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Drawing gruesome pictures in school - Flock of Moosen - 10-29-2003
Quote:Originally posted by The Brain
Yes, it's all semantics, but let's be clear about one thing: both instances could have been avoided had the children <i>paid attention in the classroom and actually dedicated themselves to learning, rather than goofing off drawing pictures or writing in their diaries.</i>
I do agree with you 100% there, but by telling them they can't do what they did is pretty much the same thing as saying the 1st Amendment doesn't exist.
Believe me, I have had problems with the whole free speech thing at times, but a rule is a rule and a law is a law. We may not always like it, but as a country we're expected to live by it.
Drawing gruesome pictures in school - Sloats - 10-29-2003
Quote:Originally posted by The Brain
Quote:Originally posted by Flock of MoosenWsan't that a case where she had written in her journal, then passed that journal to her friend to read... in class? Then when the teacher confiscated it, and read it, the school found out about the story?
This is kinda similar to another story about a girl who was suspended out in Colorado for writing a story about killing a teacher.
Granted they are a little more on edge about stuff like that because of Columbine, but her story was meant only as fiction and it was clear that was the case after reading it. She didn't say she was going to kill any specific teacher or anything.
Here's a thought: how about she not do distracting shit like pass her journal around in fucking class? She can't argue invasion of privacy if she was exposing her work for public consumption. And as for it being a "work of fiction", what if it inspired her or someone who read it down the road to turn it into reality?
In this day and age when idiot kids always seem "inspired" by the rather fictitious world of movies and video games when they go out and shoot someone, or pull some other lameass stunt (or their parents always blame those sources at the very least), we can no longer say, "oh well it was only harmless fiction, no one should think it has any basis in reality". It may not have been about a specific teacher <i>at that point</i>, but who knows what could happen in the future, when someone who has read the work decides to personalize it to fit their own agenda, then does go about focusing on a specific teacher.
Yes, it's all semantics, but let's be clear about one thing: both instances could have been avoided had the children <i>paid attention in the classroom and actually dedicated themselves to learning, rather than goofing off drawing pictures or writing in their diaries.</i>
Pffft. Like <i>that</i> would ever happen.
Skool is for suckas. Wit ma bad azz ball skillz, i just know I'm gonna git signed and land dat big cass.
Drawing gruesome pictures in school - Flock of Moosen - 10-29-2003
Quote:Originally posted by Sloats
Skool is for suckas. Wit ma bad azz ball skillz, i just know I'm gonna git signed and land dat big cass.
LeBron, is that you? :duh:
Drawing gruesome pictures in school - Sloats - 10-29-2003
Quote:Originally posted by Flock of Moosen
Quote:Originally posted by Sloats
Skool is for suckas. Wit ma bad azz ball skillz, i just know I'm gonna git signed and land dat big cass.
LeBron, is that you? :duh:
Thinking more along the lines of Shockey or that Ohio State guy who is suing the NFL.....
Drawing gruesome pictures in school - Flock of Moosen - 10-29-2003
Quote:Originally posted by Sloats
Quote:Originally posted by Flock of Moosen
Quote:Originally posted by Sloats
Skool is for suckas. Wit ma bad azz ball skillz, i just know I'm gonna git signed and land dat big cass.
LeBron, is that you? :duh:
Thinking more along the lines of Shockey or that Ohio State guy who is suing the NFL.....
That would be Maurice Clarett and he was my second choice for your post.
If you were gonna be Shockey though, you'd have to talk more hick than street. Just throw a lot of "duh's" and "yall's" in there and you should be good.
Drawing gruesome pictures in school - The Brain - 10-29-2003
Quote:Originally posted by Flock of MoosenNo no, don't get me wrong, they have every right to draw pictures or write stories to their hearts' content.
I do agree with you 100% there, but by telling them they can't do what they did is pretty much the same thing as saying the 1st Amendment doesn't exist.
Believe me, I have had problems with the whole free speech thing at times, but a rule is a rule and a law is a law. We may not always like it, but as a country we're expected to live by it.
But at the same time, they should have the wherewithal to know when that sort of thing is not appropriate, and sitting in class while a teacher is trying to impart knowledge to you is <b>not</b> the time to being doing something counterproductive like that.
The First Amendment does not protect one from doing something stupid-- the "yelling <b>Fire</b> in a crowded theater" sort of thing. It's understood (or at the very least, it is <i>supposed</i> to be understood) that there will arise situations where you shouldn't so abruptly try to exercise certain freedoms. Just 'cause you have the right, doesn't mean you need to flaunt it right then and there.
Quote:<i>Originally posted by Sloats</i>
Skool is for suckas. Wit ma bad azz ball skillz, i just know I'm gonna git signed and land dat big cass.
<center><b> Things Done Changed </b>
<i>Notorious B.I.G.</i>
Remember back in the days when niggaz had waves
Gazelle shades and corn braids
Pitchin pennies honies had the high top jellies
Shootin skelly motherfuckers was all friendly
Loungin at the barbeques drinkin brews
with the neighborhood crews hangin on the avenues
Turn your pagers to nineteen ninety three
Niggaz is gettin smoked G believe me
Talk slick you get your neck slit quick
Cause real street niggaz ain't havin that shit
Totin techs for rep, smokin blunts in the project
hallways, shootin dice all day
Wait for niggaz to step up on some fightin shit
We get hype and shit and start lifin shit
So step away with your fist fight ways
Motherfucker this ain't back in the days, but you don't hear me though
No more cocoa leave-io, one two three
One two three, all of this to me, is a mystery
I hear you motherfuckers talk about it
But I stay seein bodies with the motherfuckin chalk around it
And I'm down with the shit too
For the stupid motherfuckers wanna try to use Kung-Fu
Instead of a Mac-10 he tried scrappin
Slugs in his back and, that's what the fuck happens
when you sleep on the street
Little motherfuckers with heat, want ta leave a nigga six feet deep
And we comin to the wake
To make sure the cryin and commotion ain't a motherfuckin fake
Back in the days, our parents used to take care of us
Look at em now, they even fuckin scared of us
Callin the city for help because they can't maintain
Damn, shit done changed
<b>If I wasn't in the rap game
I'd probably have a key knee deep in the crack game
Because the streets is a short stop
Either you're slingin crack rock or you got a wicked jumpshot </b>
Shit, it's hard being young from the slums
eatin five cent gums not knowin where your meals comin from
And now the shit's gettin crazier and major
Kids younger than me, they got the Sky grand Pagers
Goin outta town, blowin up
Six months later all the dead bodies showin up
It make me wanna grab the nine and the shottie
But I gotta go identify the body
Damn, what happened to the summertime cookouts?
Everytime I turn around a nigga gettin took out
Shit, my momma got cancer in her breast
Don't ask me why I'm motherfuckin stressed, things done changed </center>
<font color=4e4e4e>(Yeah, it was a long way to go for that, but it seemed to fit).</font>
Drawing gruesome pictures in school - SO - 10-29-2003
Quote:A 14-year-old New Jersey schoolboy - whose dad and stepdad are in the military - was suspended for five days because he drew a \"patriotic\" stick figure of a U.S Marine blowing away a Taliban fighter, officials said yesterday.
Gotta love the Thought Police.
Quote:Yes, it's all semantics, but let's be clear about one thing: both instances could have been avoided had the children paid attention in the classroom and actually dedicated themselves to learning, rather than goofing off drawing pictures or writing in their diaries.This is true, but a weak defense. Drawing a picture in class should not warrant a 5 day suspension. If he'd been drawing fuzzy little ducks instead of a war scene, he might have gotten detention at most - and probably a beatdown from his classmates for drawing gay-ass fuzzy ducks.
But what kind of message does this send when kids are told to be patriotic and wave that flag boy and support the war - but then when they draw a picture in support of the war, they get punished?
Drawing gruesome pictures in school - Hawt Baux - 10-30-2003
Quote:Originally posted by SO
A 14-year-old New Jersey schoolboy - <b>whose dad and stepdad are in the military</b> - was suspended for five days because he drew a \"patriotic\" stick figure of a U.S Marine blowing away a Taliban fighter, officials said yesterday.
I wonder if he drew a gay soldier who by killing a member of the Talhiban was releasing all of his frustrations that had been pent up after years of being ostricized and rideculed by his own society......
unless i read that wrong and his mother remariied after a long, painful divorce inwhich the child was made to choose a parent and is now dealing with the burden of it all.
Makes ya wonder.
Drawing gruesome pictures in school - Flock of Moosen - 10-30-2003
Quote:Originally posted by The Brain
Quote:Originally posted by Flock of MoosenNo no, don't get me wrong, they have every right to draw pictures or write stories to their hearts' content.
I do agree with you 100% there, but by telling them they can't do what they did is pretty much the same thing as saying the 1st Amendment doesn't exist.
Believe me, I have had problems with the whole free speech thing at times, but a rule is a rule and a law is a law. We may not always like it, but as a country we're expected to live by it.
But at the same time, they should have the wherewithal to know when that sort of thing is not appropriate, and sitting in class while a teacher is trying to impart knowledge to you is <b>not</b> the time to being doing something counterproductive like that.
Yup, I couldn't agree more. And people wonder why kids are coming out of school with a less than average education. Oh yeah, let's blame the teachers.
Drawing gruesome pictures in school - GMANN - 10-30-2003
I wish I saved all my notebooks from highschool. Boring classes always inspired me to draw tons and tons of crap. I get sad when I think about all the genious artwork that I created and threw out .
