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Posted By	Discussion Topic: Mets trade Shinjo and Relaford to Giants for Estes...
SpiderBob	posted on 12-16-2001 @ 3:54 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00	The New York Mets have traded outfielder Tsuyoshi Shinjo and infielder Desi Relaford to the San Francisco Giants for pitcher Shawn Estes.
Hello! Hello! Diamond Dust! Hello!	posted on 12-16-2001 @ 6:58 PM
Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01	I think this yet another good trade. Two backups for a #3 starter isnt bad at all. With 6 starters (Leiter, Rusch, Appier, Chen, Trachsel, and now Estes) it's pretty obvious a starter is gonna get traded for Burnitz or even Mondesi or someone like that which will not only make our starting staff stronger but our lineup will be complete. That said, with Shinjo gone, I guess Payton will get that other outfield spot next to Cedeno and the OF we trade for. Ugh. Oh well, you can't have a friggin All-Star team I guess! HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLO!
hammersavage	posted on 12-16-2001 @ 8:38 PM
Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00	A little more on the deal. Looks like one of our starters (Rusch) will have to go. Mets get Estes for Shinjo and Relaford NEW YORK -- The busy New York Mets made another deal Sunday, trading outfielder Tsuyoshi Shinjo and infielder Desi Relaford to the San Francisco Giants for pitcher Shawn Estes. Shinjo and Relaford both were nice surprises for the Mets in 2001, but the opportunity to trade them for a proven starting pitcher was too good to pass up. Estes was 9-8 with a 4.02 ERA in 27 starts for the Giants. The 28-year-old lefty was an All-Star in 1997 when he won 19 games, and has averaged 29 starts the last five seasons. Estes was 64-50 with a 4.25 ERA in 160 career starts. "This was a tough thing for us to do, considering what Shawn ha meant to this organization over the years," Giants general manager Brian Sabean said. Coming off a World Series appearance in 2000, the Mets struggled to an 82-80 mark that left them third in the NL East. General manager Steve Phillips promised changes in the offseason and has made good on his word. On Friday, the Mets traded outfielder David Justice to Oakland for reliever Mark Guthrie and a minor leaguer. Justice was acquired only a week earlier from the New York Yankees for third baseman Robin Ventura. At the recent winter meetings, the Mets obtained All-Star second baseman Roberto Alomar in a major trade with Cleveland. They also signed a pair of free agents, getting outfielder Roger Cedeno to become their leadoff hitter and adding David Weathers for the bullpen. Shinjo, 29, played exceptionally well in his first year in the majors. A star in Japan, he hit .267 with 10 home runs and 56 RBIs in 123 games for the Mets. Shinjo was outstanding in the field, leading all major league rookies with 12 outfield assists while playing center, left and right. His hustle made him one of manager Bobby Valentine's favorite players. Relaford was merely a journeyman when, after splitting the year with Philadelphia and San Diego, he was plucked off waivers by the Mets after the 2000 season. Relaford, 28, blossomed into a productive player, hitting .302 with eight home runs and 36 RBI in 301 at-bats over 120 games. After Relaford showed a live arm at second base, shortstop and third base, Valentine even gave him a chance to pitch. Relaford threw one hitless inning in a blowout and was impressive enough that Valentine said he might consider letting the infielder pitch in another game. "Both players have become an offensive presence and will bring more speed to the club," Sabean said. "We've seen our team become more versatile with the additions of Shinjo and Relaford," he said. "We feel both players are emerging as solid offensive and defensive contributors." Estes was 15-6 in 2000 and helped pitch the Giants into the NL playoffs, where they lost to the Mets. The Giants were 90-72 last season and finished second in the NL West, two games behind Arizona. Estes joins a rotation that last year included Al Leiter, Kevin Appier, Steve Trachsel, Glendon Rusch and Bruce Chen. Rusch's name has surfaced in trade speculation for the last few months. The Mets also are looking to add a power hitter, with free agent Juan Gonzalez among the possible candidates. Salad Tosser Left Fielder, Center Fielder, and First Baseman **Official Painter of Billboards** "Opie and Anthony: The thinking mans Beavis and Butthead" -Playboy
Lent Black Rock Coalition Do you have a basketball in your car?	posted on 12-16-2001 @ 8:46 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: May. 00	I guess the mets are better off with out anymore slant eyes! (ding ding!) It's good that philips is starting to at least try to get good pitching. We really need a better closer and maybe a good starting pitcher too. Hopefully Mets fans xmas wishes will be answered. Email - AIM:roweLENTless2001
PeterDragon	posted on 12-16-2001 @ 9:01 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01	This trade came out of nowhere. I knew Mets were looking for a top of rotation guy, and Estes can be that (although he hasn't been that lately). I was shocked that Shinjo was traded - not that he was so great, but he was fav of Valentine and produced surprisingly well. It seems like Phillips chose to trade 2 guys whose value was at its tops. Still need a big hitter; let's see what comes next.
Froy King Shit *board owner*	posted on 12-16-2001 @ 10:35 PM
O&A Board Veteran Registered: Feb. 01	If you count the Japanese guy, they have 7 starters now. Someone has got to be moved. I believe in the Faith... that can save me. I believe in the hope and I pray... That someday it may raise me... above these badlands
Francine Banger	posted on 12-17-2001 @ 12:06 AM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00	I liked Shinjo as most Met Fans did, but people made him out to be like he was an All Star or something. He hit .268, 10 HR, and 56 RBI. Thats not exactly earth shattering numbers. Payton has been very frustrating to watch, but he does have an upside, and he does have sparks where he can look really good. I like getting Estes and I like the move, now it looks like Rusch will be leaving, and my bet its to Milwaukee for Burnitz.
Squidward	posted on 12-18-2001 @ 1:18 AM
Psychopath Registered: Aug. 01	Being from Philly (and I am also a Mets fan) Relaford was a fluke, and you won't miss him. Great trade. Mets should win the division this year. I would really be surprised if they didn't. (Although it would be nice to see the Phillies win it, yeah right!)
OAAWITE	posted on 12-18-2001 @ 1:57 AM
Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70	Don't think it will be tough to get something for some of the pitchers the Mets have. Rusch and Chen would both definately get some interest. If the Mets had a better pitching staff, I'd pick them for the NL Pennant next year (even without Gonzo), but you just can't win anything with only one proven stud pitcher (Leiter) and a bunch of 3-4 guys like they have. The Mets need another top pitcher for those 5 game post season series. Aside from Park, there aren't any good starters left, and I can't imagine the Mets shelling out $15+ million a year for him
PeterDragon	posted on 12-18-2001 @ 9:32 AM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01	It's not really fair to characterize all Mets other starters as 3 & 4. The problem is Mets are compared to Yankees and Braves who have great staffs. Appier was only 11-10, but only gave up 181 hits in 206 innings, with a 3.31 ERA. Estes has #2 stuff, but hasn't put it together since '97. Leiter - Appier not Glavin - Maddux or Clemens - Mussina; but not too bad. caught Estes interview on WFAN while flipping around. He thought his biggest problem was that he was being too fine, pitching around too many hitters. He was confident that with Mets infield defense we would see the real Estes. Lets hope its so.

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