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| Posted By | Discussion Topic: Rick Reed for Matt Lawton | ||||
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| Cluster F | posted on 07-31-2001 @ 12:13 AM |    | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00  | Wow, i am in shock right now...this is good for both teams. The twins needed a pitcher, and the mets needed an outfielder. I wish the Mets added some other sucky people like ordonez in there, but this is interesting. Ill miss Reed a lot, he was a great pitcher for us. Lawton will provide pop though. Theyd better go after a pitcher though in the offseason. "I firmly believe that any man's finest hour - his greatest fulfillment to all he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out, in a good cause, and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious." -Vince Lombardi "90% of baseball is mental, the other half is physical." - Yogi Berra | ||||
| Arpikarhu Harmless Teddy I wish Maynard was still posting here so I could implant my head up his ass. Needle dick, bear salesman. I think I'm a revolutionary. Actually, I'm a one trick pony. I enjoy C&BT | posted on 07-31-2001 @ 12:17 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Apr. 01 | the guy was a scab. good riddance. Arpi Karhu Kauppias Forever!!! graduted by CRXGIRL AIM- Arpikarhu  | ||||
| Cluster F | posted on 07-31-2001 @ 12:20 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | quote: Maybe he is a scab, but ya know what? He was a pretty damn good one. I wont think of him as a scab at all. He was, and still is, a great pitcher...the poor man's Greg Maddux if you will. "I firmly believe that any man's finest hour - his greatest fulfillment to all he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out, in a good cause, and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious." -Vince Lombardi "90% of baseball is mental, the other half is physical." - Yogi Berra | ||||
| Francine Banger | posted on 07-31-2001 @ 12:51 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | Lawton was hitting .293 with 10 homers and 51 RBI for the Twins. We need more Pop than that!!! and hes 30 years old and a Free Agent after Next Year. I dont like the move. Rick Reed could have been big for the team next year. Also this Trade OFFICIALY ends the Mets season. Yeah I know they had a Very Very Little Chance of making a run. But there was a chance. You never know if some guys started to get hot, they started to hit, you just never know. Philly is going to crumble, and the Braves arent the same. But now we do know. Its over. I guess Bruce Chen or Grant Roberts will take over in the Rotation.  This message was edited by Francine Banger on 7-31-01 @ 12:55 AM | ||||
| Unicron | posted on 07-31-2001 @ 5:18 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Mar. 01 | the Mets sucked this season, and they were not going to come back, that's been established. this move is the begining of the long road to next April, and opening day '02. | ||||
| BaLLooN NoT | posted on 07-31-2001 @ 6:02 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! why Reed first wendel now this??? i am gonna miss him he is definataly a great pitcher but i would have rather traded him a day earlier for mark redmond & lawton for reed & possibly payton & some one now we deffinataly need to go after pitching this year.... just hope Philips can get somthing done this off season opposed to last.... here is the story from ESPN Twins add Mets' Reed to rotation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Associated Press NEW YORK -- The surprising Minnesota Twins are making a big playoff push, acquiring All-Star pitcher Rick Reed from the New York Mets for outfielder Matt Lawton on Monday night. The Twins have spent much of the season at or near the top of the AL Central despite baseball's lowest opening-day payroll at $24.35 million. But Minnesota has struggled since the All-Star break, going from five games up to a half-game behind Cleveland in the AL Central. "We're looking to stabilize our pitching staff," Twins general manager Terry Ryan said. "We've struggled since the break. We felt like Reed was the best available. If you're going to get pitching of his caliber you have to give up something." Minnesota's young rotation has played a big part of its success this season. The Twins are sixth in the AL in ERA, led by Joe Mays (12-7, 3.25), Brad Radke (10-8, 3.90) and Eric Milton (9-4, 4.34). Reed adds a veteran presence for the young team down the stretch. Reed, who turns 36 on Aug. 16, was 8-6 with a 3.48 ERA for the Mets this season. "He's savvy, he throws strikes, he's a veteran," Ryan said. "He's been through the postseason and the World Series." Reed goes from fourth place with the Mets to the pennant race with the Twins. "I'm a little numb to be honest. I was able to do it last year and the year before," he said of the pennant race. "It is exciting to get back in one." The Twins, who traded for reliever Todd Jones on Saturday, might not be done dealing yet. They are also interested in adding Cincinnati outfielder Dmitri Young to replace Lawton. The defending NL champion Mets have the worst offense in the majors. They trail Atlanta by 11½ games in the NL East and are eighth in the wild-card race and have begun preparing for next season. Last week, New York traded relievers Turk Wendell and Dennis Cook to Philadelphia for Bruce Chen, who will replace Reed in the rotation. "I think we have had enough pitching to keep us in the game but not nearly the offense," GM Steve Phillips said. "We need to address that. I understand the importance of pitching to winning, but if we don't score runs at a pace that allows the pitching to be rewarded, it doesn't matter." The biggest problem for the Mets has been production in the outfield. Mets outfielders are last in the majors with 22 homers and 121 RBI. Phillips has been interested in Lawton since before the 2000 season and this deal developed the day before baseball's trade deadline. "I'm not familiar with what's going on in New York," Lawton said of the Mets' struggles. "I was there for the World Series last year and saw how good the atmosphere is. It's a great place to play." Lawton -- whose brother, Marcus, spent four years in the Mets' minor league system -- was hitting .293 with 10 homers and 51 RBI for the Twins. Lawton has a .396 on-base percentage -- higher than any Mets regular -- and his 19 steals would also lead New York. He is expected to play right field and lead off for the Mets. Reed, a two-time All-Star, signed a $21.75 million, three-year contract in the offseason and will be the second-highest paid player on the Twins. Radke makes $7.75 million a year. Lawton, 29, making $3.9 million this season, is eligible for free agency after the 2002 season. "We hope Matt will be the start of the process to generate offense and add more excitement at the top of our lineup," Phillips said.  SIG PIC CREATED BY Jolene78 E-Mail Me METS will go ALL THE WAY THIS YEAR !!!!!!!!!!! (ok maybe not this year but i aint chainging this) Yankees & the Braves SUCK !!!!!!!! Resident Strip Club Pimp Very Proud Member of the OA.com Stalker Society | ||||
| Cluster F | posted on 07-31-2001 @ 10:52 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | quote: Well, he does have 19 steals and .396 on base percentage. He is going to be our leadoff batter, not our #5, so he doesnt need too much pop FB. And you say him being 30 is a bad thing? Just to let you know, Reed is 36, so they are getting younger. "I firmly believe that any man's finest hour - his greatest fulfillment to all he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out, in a good cause, and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious." -Vince Lombardi "90% of baseball is mental, the other half is physical." - Yogi Berra | ||||
| Ferret | posted on 07-31-2001 @ 10:59 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00 | quote: Ummm... Lawton's a leadoff hitter. You don't expect the guy in that slot to be swinging for the fences or driving in a shitload of runs. He's the guy who usually comes in on the RBI's. His Steals and OnBase% is higher than any Met on the team. If you're worried about Lawton being 30, Reed is 36. By the time Lawton's a free agent, Reed will be 38. Not too many people hit their stride at that age. | ||||
| mother shucker | posted on 07-31-2001 @ 11:03 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Nov. 00 | I agree Cluster F, they get younger and faster. Hate to see Reed go, but they have to do something. Just sucks to lose pitching. Now we have to get Bonds in the off-season. I shucked it, and I shucked it, and I shucked it, i'm quite the mother shucker! | ||||
| Rone | posted on 07-31-2001 @ 1:10 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | i don't think this move makes much sense for the twins. they need bullpen help and another bat. reed is a quality pitcher, but lawton was a major piece of that team. i don't think they should have tinkered with that. it only makes sense if they are going to get another hitter like dimitri young or shannon stewart as a result of this trade. | ||||
| drkn2forget | posted on 07-31-2001 @ 6:09 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01 | This was a good move for the Mets. The Mets have an anemic outfield and Lawton's #'s might be better then the whole mets out field put together...
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| F the S out of her A | posted on 07-31-2001 @ 6:34 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | Francine is right that the Mets are officially packing in it for '01, which is sad. However, it is a good move to start bringing some fresh bats to the lineup. I feel bad for Lawton, because something special was happening in Minnesota this year. The Twins may actually knock the big-budget Yankees or Sawx out of the wild card if Cleveland wins the central, which would be something baseball has needed. Good for Reed, getting to play with a contender, though. Narrator: "I STILL can't think of anything." Tyler: "Flashback humor, how amusing." | ||||
| JJ G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Soldier of Fortune Spec Ops Division | posted on 07-31-2001 @ 7:52 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Feb. 01 | Definitley a stupid move, almost as stupid as when they got Hampton and Bell and they gave the Astros Dotel and Cedeno. Very dumb, i mean Lawton is gonna be a free agent and u know he wont be here after the end of the season. Knowin Phillips he wont try to give him a new contract until after the season. Oh and Reed mighta been a scab but id rather have him than Appier. We're all just monkeys!! I have 2 slots open for anyone that wants to be adoptedE-Mail Me and i will get to back to u A.S.A.P, or AIM ople696 | ||||
| hammersavage | posted on 07-31-2001 @ 9:28 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00 | quote: Oh yeah. Getting Hampton was stupid. The guy only led us to the world series. And Lawton's contract expires at the end of next season. Salad Tosser Left Fielder, Center Fielder, and First Baseman **Official Painter of Billboards** "Opie and Anthony: The thinking mans Beavis and Butthead" -Playboy Mafia Mob Soldier--Darippa | ||||
| I Rooned It | posted on 08-01-2001 @ 12:16 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | This is better for the Twins than it is for the Mets. The twins have another great to go with, Radke, Mays, and whoever I can't think of right now. They will be better prepared for the post season. That is if they don't have to face Seattle anymore. :) The Mets will be rebuilding for the next 2 years. Lawton would make a great CF with McEwing, and Payton or Agi to join him out there. But jeez, find a way to get rid of Ordonez and we'll be a better hitting team. Most important, we need to resign Lawton for the next couple of years. He'll be productive and he reminds me of Cedeno when we had him. You Give Me Head, It Makes it Worse. Take out Your Fucking Retainer, put it in Your Purse. ---Jello Biafra | ||||
| JohnSlack | posted on 08-01-2001 @ 10:46 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 01 | And the mets got so much younger with this trade.... trading a 36 year old all-star to get an average 30 year old outfielder? I think it was a bad trade for the mets.. For example: Kindest Regards, Your Name | ||||
| Francine Banger | posted on 08-01-2001 @ 1:25 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | Matt Lawton is not an Average Player. He was an all star as well just a year ago. | ||||
| JohnSlack | posted on 08-01-2001 @ 3:14 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 01 | .292 10HR 51RBIs wow..impressive...good thing he was an allstar last year - that should help the mets win the all important 'most former allstars' trophy.. Don't get me wrong, he is a solid pickup, but not worth rick reed. if these were his numbers and he was 22 it would be ok. but the guy is having an OK year and he is 30 years old..whoopie! For example: Kindest Regards, Your Name | ||||
| BaLLooN NoT | posted on 08-01-2001 @ 3:46 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | he also has 19 stolen bases... the METS as a team had bout 10 in all so it is a good pick up he is a proven outfielder & has great speed .. both of which they did not have prior to the trade... Reed was awsome this year but how was he in his tenure with the mets??? its hard to tell what he is gonna do next year since especially he is getting old... so its a win win situation... lets just hope Bruce Chen can replace him in one way or another SIG PIC CREATED BY Jolene78 E-Mail Me METS will go ALL THE WAY THIS YEAR !!!!!!!!!!! (ok maybe not this year but i aint chainging this) Yankees & the Braves SUCK !!!!!!!! Resident Strip Club Pimp Very Proud Member of the OA.com Stalker Society | ||||
| JohnSlack | posted on 08-01-2001 @ 4:06 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 01 | Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see him in LF at Yankee stadium, but come on he can't single-handedly turn around this pathetic bunch of outfielders.. For example: Kindest Regards, Your Name | ||||
| Syndicate | posted on 08-01-2001 @ 4:39 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | I like the trade. Reed is getting long in the tooth and Leiter is untouchable until he retires, so you unload the oldest, highest paid pitcher you can and try to upgrade your offense with a decent bat and some speed. The intangibles are great too, Lawton WANTS to be a Met and he was a leader in the clubhouse in Minnisota. You can never underestimate the intangibles. I like AFRO's | ||||
| Graffix Rulz | posted on 08-01-2001 @ 9:54 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Sep. 00 | reed would give a solid 6 inning or more just about every start, he was the only oone to beat the yankees in the world serious in i think the last 3. dont know much about lawton except on sportscenter the only thing i do know is the we have alot of outfeilders that look the same "My girlfreinds mom still hasent been born!" | ||||
| Graffix Rulz | posted on 08-01-2001 @ 9:58 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Sep. 00 | got depressed after reading this Dark Age of mediocrity is about to blanket Mets Wednesday, August 1, 2001 By BOB KLAPISCH Staff Writer There's no mistaking where the Mets are headed this summer, now that Rick Reed, their best pitcher, is gone. The Dark Age has officially been ushered in at Shea, ending a five-year climb from the National League's ash heap to respectability to a miniature golden era that should've lasted longer. Instead, the Mets have set course for that long, miserable road to nowhere -- an aging team that can no longer claim any particular excellence. Matt Lawton isn't going to drastically upgrade the Mets' offense, which is already the NL's worst, and losing Reed only further removes the Mets from the equation that took them to the World Series in 2000. And that was terrific starting pitching. Without Reed and Mike Hampton, the Mets are left with the creaky Al Leiter, who some baseball people say is headed for serious elbow problems, the enigmatic Glendon Rusch, and Kevin Appier, who pitches just well enough to be respectable. As for Bruce Chen, who now gets his chance, remember this: He was traded away by the Braves, who hardly ever miscalculate on pitching prospects. If Chen had any real long-term value, he'd still be in Atlanta today. So why, exactly, did the Mets trade Reed to the Twins on Monday night? For the exact opposite reason the Yankees acquired Sterling Hitchcock from the Padres. While the Mets are looking for ways to avoid spending $100 million on payroll, the Yankees long ago decided that saving money is a poor substitute for winning a championship. Hitchcock gives the Bombers a perfect bridge to Orlando Hernandez's return to the rotation, and if he's not the same pitcher he was in 1998, that hardly matter to Yankee officials. As one member of the organization said, "All [Hitchcock] has to be is slightly better than [Randy] Keisler, and we've come out ahead." The Yankees actually take Hitchcock's presence in the rotation seriously, as well they should. They're already worrying about the Red Sox, who have enough firepower to beat any Yankee pitcher on a given day, and that's without Pedro Martinez on the mound. Pedro should be back in a month, or less, which is why the Bombers could no longer lean on two rookies every five days. Instead, Hitchcock should outperform Keisler, and a healthy El Duque will replace Ted Lilly in September. Come October, the Yankees will return to the equation that's made them so lethal since 1996 -- terrific starting pitching. The Mets, on the other hand, are giving their fans no reason for hope -- not just this summer, but for 2002 and beyond. Baseball people believe Fred Wilpon will pocket the windfall from the Reed-Lawton swap, approximately a $4 million savings, instead of investing it this winter on free agents he so desperately needs. Will the Mets get involved with Jason Giambi or Barry Bonds? "You're kidding me, right?" is how one agent answered that question Tuesday. And no one believes the Mets will do more than cosmetically chase second-tier talents such as Chan Ho Park or Johnny Damon, both of whom could help. Instead, the Mets will likely squeeze another year out of Leiter, Todd Zeile, and Robin Ventura, and it appears they're stuck with Rey Ordonez. The Mets are now discovering there's a surcharge for the inflated contracts they paid their key players -- they're un-tradable, and Wilpon isn't about to spend enough cash to cover those flaws. In a perfect world, Wilpon would like to invest $85 million to $88 million a year, just enough to make the Mets competitive and still turn a profit. Bottom-line economics are like a religion to Met officials, especially since there's a new stadium on the way, and there won't be a pressing need to spend the extra $10 million on salaries just to attract 3 million fans. Why? Because new ballparks such as Safeco and Jacobs and Coors are capable of drawing families on their own, and if the Mets can win 85 games in a retro, Ebbets Field-like facility, that's all it'd take to keep Wilpon happy. That way he spends less than Steinbrenner, and enjoys a private laugh, finishing ahead of the Yankees in the race for a new stadium despite The Boss' enormous political influence. Of course, the difference in these philosophies is that the Yankees are October-bound for the seventh straight season, while the Mets are busy whispering about Reed. They say his shoulder could go at any time. They say they weren't winning with him, so how much can his absence really hurt? They use every rationalization for trading away their most dependable pitcher, who started the only game the Mets won in the 2000 Subway Series. The irony is that the Mets were right to look for a faster, more dangerous leadoff hitter like Lawton, but trading Reed only deepens their wounds. Zeile still can't hit home runs. Edgardo Alfonzo is still suffering with back problems. Ordonez's offensive skills evaporate a little more every day. Still, there's Mike Piazza and a new ballpark right around the corner. Maybe it'll make the Dark Age a little less gloomy. "My girlfreinds mom still hasent been born!" | ||||
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