Whats Left?

[GreasyItalianPrincess]

We haven't had this much fun since we got the <b>Easy-Bake Oven, Dachau Model</b> last Hannukah.

[TheDude]

That was fun indeed =) It even came with free canisters of Zyclon-B

[BITENY]

:lol:
Stupid Heebs




Weaver better fucking leave NY.
Hell, I'll make a voodoo doll of him for next year so he can be in pain & not play.......stupid hick...

[GreasyItalianPrincess]

Mine came with special speakers so you could hear Irving's screams

[TheDude]

Makes a lovely lampshade when its done....

[Flock of Moosen]

God, would I love to see Steinbrenner's reaction if this actually happens. :lol:

Clemens to possibly un-retire

[Sloats]

Originally posted by 60FeetUnderWater
you guys are giving Sloats a hard-on with all this anti-semitism talk.

STOP RIGHT THERE!! I don't like anti-semitic conversations. There is no need to hate Jews, they hate themselves enough. I merely hate social separtists and social pariahs.


Well, I don't concider Amish separtists. They do live amongst themselves, but they do welcome and respect moderners and they don't act like they are better.....

[SO]

Weaver better fucking leave NY.
Hell, I'll make a voodoo doll of him for next year so he can be in pain & not play.......stupid hick...

Ya know, while Weaver did have an atrocious year and there's really no excuse for it, all you Yankee fans who are so eager to see him go will be cursing Steinbrenner for getting rid of him when he's a perennial all-star.

Nick Johnson, Jeff Weaver, Brandon Claussen - In 5 years, these 3 will be among the best in baseball, and will be remembered as the ones the Yankees let get away due to George's "win now" mentality.

[BITENY]

I'll hold my breath waiting for Weaver to become an all star....

[SO]

Aah, spoken like a true Yankee fan. One bad season, let's just write off their whole career!

Listen, like I said, Weaver had a horrible year. However, any true baseball fan knows that he has the talent to be one of the best pitchers in the game, and has shown that ability in the past. Don't believe me?

Look at his career. After struggling in his rookie season, as a 23 year old sophmore in 2000 he put up very respectable numbers for the mediocre Tigers: 11-15 record (on a team that won only 79 games), 136 K, 111 ERA+ in 200 innings. Nothing spectacular, but very good for a second year pitcher on a sub-500 team.

In 2001, his numbers: 13-16 (team record: 66-96), 152 K, 109 ERA+ in 229.1 innings.

2002: As a starter in Det before being traded, he went 6-8 for a team that would finish the year with only 55 wins. He left the Tigers having thrown 3 shutouts, eating 121 innings in 17 starts with an outstanding 132 ERA+.

After the trade, he split his time between starting and relief with the Yanks, going 5-3 with a 108 ERA+ and 57 K's in 78 innings.

So, not including his rookie season, he's had 3 very solid seasons in 4 years. For a 27 year old pitcher, that's an impressive resume.

Now let's compare Weaver to a similar pitcher: Jason Schmidt.

Schmidt started his career as a 21 year old rookie with the Braves, where he struggled before being traded to Pittsburgh in the middle of the 1996 season. Over the next few years, he would show signs of the player he'd become, winning 10, 11, and 13 games for the sub-500 Pirates from 97-99.

In 2000 he had a terrible, injury plagued year, and by midseason 2001 the Pirates had enough of him so they traded him to SF. At 27 years of age, he played half a season with the Giants posting a 7-1 record with a 118 ERA+, and went on to win 13 games each of the next two seasons before really breaking out this year, winning 17 with a whopping 183 ERA+ (and he should've won the Cy Young...).

Now, go back in time to the 2000-01 offseason and talk to any Pirates fan and ask them about Jason Schmidt, and they'll probably say the same things Yankees fans are saying about Jeff Weaver today. They wanted him gone, figured any success he'd had in the past was an anomaly and he'd never amount to anything more than a mediocre starter and not the kind of guy you'd build a rotation around.

Boy, were they wrong. And look where the Pirates are now. I'll bet they'd love to have Jason Schmidt on their team now.

And in a few years, Yankee fans will wish Jeff Weaver were still wearing pinstripes. I guarantee it.