Metallicas record sales #'s decline.

[60FeetUnderWater]

Originally posted by goatweed

and THIS is why people still go to see them - not because of St. Anger or any other piece of shit CD they've put out since they started collaborating with Bob Rock.

I think everyone has their own unique reasons as to why they go out and see them still. I know I was happy to hear "St. Anger" & "Frantic" played live.

Much more so than a 15 minute rendition of Seek & Destroy....

Try and defend this latest CD all you want, the music blows and everyone knows it. I've been a Metallica fan since Kill 'Em All (my copy was a copy of a record that was given out at a show when they self-promoted themselves), and Lars' drumming back then was highly influential on my instruction back then. They simply don't have it anymore. Sure, they can rock out live, but their new material is awful.

this is purely opinion, one you have every right to have.

Lars was the first drummer I modeled myself after. Master of Puppers was the first CD I learned to play along with. Trust me, I can relate to the disappointment you express I just disagree as to the reasons over the disappointment, that's all.

And why does finding what theyre putting out make me or anyone else less of a fan, or stuck in the past? WHAT THEY USED TO WRITE KICKED ASS - WHAT THEY WRITE NOW DOES NOT.

hmm, if you like them less now because of the "crap" they've been releasing then, YES, you are now less of a fan by your OWN ADMISSION.

It's not about being stuck in the 80's because as was mentioned in this thread (and I mentioned in another thread elsewhere), Maiden has managed to keep putting out solid CD's despite going through some lineup changes (though the Balze stuff is really awful, but you can't blame them considering he wasn't much to work with).

Sorry but I'm just not into Maiden like you and Sloats are. IMO, those guys never evolved and that = BORING to me. (much love to P.O.M, S.I.T & 7th Son though)

As a musician I enjoy hearing bands evolve. Good bands evolve, they change over time. I don't want a band to give me the same album over and over again.

After Seventh Son, Maiden did nothing more but attempt to rehash the great dual harmony leads and such that was all over their previous work.

They lose Dickenson, they sucked even moreso. They realize it so what do they do? Get Brucie back into the band to do what exactly?? Try to capture the same magic they had years ago. End result - formulatic tripe.

IMO.

St. Anger is unlike any of their previous efforts, IMO. I can only hope that on the next album, they keep the ferocious energy and just clean things up a bit production wise.

The point is, they're MTV Icons - that in and of itself is awful. This is a band who prided themselves on not being sellouts to the industry, prided themselves on being true to the fans, and true to their music. Now, they're the complete opposite.

See, to me, I say "goo fo you Metallica! Goo fo you!" Let them be MTV Icons....

Pop in a copy of Cliff em All and then come talk to me about how they're still the same fellas - they became that which they used to despise. Cliff is probaly rolling in his grave 24/7.

Look, I'm not saying that Metallica is exactly the same as yesteryear..they simply are not. Humans get older and change over time, its what we all do.

A musician is no different. A good musician welcomes it and explores other forms of expression within their craft. Metallica did this with Load, Reload and the Symphony album and then decided to go back to their personal roots.

I can hear it in their songs, that raw energy of yesteryear... Folks like you Goat and Sloats, you guys can't.

and thats ok.


(and I'm not trying to hate on Maiden, they were the first band I ever saw in concert. I have respect for them but not as much as Metallica)

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Pop in a copy of Cliff em All and then come talk to me about how they're still the same fellas - they became that which they used to despise. Cliff is probaly rolling in his grave 24/7.

Yeah if I were dead I'd be pissed if I wasn't making a shit load of money too.

[Goatweed]

you can like the cd all you like, but the point is many people obviously do not - and I dont chalk their low record sales (or anyone elses, for that matter) to the whole file-sharing issue because quite frankly it's not the problem, and never was. If anything, swapping tunes HELPED them and other bands, especially in other countries where these CD's are either impossible to get or it just takes forever to get.

And maiden has indeed evolved, they changed - in fact, prior to bruce their evolution was slow and stagnant - D'Ianno wanted Maiden to be primarilly punk-based and Harris wanted to make it more metal and grandiose - enter Bruce, the evolution started. And if you listen to any of the "new" Maiden and compare it to Piece of Mind or one of the other classics, you'll not only see that it's just if not nearly as good, it's also very different (especially Dance of Death).

If Metallica wants to be an MTV icon, then fine - but look at the company they're keeping with. The MTV generation is full shallow, systematic one-trick-pony "bands", and kids today eat it up. When I listened to music, I didn't need MTV to tell me it was good - and most times what MTV sai d was good often sucked (that trend hasn't changed today, either). The Limp Bizkits, POD's, etc. are awful but MTV keeps trying to shove it down kids throats.

Metallica wasn't some metal act - they were kings. These were guys who, when they opened for Ozzy, people wondered why they weren't headlining! They got critical acclaim and success WITHOUT MTV, WITHOUT radio-play (aside from local radio stations - I miss WSOU), and still sold out arenas. The relied on their writing, and it carried them well. That's not the case anymore, now they're riding on their reputation.

As for Cliff missing out on the $$ 'cause he's dead, he said many times that he'd rather fail and play to play then sellout and play to get rich - in fact, they ALL said that years ago and stuck with that attitude until Elektra and Bob Rock convinced them otherwise. Im sure they wanted to make money and be successful - my point is they were doing just that before they went to shit. They didnt need MTV or any suits to change them, but thats what happened.

if that makes me less of a fan, perhaps - would I still see them live? I might, but ive seen them many times, I dare say more than most people here, and after seeing clips and bits of their live performances over the last bunch of years, I think I'm better off with my memories when they were a better band.

[Sloats]

WDIL: Limp Bizkit = The Sherb

[TheDude]

A damn shame that bus didn't take them all out... Stevie Ray Vaughn gone in a helicopter crash and yet Lars "little whiney Denmark bitch" Ulrich still breaths. Oh the humanity

[JimmyBlueEyes]

It was a lame attempt at going back to the personal roots....no solos?? Are you fucking kidding me?? I've listened to St Anger and I am sorry but the quick tempo changes are not easy to take. I'm not a musician and I never claimed to be, although I can sing ok, but this is not a good album. They should have listened to some of their old material and said ok how can we build on that power and fury?? Or if they did, they didn't build on it like they should have. I am done..no more debating this one. As the guys in Anthrax (another band that has evolved and still sounds great) called them, they are like us, but with money.