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Blurring the line separating church and state... - Rooner - 08-29-2003
The argument that our laws are based on the 10 commandments is bullshit. Our laws are based on common sense, much like some of the 10 commandments. Our laws are based on right and wrong (most of them) not what God thinks we should do. The simplest solution is to remove the cause of debate, remove the monument then theres nothing for anyone to get pissed off about because their religion isnt fairly represented in a courthouse that is there for everyone. Sounds like an easy fix to me.
Blurring the line separating church and state... - KensPen - 08-29-2003
I heard the judge spouting off on Sean Hannity on my drive home,
Yeah I know, but see my thread lamenting the loss of O&A,
anyway, he sounded like a religious nut. Spouting off on how this country was founded on Judeo-Christian values.
and that the "god" who is referenced throughout the land, IE "in god we trust" is not some generic all inclusive representation of god, but a specific god, of the judeo christian world.
He is supporting one religion over all of them,
which I think is wrong.
I am for removing ALL religious icons from government.
These religious wackos will have a cow if they win these arguments, only to have "other" religions be the ones represented in ethnic communities....
with the Mexican population in Florida, California and Texas, it won't be too long before swearing on the bible is replaced with a Santaria Chicken beheading.
Blurring the line separating church and state... - Keyser Soze - 08-29-2003
if you remove this statue, you have to remove all other references to God, which are numerous, through our government, including our own currency "IN GOD WE TRUST"
there is not a seperation of church and state, it is implied but not practiced. theres a big difference between what the system is supposed to do and what it actually does. hypocracy is the rule of government rather than the exception.
Blurring the line separating church and state... - FollowThisLogic - 08-29-2003
Quote:Originally posted by Keyser SozeI am not against this......
if you remove this statue, you have to remove all other references to God, which are numerous, through our government, including our own currency \"IN GOD WE TRUST\"
Blurring the line separating church and state... - Keyser Soze - 08-29-2003
yeah but it will never happen, whether you like it or not. what you all are talking about is not realistic.
Blurring the line separating church and state... - KensPen - 08-29-2003
neither am I.
It is an anachronism to have "God" be such a widely used word in government.
Fuck what the founding fathers did,
they lived in a time when women didn't vote, blacks were property, and the bible was the only explanation for most of life's mysteries.
The Colonies were founded by a bunch of religious malcontents, (at least initially)
and citing the will of god was a good way to scare them into backing the rebellion.
Blurring the line separating church and state... - The Brain - 08-29-2003
Quote:Originally posted by Keyser SozeExactly. Freedom of religion without persecution was <i>supposed</i> to mean that, regardless of one's spiritual beliefs, you could worship withour fear of repurcussions. In theory, all religions are meant to be equal, with no one religion being favored over the others.
if you remove this statue, you have to remove all other references to God, which are numerous, through our government, including our own currency \"IN GOD WE TRUST\"
there is not a seperation of church and state, it is implied but not practiced. theres a big difference between what the system is supposed to do and what it actually does. hypocracy is the rule of government rather than the exception.
We all know that is not true.
Even though the "God" in "In God We Trust" is meant to be sort of a generic combination of the God from all the monotheistic religions, it is not Allah of Islam, or YHWH (Yahweh) of Judaism, or Buddha, or even a fucking tree (for all the Naturalists out there, all three of them). And it sure as hell (pun intended) isn't Satan (for all the Satanists).
I suppose the argument would be that it is a God meant to represent the <i>majority</i> of the people's religious beliefs, which as it has stood for 200+ years is Christianity and Protestantism, which both address the Almighty as "God"... which leads to the question that if Judaism ever became the dominant religion in this country, would "In YHWH We Trust" become the slogan on our money (insert anti-Jew joke about them dominanting this country and already controlling our money... <b>here</b>)? But that fact is <i>still</i> unfair because it places Christianity and Protestantism in a favored status over any other religions.
Blurring the line separating church and state... - KensPen - 08-29-2003
If I was a Muslim,
or hindu,
and the court I went into was decorated with the 10 commandments,
that is saying that Christian law is observed,
I would doubt I would get a fair shake.
Blurring the line separating church and state... - The Brain - 08-29-2003
Quote:Originally posted by KensPenWell, this country is currently very much anti-Muslim, but I think all we need to see is someone of a non-Christian religion sue the court system for a perception of favortism, and the rules would change. Right now, folks are too complacent, but if someone were to complain, I bet the ACLU would take up their cause in court.
If I was a Muslim,
or hindu,
and the court I went into was decorated with the 10 commandments,
that is saying that Christian law is observed,
I would doubt I would get a fair shake.