Richard Clarke

[Kid Afrika]

Do you mean to say that you believe what the gov't tells you? tsk tsk

[Black Lazerus]

No, but... I just don't know what to believe anymore.

[Kid Afrika]

Believe that when the swing state for the president to "win" the election just happens to be the state of which his brother is governor, something's not right.

Believe that reports from multiple sources linking the Bush family and the bin Laden family financially can't all be wrong.

Believe that if we can find Sadam Hussein in a hole under some hut in the middle of nowhere, we can find Osama if we want to. Why don't we?

There's just too much shit that fits together too well to not believe that something is being held back from the American public.

I'm not saying that everything these people say has to be true, but so much of it is just too logical to not make sense.

[Black Lazerus]

the only thing that I will believe is that i need to move off of the east coast.

[Flock of Moosen]

Originally posted by Kid Afrika
Believe that if we can find Sadam Hussein in a hole under some hut in the middle of nowhere, we can find Osama if we want to. Why don't we?

I know this will sound conspiracy theorist-like, but I am fully expecting bin Laden to "miraculously" be captured right before the election. This way Bush will look like the man who finally caught Public Enemy #1.

If he is, I believe we may have had the bastard for a while and are just waiting to reveal it. Stuff like that, if true, sickens me.

[Kid Afrika]

They'll end up finding him dead somewhere.

But, it won't really be him.

Have you seen Swordfish?

[Flock of Moosen]

Always wanted to see it, but haven't yet.

[Kid Afrika]

Well dammit, either download it or rent it. You have to see it. PFFT!!! and you call yourself a geek?

Oh wait, you don't? nm RTFM

[Crackle]

Believe that when the swing state for the president to \"win\" the election just happens to be the state of which his brother is governor, something's not right.

This reminds me of a quote I read.

'Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything.' - Joseph Stalin

Scary, huh.

I've seen Swordfish. Great movie. There's probably more truth to that movie than most people want to believe.

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Originally posted by The Brain

Originally posted by header
Evidence points to the fact that he got rid of them disposed of them destroyed them whatever in 1991. However they spent 12 years with UN resolutions and pussyfooting around inspectors letting them in kicking them out letting them in kicking them out Why? What for? If they didn't have them if they destroyed them? Hussein got what he wanted. A war.

Damn, this is pretty much what we've been arguing about around here for the better part of the past year.

I don't think it was so much that Hussein wanted a war-- he sure as hell knew that without a massive pre-emptive strike against us, he had no chance of winning, and he sure wasn't going to get any backup from other Arab nations. I think it was more a show of force.

Remember, among Middle Eastern countries especially, force equals respect. If he tipped off his hand to the U.N. that he <i>didn't</i> have nuclear or chemical weaponry, he couldn't keep Iran, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and-- this is major-- Israel, afraid of him.

I'll agree with this. Essentially though he bluffed thinking he would get a couple cruise missiles lobbed at him. I don't think he believed we would invade. We called his bluff and he's out of power. So basically he knew to some degree that this calculated risk he took could backfire on him.