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- HedCold - 09-07-2005 Quote:If people expect the federal government to be in charge of things like this, they are wrong. If they want them to be, then more often than not, it's going to be a shitstormthe federal government can't pick and choose the good and bad spots to get involved in things like this. if they want to control all the aspects of our life like they've been trying to, then they have to suck it up and either help when this happens, or take the complaints. if anything good comes out of this maybe someone will bring these points up, and it will lead to more of a seperation between federal and state governments, but i really doubt that. the reason people believe the federal government should be involved is because the federal government has lead us to believe they should be involved - The Jays - 09-07-2005 Galt Wrote:It should not have taken a week to get them there, but it's not going to be two days to mobilize thousands of people. It is going to to day a few days. I just does. That's all I'm saying. By knee-jerk I mean that people's first reaction is that the federal government shold be fixing issues, when it should not be the case.The Federal government has a special, often used, part of the government which is TRAINED to mobilize thousands of people in a matter of HOURS. Its called the US Military. Are you saying we can't get the US military into a city in our own fucking country for five fucking days? But besides all that, you're right, it takes a few days. How much notice did they have that the hurricane was on a path for New Orleans? Three days. And with the path it was taking, it's not very hard to conclude that by the time it made landfall in Florida on the 25th that it would go into the Gulf and pick up more strength. On the 25th, someone should have said "hey, that there hurricane is about to spend the next few days in the warm water of the Gulf, and then it's gonna pass over a portion of the Gulf Coast. Maybe we should mobilize some people." The Hurricane Center put out a warning that said total catastrophic damage predicted for New Orleans. That oughta mean that the worst case scenario oughta be prepared for. What was the worse case scenario? That the storm surge goes over the levee and puts the city in 30 feet of water with 100,000 people dying. What actually happened? The levee broke before the surge went over the wall, thus, less people died, and thus, there were more survivors. Chertoff basically claims that this is the reason why he wasn't prepared for New Orleans; because he had planned on all of those survivors being dead. - Galt - 09-07-2005 I agree. Though whenever anyone suggests any "cuts" to any federal program they are booed and hissed. - HedCold - 09-07-2005 Galt Wrote:I agree. Though whenever anyone suggests any "cuts" to any federal program they are booed and hissed.well maybe federal cuts should really mean state increases? - The Jays - 09-07-2005 Galt Wrote:I agree. Though whenever anyone suggests any "cuts" to any federal program they are booed and hissed.Ah yes, the booing and hissing, definitely the hardest part about running a fucking government the right way. - Mad - 09-07-2005 Too much bullshit paper work and useless fucktard's work in government. Don't believe me, see for yourself at any DMV office. - The Jays - 09-07-2005 Hey Galt, I didn't know you were on tv today! Quote:"I understand there are 10,000 people dead. It's terrible. It's tragic. But in a democracy of 300 million people, over years and years and years, these things happen." Quote:These things happen. That's Jack's defense of the government. You'll always notice with characters of his ilk, (a classic example of what AmericaBlog is reporting ) they always make wild statements without any evidence to back it up and shuck and jive their way around the issue. People like Burkman get on TV because they regurgitate idiotic premises and constantly interrupt the other guest.. <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Connect....t~1.wmv">http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Connect....t~1.wmv</a><!-- m --> - The Jays - 09-07-2005 Quote:Q Scott, the President on Saturday referred to the problems of bureaucracy. It's now Tuesday. The Vice President heads down there on Thursday to deal with it. Can you cite for us a specific bureaucratic impediment that has been identified and corrected today? - Goatweed - 09-07-2005 noone wants to take blame, and everyone seems to think general statements are the right answers. and then people wonder why the rest of the world hates & laughs at us. this country has become a real bad joke. - Hoon - 09-07-2005 I don't see the down side to this... - HedCold - 09-07-2005 Hoon Wrote:I don't see the down side to this...you weren't in new orleans when it happened - Suzie - 09-07-2005 diceisgod Wrote:Wanna get married?My whole life until now has been merely prelude to this moment. - Mad - 09-07-2005 Does NA cater weddings? - Galt - 09-07-2005 WSJ editorial opines on role of local vs. federal government in distasters Quote:The primary responsibility for dealing with emergencies does not belong to the federal government. It belongs to local and state officials who are charged by law with the management of the crucial first response to disasters. First response should be carried out by local and state emergency personnel under the supervision of the state governor and his emergency operations center. Quote:...local, state and federal officials held a simulated hurricane drill 13 months ago, in which widespread flooding supposedly trapped 300,000 people inside New Orleans. The exercise simulated the evacuation of more than a million residents. The problems identified in the simulation apparently were not solved. Quote:A year ago, as Hurricane Ivan approached, New Orleans ordered an evacuation but did not use city or school buses to help people evacuate. As a result many of the poorest citizens were unable to evacuate. Fortunately, the hurricane changed course and did not hit New Orleans, but both Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin acknowledged the need for a better evacuation plan. Again, they did not take corrective actions. In 1998, during a threat by Hurricane George, 14,000 people were sent to the Superdome and theft and vandalism were rampant due to inadequate security. Again, these problems were not corrected. Quote:The city's evacuation plan states: "The city of New Orleans will utilize all available resources to quickly and safely evacuate threatened areas." But even though the city has enough school and transit buses to evacuate 12,000 citizens per fleet run, the mayor did not use them. To compound the problem, the buses were not moved to high ground and were flooded. The plan also states that "special arrangements will be made to evacuate persons unable to transport themselves or who require specific lifesaving assistance. Additional personnel will be recruited to assist in evacuation procedures as needed." This was not done. Quote:State legislators and governors nationwide need to update their contingency plans and the operation procedures for state emergency centers. Hurricane Katrina had been forecast for days, but that will not always be the case with a disaster (think of terrorist attacks). It must be made clear that the governor and locally elected officials are in charge of the "first response." Quote:I am not attempting to excuse some of the delays in FEMA's response. Congress and the president need to take corrective action there, also. However, if citizens expect FEMA to be a first responder to terrorist attacks or other local emergencies (earthquakes, forest fires, volcanoes), they will be disappointed. The federal government's role is to offer aid upon request. - The Jays - 09-07-2005 You shouldn't have to request aid from the Federal government when they already have a paper in their hand saying NEW ORLEANS TO GET SHIT KICKED OUT OF IT. It's like telling the police there's going to be a robbery, and then watching the police not respond to the scene until the owner calls up and says he's been robbed. Wal-mart didn't wait to provide aid. They didn't wait to be asked. You are obviously quite happy with the results of the hurricane. You seem to have the complete faith in the government's responsibility. I am sure you also think Winston Churchill is a scum sucking liberal. Edited By The Jays on 1126129549 - The Jays - 09-07-2005 ![]() - Mad - 09-07-2005 So are you saying that because the head moolie in charge failed to heed the prior warnings from previous drills that it's FEMA's fault? Someone needs to take History 101. - diceisgod - 09-07-2005 Not counting the incalculable number of deaths and suffering people, this is the coolest thing that has ever happened. - Mad - 09-07-2005 One storm and see how you can clean up the Big Easy of all the scum sucking leeches. Hope they're smart enough not to let them back. - Galt - 09-07-2005 Yes, I'm clearly happy with everyone dying, and am happy with every action the federal government has done, and I love George Bush. That's exactly what I've posted numerous times. Since you obviously only paid attention to parts of the WSJ editorial that I posted, I see no reason to think you've paid attention to the other stuff I've written. Huzzah to dead black people. Long live George Bush. |