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Hate to say I told you so, but at least you learned a valuable lesson about car dealers.
Here's a prediction on how the meeting will go:
You walk in, he tells you he'll drop his price $100. You say to drop it the whole grand, he says you're crazy, works it down to $750 over and shows you a bullshit invoice or other form that says how much money he would lose by letting it go at that price that he offered. Eventually, you'll work it down to about $550 over the value that you got, realize that you wont be able to get it at a price near that without restarting the headache process all over again with someone else, and to spare yourself the aggravation, convince yourself that it's not that much more than what you were going to pay and take it.
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Quote:Originally posted by Six-Pack
Hate to say I told you so, but at least you learned a valuable lesson about car dealers.
You are right, I did learn a valuable lesson but...
uhh...
what exactly did you tell me the first time around? :confused:
All I see is a joke about how Prick Salesman was going to do everything to not give me a good deal and that point of yours is something I never disagreed to.
Quote:Here's a prediction on how the meeting will go:
You walk in, he tells you he'll drop his price $100. You say to drop it the whole grand, he says you're crazy, works it down to $750 over and shows you a bullshit invoice or other form that says how much money he would lose by letting it go at that price that he offered. Eventually, you'll work it down to about $550 over the value that you got, realize that you wont be able to get it at a price near that without restarting the headache process all over again with someone else, and to spare yourself the aggravation, convince yourself that it's not that much more than what you were going to pay and take it.
well, you see, the game is STILL ON. He hasn't won dick. And fuck that - I will engage in negotiation after negotitation until I get a FAIR deal.
It's all about perserverence my man.
Anything worth doing is never easy.
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I think it's simple. Walk in, tell him this is the price you'll pay, if he doesn't meet the price, turn it in, and buy a car somewhere else. It doesn't have to be a haggle. Just name your price, leave your number, and turn around and leave.
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I agree with MYLF. When I bought my car in '98, I had done my research, knew what the car was going for, the dealer price, sticker price, option prices, etc. I went to 3 dealerships.
#1 told me I was crazy and they couldn't meet my price.
#2 talked to me like I was an idiot because I'm a woman and couldn't possibly know anything.
#3 sold me the car at about $100 over what I wanted -- and called later that day to tell me that they had made a mistake with the interest...it was actually LOWER.
They kinda screwed me on my trade in though...only gave me $350, but it WAS 11 years old with 111,000 miles.
Check out edmunds.com, msn autos, kbb.com (kelly blue book) -- find out from them (impartial parties) what your car (and the alternate car you're looking at) goes for. Don't trust the dealer or the leasing company.
If it ends up that you walk away from this dealership (which sounds like a damn good idea), be prepared because you'll have to start all over again.
One more piece of advice...if you come on too cocky or too strong, that may make the salesman try even harder to get over on you.
What kind of cars are we talking about here, anyway?
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Quote:Originally posted by sweet angelCheck out edmunds.com, msn autos, kbb.com (kelly blue book) -- find out from them (impartial parties) what your car (and the alternate car you're looking at) goes for. Don't trust the dealer or the leasing company.
Oh, I have been - edmunds and KBB have been my best friends throughout this process. Also, CarBuyingtips.com and a couple of other random sites.
Quote:If it ends up that you walk away from this dealership (which sounds like a damn good idea), be prepared because you'll have to start all over again.
I've been to 2 dealerships already and looking at a third one this week. I knew that to find the best price, you're gonna have to go to more than 2 places....
And I did walk away ultimately - I wasn't going to give that prick the satisfaction of having my business again. Read ahead for details... 
Quote:One more piece of advice...if you come on too cocky or too strong, that may make the salesman try even harder to get over on you.
What kind of cars are we talking about here, anyway?
2003 Grand Am SE2. Valued at about $22,000 or so having the options and such that I'd want.
So - I went back to scumbag Jim, you know, the prick that tried to pull a fast one....
Well, after some negotiating with him and then one of the 3 owners, I got them to go down to $18000 and I STILL turned them down.
Just to piss them off. :bouncy: VENGANZA!
Also, knowing that I've yet to negotiate with Dealer #2 and also have yet to sit down with dealer #3 (who ALREADY is promising me that he'll beat ANY price AND will throw in a vacation package! :lol: ) ....
I know I'll be able to get that price (if not a better one) at one of these other 2 dealerships.
I basically used Jim and his scummy dealership to practice my negotiating skills. :nod:
From $22,000 $18000 in 1 and 1/2 hours. :backflip:
*pats self on back*
It was so priceless to see the look on Jims' face as I left and said "Well, I'll let you know by the end of the week if you guys won me over".
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You know, for the same price or maybe $1000 more, you can get a Grand Prix which is bigger and rides very nicely (used to own a 1996). At some point there is a benefit of moving up a model for the same price.
Dammit, I knew I should have made that left turn at Albequerque
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Quote:Originally posted by Metalfan
You know, for the same price or maybe $1000 more, you can get a Grand Prix which is bigger and rides very nicely (used to own a 1996). At some point there is a benefit of moving up a model for the same price.
this is true, the Grand Prix is not much more than $22000 BUT...if I went for the Prix, I lose out on all the "trimmings", ya know?
trust me Metal, I pondered about that very thing...
It's just that for $21,000 (which I WILL chew down to $18000 before purchasing), the Grand Am that I seek has everything I'd want in it. Sunroof, CD/cassette, 3.4 L/6 cylinders, power everything, etc...
and no Mr. Stein, I did not say "jew down"...I said CHEW down.
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Quote:Originally posted by fhore twentee
this is true, the Grand Prix is not much more than $22000 BUT...if I went for the Prix, I lose out on all the \"trimmings\", ya know?
trust me Metal, I pondered about that very thing...
That's exactly why I bought the GP and not the Bonneville back then. I would have only wanted the supercharged one which was about $8K more
Dammit, I knew I should have made that left turn at Albequerque
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Sounds like you're doing a good job...I may have to take you with me when I go shopping for my Tribute at the end of the year.
Pontiac, huh? I have a '98 Sunfire and I think it's the biggest piece of shit going. Granted, it doesn't have ANY bells and whistles (except CD player), but it's garbage compared to my old Nissan Pulsar. Everyone else with Pontiacs seems to love them though, so maybe it's just my luck.
Good luck with it.
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When I "inhereted" my wife's Subaru I was not happy. But after driving it, I think it's one of the best cars out there. Especially reliablity-wise.
My next car will be:
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