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Please let it be true this time! - Toronto Hottie - 07-24-2003
Quote:Originally posted by Rooner
Uday got me and Qusay good this time.
WHOA HO!
WOOOOOO!
[slapping knee]
God damn that was good.
PHEW!
I don't get it. :confused:
Please let it be true this time! - McNabbShouldDie - 07-24-2003
Quote:I don't get it.
Its a play on Iraqi accents you goose you.
(I hope you weret being sarcastic!)
Please let it be true this time! - SO - 07-24-2003
Despite my overall feelings about the Iraq war, I'm glad these two are dead.
However, the public display of their photos is just another in a long line of hypocritcal actions by our esteemed*cough* government.
3/27/03 Fox News
Quote:Lockwood condemned the station for airing the footage, which he called \"a flagrant and disgraceful breach of the Geneva Conventions. \"We are shocked and appalled that the Iraqi regime has released close-up television pictures that claim to show dead U.K. military personnel,\" he said.
3/31/03 CNN
Quote:It seems weirdly priggish to discuss the brutalities of war and the technicalities of law in the same breath. But it was Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, who has heretofore made no secret of his impatience with legalisms, who launched this salvo last week: \"It's a violation of the Geneva Convention,\" he angrily told CNN, \"[for Iraqi TV] to be showing prisoners of war in a humiliating manner.\"
3/24/03 Newsmax
Quote:Iraqi television showed videotape of five U.S. soldiers, including a woman, captured in south central Iraq, as well as the bodies of others they claimed were American. The video was broadcast by al-Jazeera satellite television.
http://www.inq7.net/wnw/2003/mar/24/wnw_2-1.htm
Quote:US Army Staff Sergeant John Alleman at the American command center in Doha condemned the broadcast of the tape.\"It kind of makes me mad that they're showing the bodies. They're just parading them. Morally it's wrong. We don't go around parading their bodies, especially on television.\"
Pot...Kettle...I believe you've met
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Please let it be true this time! - Flock of Moosen - 07-24-2003
Quote:Originally posted by SO
Despite my overall feelings about the Iraq war, I'm glad these two are dead.
However, the public display of their photos is just another in a long line of hypocritcal actions by our esteemed*cough* government.
3/27/03 Fox News
Quote:Lockwood condemned the station for airing the footage, which he called \"a flagrant and disgraceful breach of the Geneva Conventions. \"We are shocked and appalled that the Iraqi regime has released close-up television pictures that claim to show dead U.K. military personnel,\" he said.
3/31/03 CNN
Quote:It seems weirdly priggish to discuss the brutalities of war and the technicalities of law in the same breath. But it was Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, who has heretofore made no secret of his impatience with legalisms, who launched this salvo last week: \"It's a violation of the Geneva Convention,\" he angrily told CNN, \"[for Iraqi TV] to be showing prisoners of war in a humiliating manner.\"
3/24/03 Newsmax
Quote:Iraqi television showed videotape of five U.S. soldiers, including a woman, captured in south central Iraq, as well as the bodies of others they claimed were American. The video was broadcast by al-Jazeera satellite television.
http://www.inq7.net/wnw/2003/mar/24/wnw_2-1.htm
Quote:US Army Staff Sergeant John Alleman at the American command center in Doha condemned the broadcast of the tape.\"It kind of makes me mad that they're showing the bodies. They're just parading them. Morally it's wrong. We don't go around parading their bodies, especially on television.\"
Pot...Kettle...I believe you've met
As much as I am thrilled these scumbags are dead and hope their father is next, I have to agree on the hypocrisy. We were in an uproar when our troops were shown, but now that we're showing Frick and Frack, it's all of a sudden okay. Why, because they're technically not military?
If the Iraqis needed to see this for confirmation, then fine show it to them, but for us to be showing it all over is no better that what they did to us.
Please let it be true this time! - PSYCHOMARKFAN - 07-24-2003
This is what i think about those two getting killed by our heroic armies....TWO LESS FUCKING RAGHEADS IN THE WORLD!!! :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Let's hope they start rotating the fresh troops to relieve the ones over there.
Please let it be true this time! - The Brain - 07-24-2003
Quote:As much as I am thrilled these scumbags are dead and hope their father is next, I have to agree on the hypocrisy. We were in an uproar when our troops were shown, but now that we're showing Frick and Frack, it's all of a sudden okay. Why, because they're technically not military?This action was as much for the Iraqis to know that two members of the regime were not coming back like boogeymen to get them, as it was for all the naysayers to this war who keep asking why we haven't caught or killed any of the major figures in the great war on terror.
If the Iraqis needed to see this for confirmation, then fine show it to them, but for us to be showing it all over is no better that what they did to us.
There are 2 down, and 2 left (Saddam and Osama).
In some ways, yes it is hypocritical of the army to release the photos to the general public. But where Al-Jazeera was broadcasting American P.O.W.s as a means of propaganda, I consider this photo release to be a fact-showing.
Remember, Al-Jazeera and the Iraqi regime routinely fed the people misinformation or outright lies concerning this conflict (yeah, and some will say the U.S. gov't and media were no better), so you can understand how the Iraqi people, and the global community at large, will not just take anyone's word for it. Hussein and his sons regularly used body doubles as well-- it was absolutely necessary to display that these were, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the two sons of Hussein.
Please let it be true this time! - Flock of Moosen - 07-24-2003
Quote:Originally posted by The BrainLike I said earlier, they don't call him The Brain for nothing.
This action was as much for the Iraqis to know that two members of the regime were not coming back like boogeymen to get them, as it was for all the naysayers to this war who keep asking why we haven't caught or killed any of the major figures in the great war on terror.
There are 2 down, and 2 left (Saddam and Osama).
In some ways, yes it is hypocritical of the army to release the photos to the general public. But where Al-Jazeera was broadcasting American P.O.W.s as a means of propaganda, I consider this photo release to be a fact-showing.
Remember, Al-Jazeera and the Iraqi regime routinely fed the people misinformation or outright lies concerning this conflict (yeah, and some will say the U.S. gov't and media were no better), so you can understand how the Iraqi people, and the global community at large, will not just take anyone's word for it. Hussein and his sons regularly used body doubles as well-- it was absolutely necessary to display that these were, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the two sons of Hussein.
Still, like I said, they could have showed it just to the Iraqis. Even though many here wanted to see the pics, we didn't need to.
It just made us look like hypocrites on top of everything else the world thinks we are.
Please let it be true this time! - SO - 07-24-2003
Quote:Originally posted by The BrainExcept I can't see any of the "naysayers" seeing these pictures and deciding that the Iraq war is somehow suddenly justified. The Iraq war and the war on terror are two completely different things, despite how much the administration tries to tie them together in the minds of the masses.
This action was as much for the Iraqis to know that two members of the regime were not coming back like boogeymen to get them, as it was for all the naysayers to this war who keep asking why we haven't caught or killed any of the major figures in the great war on terror.
Quote:There are 2 down, and 2 left (Saddam and Osama).This is an oversimplification. Yes, Saddam and Osama need to be taken out (preferably captured alive, if possible, but realistically that won't happen), but bin Laden's death wouldn't be the end of Al Quaeda in and of itself, and at this point Saddam's death would mean about as much as the death of his sons - nice to know another thug is dead, but won't really win over the hearts of the Iraqi's who still don't seem overly thrilled with us right now. At this point, yes, I'm sure there is fear that Saddam will somehow rise to power again, but there's also the problem of what they see as aggressive occupiers, combined with no food, no water, no medicine, etc. It's much more complex than just saying once Saddam is confirmed dead or captured, all will be right once again.
Quote:In some ways, yes it is hypocritical of the army to release the photos to the general public. But where Al-Jazeera was broadcasting American P.O.W.s as a means of propaganda, I consider this photo release to be a fact-showing.Propaganda comes from both sides.
Quote:Remember, Al-Jazeera and the Iraqi regime routinely fed the people misinformation or outright lies concerning this conflict (yeah, and some will say the U.S. gov't and media were no better)Exactly.
Quote:so you can understand how the Iraqi people, and the global community at large, will not just take anyone's word for it. Hussein and his sons regularly used body doubles as well-- it was absolutely necessary to display that these were, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the two sons of Hussein.Well, I'm not saying the Iraqis should'nt have been given proper confirmation of their deaths. My problem is with the circulation by the government of the photos at home, which goes against what they had said a few short months ago. And if the government is worried about having a credibility problem, they have only themselves to blame. Their track record as of late is atrocious.
Please let it be true this time! - Toronto Hottie - 07-24-2003
Quote:Originally posted by McNabbShouldDie
Quote:I don't get it.
Its a play on Iraqi accents you goose you.
(I hope you weret being sarcastic!)
:lol:
You're so cute!!
Please let it be true this time! - Silera - 07-25-2003
This thread is so civil and intelligent that I'm creaming my pants.