweight fights since Bowe Vs. Holyfield and then demolishing Chris Byrd he was on his way. Unfortunatly he will never have realized what could have been. I'm Deep Inside Your Children. They Will Betray You In MY Name. She-Mail Me Here | ||||
| Jim Samsonite | posted on 12-19-2001 @ 7:27 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Nov. 01 | How old is Ibeabuchi anyway? I don't even think he's 30 yet. They're talking about a minimum of 5 years, with good behaviour that could be down to 3, and with time served he could be out within one. But, most likely they'll throw the book at him. | ||||
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