09-11-2004, 11:35 PM
09-11-2004, 11:52 PM
No ink cartridge shall be safe!!!!!
09-12-2004, 12:03 AM
Quote:It is not the position of government to grant us our rights, for they are given to us by our creator and predate government's existence. Government's proper role is to protect those rights.
Fifteen day waiting periods for ink cartridges!!! We'll all be a safer!!!
09-12-2004, 01:30 AM
I love the smell of ink in the morning.
09-12-2004, 01:34 AM
If we can prevent just one typo, then it will be worth it.
09-12-2004, 05:08 AM
so, should weapons of mass destruction be available to all citizens, if they want them?
regular citizens are limited in the types of weapons they can own for a reason. sometimes the government is actually trying to protect you. i know thats a tough concept for some people to grasp.
regular citizens are limited in the types of weapons they can own for a reason. sometimes the government is actually trying to protect you. i know thats a tough concept for some people to grasp.
09-12-2004, 08:28 AM
according to mad's twisted logic, then yes, we should all be allowed to buy a nuke as long as we feel thats what we need to protect ourselves. washington said it was cool.
09-12-2004, 01:48 PM
If Arpi says it's OK, then that's all I need.
Could someone give a couple of billion so I can upgrade.
Could someone give a couple of billion so I can upgrade.
09-14-2004, 03:31 AM
Today President George W. Bush allowed the Assault Weapons Ban to expire.
And today Senator John Kerry blasted the president for letting the ban expire. "George Bush made a choice today," Kerry said. "He chose his powerful friends in the gun lobby over the police officers and the families he promised to protect. The President made the wrong choice."
Here's the full text of the comments Kerry made after receiving the endorsement of the National Association of Police Organizations and the National Coalition of Public Safety Officers:
Thank you. It's great to be here at the Thurgood Marshall Center. For so many years, this is a place that has given our children the gift of hope. And today, I am proud to stand with the heroes who risk their lives every day so that our children can live that hope on safe streets in protected communities.
I want to thank the National Association of Police Organizations and the National Coalition of Public Safety Officers for their endorsement today. These organizations, along with International Brotherhood of Police Officers, the International Union of Police Associations, and police officers all across the country are standing with me in this campaign because they know we need to set a new direction for America. And like me, they're tired of a President who takes cops off the streets with one hand while he puts AK-47s back on with the other.
Ten years ago today, with the leadership of Sarah Brady and police officers all across the country, we passed a tough crime bill to protect America. We made sure that criminals couldn't get their hands on assault weapons. And I'm proud I led the fight to put 100,000 cops into our nation's communities where they could make an impact and stop crimes before they happen. And it worked. We saw record drops in violent crime all over America, including gang violence and school-related murders. We saw assault weapon-related crimes drop 65%. Criminals were on the run and communities were able to live in peace because of the tireless work of brave officers.
But then George Bush became President. And when his powerful and well-connected friends asked for a massive tax cut he said "sure," and he paid for it by gutting the COPS program, slashing gang prevention, and cutting enforcement programs that keep drugs like meth off the streets.
Sure enough, over the last four years, crime has made a comeback: 800 more murders a year. Gang-related deaths up 40%. And more school murders last year than even the year of the Columbine shootings.
So when it came time to decide whether to keep the ban on assault weapons, the evidence was staring George Bush in the face: crime on the rise. More criminals looking for more dangerous weapons. Al-Qaeda telling terrorists to get their assault weapons in America. Police officers begging the President to keep the ban so they don't walk into a drug bust staring down the barrel of an Uzi.
George Bush gave them his word that he would keep the ban. But when it came time to extend it and George Bush's powerful friends in the gun lobby asked him to look the other way, he just couldn't resist, and he said "sure." And so tomorrow, for the first time in ten years, when a killer walks into a gun shop and wants to purchase an AK-47, he's gonna hear one word: "sure."
Today, George Bush chose to make the job of terrorists easier and make the job of America's police officers harder. That's wrong. Let me be very clear. I support the second amendment. I've been a hunter all my life. But I don't think we need to make the job of the terrorists any easier.
I'm a former prosecutor who knows what it takes to fight crime. After I returned from Vietnam, I worked in the DA's office in Massachusetts. We put murderers and mob bosses behind bars for life. As President, I will continue to fight crime and stand with police officers in doing whatever it takes to protect our communities and keep our families safe.
Our plan for a safer America puts more police officers back on the beat by restoring every last dime of funding to the COPS program. We'll also put 5,000 new prosecutors in our communities to help our police officers fight crime and put criminals behind bars.
We'll take on gang violence with a zero-tolerance policy and a message to our young people that there is another path. And we'll help local law enforcement shut down the methamphetamine labs that are taking the lives of our children and we'll make it harder to buy the drug in the first place.
Finally, we will always keep ban that keeps dangerous, military-style assault weapons out of the hands of killers and terrorists.
George Bush made a choice today. He chose his powerful friends in the gun lobby over the police officers and the families he promised to protect. The President made the wrong choice. When I am President, we will set America in a new direction with a plan to fight crime and keep our communities safer.
And today Senator John Kerry blasted the president for letting the ban expire. "George Bush made a choice today," Kerry said. "He chose his powerful friends in the gun lobby over the police officers and the families he promised to protect. The President made the wrong choice."
Here's the full text of the comments Kerry made after receiving the endorsement of the National Association of Police Organizations and the National Coalition of Public Safety Officers:
Thank you. It's great to be here at the Thurgood Marshall Center. For so many years, this is a place that has given our children the gift of hope. And today, I am proud to stand with the heroes who risk their lives every day so that our children can live that hope on safe streets in protected communities.
I want to thank the National Association of Police Organizations and the National Coalition of Public Safety Officers for their endorsement today. These organizations, along with International Brotherhood of Police Officers, the International Union of Police Associations, and police officers all across the country are standing with me in this campaign because they know we need to set a new direction for America. And like me, they're tired of a President who takes cops off the streets with one hand while he puts AK-47s back on with the other.
Ten years ago today, with the leadership of Sarah Brady and police officers all across the country, we passed a tough crime bill to protect America. We made sure that criminals couldn't get their hands on assault weapons. And I'm proud I led the fight to put 100,000 cops into our nation's communities where they could make an impact and stop crimes before they happen. And it worked. We saw record drops in violent crime all over America, including gang violence and school-related murders. We saw assault weapon-related crimes drop 65%. Criminals were on the run and communities were able to live in peace because of the tireless work of brave officers.
But then George Bush became President. And when his powerful and well-connected friends asked for a massive tax cut he said "sure," and he paid for it by gutting the COPS program, slashing gang prevention, and cutting enforcement programs that keep drugs like meth off the streets.
Sure enough, over the last four years, crime has made a comeback: 800 more murders a year. Gang-related deaths up 40%. And more school murders last year than even the year of the Columbine shootings.
So when it came time to decide whether to keep the ban on assault weapons, the evidence was staring George Bush in the face: crime on the rise. More criminals looking for more dangerous weapons. Al-Qaeda telling terrorists to get their assault weapons in America. Police officers begging the President to keep the ban so they don't walk into a drug bust staring down the barrel of an Uzi.
George Bush gave them his word that he would keep the ban. But when it came time to extend it and George Bush's powerful friends in the gun lobby asked him to look the other way, he just couldn't resist, and he said "sure." And so tomorrow, for the first time in ten years, when a killer walks into a gun shop and wants to purchase an AK-47, he's gonna hear one word: "sure."
Today, George Bush chose to make the job of terrorists easier and make the job of America's police officers harder. That's wrong. Let me be very clear. I support the second amendment. I've been a hunter all my life. But I don't think we need to make the job of the terrorists any easier.
I'm a former prosecutor who knows what it takes to fight crime. After I returned from Vietnam, I worked in the DA's office in Massachusetts. We put murderers and mob bosses behind bars for life. As President, I will continue to fight crime and stand with police officers in doing whatever it takes to protect our communities and keep our families safe.
Our plan for a safer America puts more police officers back on the beat by restoring every last dime of funding to the COPS program. We'll also put 5,000 new prosecutors in our communities to help our police officers fight crime and put criminals behind bars.
We'll take on gang violence with a zero-tolerance policy and a message to our young people that there is another path. And we'll help local law enforcement shut down the methamphetamine labs that are taking the lives of our children and we'll make it harder to buy the drug in the first place.
Finally, we will always keep ban that keeps dangerous, military-style assault weapons out of the hands of killers and terrorists.
George Bush made a choice today. He chose his powerful friends in the gun lobby over the police officers and the families he promised to protect. The President made the wrong choice. When I am President, we will set America in a new direction with a plan to fight crime and keep our communities safer.
09-14-2004, 03:47 AM
I am going to go price a AK-47 and a Tech-9 tomorrow.
09-14-2004, 03:51 AM
i feel so much safer living in newark already!
09-14-2004, 03:56 AM
will the gangs defend newark with their assault weapons when the terrorists use theres?
wouldn't that be something
wouldn't that be something
09-14-2004, 04:00 AM
let some arab come into the hood on that allah akbar shit if he wants to. he will get shot and robbed.
09-14-2004, 05:36 AM
Yeah, but he'll be shot with a .380
I love a good argument more than anyone, but there's just no argument here. There are no solid justifications for needing assault weapons.
I'll give you the simple comparison of the motorcycle helmet laws... Do we need them? No! Do they save lives? YES!
I don't think there should be a law that I should have to wear a seatbelt, but I understand that seatbelts do save lives statistically and that when less people die insurance gets cheaper and well... less people die.
However, I am confronted with quite the quandary(sp?)...
I don't think the assault weapon ban keeps weapons off the street. Criminals (IMO) don't buy their weapons OTC.
I do think that if assault weapons are legal, there are more opportunities for a criminal to get one, simply because there are more around.
I guess at the end of the day I'm not so scared of mad having an assault weapon. I'm more scared of the guy that breaks into mad's house and steals it and then sells it to a stick up kid from Linden without shit to lose.
There is definitely no clear-cut answer, but it's arguments like those presented here that weaken the one leg the pro-assault weapon folks have to stand on.
Yes, you could view the AWB as an infringement of your rights. But, how is that any different from being asked for ID every time you board a plane?
As our world matures and becomes more dangerous, some fundamental freedoms will subside. You really have to weigh out whether, or not, a "freedom" should actually be a privilege.
I love a good argument more than anyone, but there's just no argument here. There are no solid justifications for needing assault weapons.
I'll give you the simple comparison of the motorcycle helmet laws... Do we need them? No! Do they save lives? YES!
I don't think there should be a law that I should have to wear a seatbelt, but I understand that seatbelts do save lives statistically and that when less people die insurance gets cheaper and well... less people die.
However, I am confronted with quite the quandary(sp?)...
I don't think the assault weapon ban keeps weapons off the street. Criminals (IMO) don't buy their weapons OTC.
I do think that if assault weapons are legal, there are more opportunities for a criminal to get one, simply because there are more around.
I guess at the end of the day I'm not so scared of mad having an assault weapon. I'm more scared of the guy that breaks into mad's house and steals it and then sells it to a stick up kid from Linden without shit to lose.
There is definitely no clear-cut answer, but it's arguments like those presented here that weaken the one leg the pro-assault weapon folks have to stand on.
Yes, you could view the AWB as an infringement of your rights. But, how is that any different from being asked for ID every time you board a plane?
As our world matures and becomes more dangerous, some fundamental freedoms will subside. You really have to weigh out whether, or not, a "freedom" should actually be a privilege.
09-14-2004, 01:19 PM
Laz in New Jersey, you're shit out of luck on "assault weapons", high capacity magazines and hollow point ammo.
There is a State Law against all of those, so you'll have to move or "break" some law to get one. Some local NJ Police Chief has a memo telling all PO's in NJ to arrest any off duty, out of State cop who is in possession of them.
Which is in conflict with the new federal law giving retired and off duty cops from any state the right to carry their weapon with them.
There is a State Law against all of those, so you'll have to move or "break" some law to get one. Some local NJ Police Chief has a memo telling all PO's in NJ to arrest any off duty, out of State cop who is in possession of them.
Which is in conflict with the new federal law giving retired and off duty cops from any state the right to carry their weapon with them.
09-14-2004, 07:34 PM
So NJ is a rogue state?
09-14-2004, 09:52 PM
No no no. You obviously haven't been paying attention. NJ is a slave state.
09-14-2004, 10:53 PM
And fudge packing too.
09-14-2004, 11:26 PM
so the militias of the bloods and crips won't be able to defend me?
09-14-2004, 11:36 PM
You're not one of THEM.
So, no deal, unless you pay them some extortion cash upfront for "protection".
So, no deal, unless you pay them some extortion cash upfront for "protection".