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crx girl Wrote:

Goatweed Wrote:

crx girl Wrote:i like to think that i'm the greatest piece of board whore ass out there

oh?

sorry, i was wearing my money pants last night. i'm developing an ego

we might wanna take this to another thread - or better yet, private. We don't wanna get you-know-who mad at us for going off topic.

GonzoStyle Wrote:This thread has gone way off topic and to be honest I really like the idea of this thread so apologies to sir o and to try to get back on topic...

I've always been fascinated by conspiracy theories and naturally the Kennedy Assasination has always been one of my favorite topics. There's so many theories on who could have been behind it, was it the cubans? the mafia? the russians? the cia? a mixture of different people or was it simply just one guy named Oswald? There's many popular theories but there are some lesser known theories that our outlandish and some that are very unlikely but interesting to read and this is one of them.

Did the FED kill Kennedy?

Quote:Presidential Executive Order 11,110 is quite infamous among conspiracy buffs. Jim Marrs, author of Crossfire: The Plot that Killed Kennedy, writes that the order instructs the Treasury secretary to issue about $4.2 billion in silver certificates as a form of currency in place of Federal Reserve Notes.1 Written by John F. Kennedy, Marrs also speculates this order was part of a larger plan by Kennedy to reduce the influence of the Federal Reserve by giving the Treasury more power to issue currency. The order wassigned June 4, 1963. A few months later, of course, Kennedy was killed, and conspiracy theorists hypothesize a link between the murder and E.O. 11,110. They argue that the Federal Reserve was somehow involved in the assassination to protect its power over monetary policy.

The executive order modifies a pre-existing order issued by Harry Truman in 1951. E.O. 10,289 states "The Secretary of the Treasury is hereby designated and empowered to perform the following-described functions of the President without the approval, ratification, or other action of the President..." The order then lists tasks (a) through (h) which the Treasurer can now do without bothering the President. None of the powers assigned to the Treasury in E.O. 10,289 relate to money or to monetary policy. Kennedy's E.O. 11,110 then instructs that


SECTION 1. Executive Order No. 10289 of September 9, 1951, as amended, is hereby further amended (a) By adding at the end of paragraph 1 thereof the following subparagraph (j):
'(j) The authority vested in the President by paragraph (b) of section 43 of the Act of May 12, 1933, as amended (31 U.S.C. 821(b)), to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury not then held for redemption of an outstanding silver certificates, to prescribe the denominations of such silver certificates, and to coin standard silver dollars and subsidiary silver currency for their redemption,' and (b) By revoking subparagraphs (b) and © of paragraph 2 thereof.

SECTION 2. The amendments made by this Order shall not affect any act done, or any right accruing or accrued or any suit or proceeding had or commenced in any civil or criminal cause prior to the date of this Order but all such liabilities shall continue anymay be enforced as if said amendments had not been made.
John F. Kennedy, THE WHITE HOUSE, June 4, 1963.
To understand exactly what Kennedy's order was trying to do, we must understand the purpose of the legislation which gave the order its underlying authority. The Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933 (ch. 25, 48 Stat 51) to which Kennedy refers permits the President to issue silver certificates in various denominations (mostly $1, $2, $5, and $10) and in any total volume so long as the Treasury has enough silver on hand to redeem the certificates for a specific quantity and fineness of silver and that the total volume of such currency does not exceed $3 billion. The Silver Purchase Act of 1934 (ch. 674,48 Stat 1178) also grants this power to the Treasury Secretary subject to similar limitations. Nowhere in the text of the order is a quantity of money mentioned, so it is unclear how Marrs arrived at his $4.2 billion figure. Moreover, the President could not have authorized such a large issue because it would have exceeded the statutory limit.2
As economic activity grew in the fifties and sixties, the public demand for low denomination currency grew, increasing the Treasury's need for silver to back additional certificate issues and to mint new coins (dimes, quarters, half-dollars). However, during the late fifties the price of silver began to rise and reached the point that the market value of the silver contained in the coins and backing the certificates was greater than the face value of the money itself.2

To conserve the Treasury's silver needs, the Silver Purchase Act and related measures were repealed by Congress in 1963 with Public Law 88-36. Following the repeal, only the President could authorize new silver certificate issues, and no longer the Treasury Secretary. The law, signed by Kennedy himself, also permits the Federal Reserve to issue small denomination bills to replace the outgoing silver certificates (prior to the act, the Fed could only issue Federal Reserve Notes in larger denominations). The Treasury's shrinking silver stock could then be used to mint coins only and not have to back currency. The repeal left only the President with the authority to issue silver certificates, however it did permit him to delegate this authority. E.O. 11,110 does this by transferring the authority from the President to the Treasury
Secretary.2

E.O. 11,110 did not create authority to issue new silver certificates, it only affected who could give the order. The purpose of the order was to facilitate the reduction of certificates in circulation, not to increase them. In October 1964 the Treasury ceased issuing them entirely. The Coinage Act of 1965 (PL 89-81) ended the practice of using silver in most U.S. coins, and in 1968 Congress ended the redeemability of silver certificates (PL 90-29). E.O. 11,110 was never reversed by President Johnson and remained on the books until 1987 when there was a general cleaning-up of executive orders (E.O. 12,608, 9/9/87). However, by this time the remaining legislative authority behind E.O. 11,110 had been repealed by Congress with PL 97-258 in 1982.2

In summary, E.O. 11,110 did not create new authority to issue additional silver certificates. In fact, its intention was to ease the process for their removal so that small denomination Federal Reserve Notes could replace them in accordance with a law Kennedy himself signed. If Kennedy had really sought to reduce Federal Reserve power, then why did he sign a bill that gave the Fed still more power?

Marrs also makes some other factual errors in his conspiracy tale that suggest he is not very familiar with the Federal Reserve or the financial system. He writes that a source of tension between the Federal Reserve and the Kennedy Administration was the Treasury's desire to allow banks to underwrite state and local government bonds, thereby weakening the "dominant" Federal Reserve banks. However, such a move, which was later permitted by Congress, would not have affected the Federal Reserve system because it had never been involved in underwriting bond issues. Marrs also claims that Kennedy signed a bill that changed the backing of small denomination currency from silver to gold to "add strength to the weakened U.S. currency." This is completely false. U.S. currency has not been on the gold standard since 1934, and silver certificates, as their name suggests, had never been redeemable in anything but silver. In addition, U.S. currency was not "weak" during Kennedy's time: There had not been any significant inflation since the late forties, and the exchange rate value of the dollar was fixed according to the Bretton Woods agreement.

In the introduction to his book, Marrs advises the reader not to trust his book. This appears to be good advice.

References:

1. Marrs, Jim (1989), Crossfire: The Plot that Killed Kennedy, New York: Carroll & Graf Publishers.

2. Woodward, G. Thomas (1996), "Money and the Federal Reserve System: Myth and Reality," Congressional Research Service.

So I saw this on a messageboard:

Quote:The grey aliens have been using Earth as a base for around a million years. In photos of the Bikini Atoll atomic bomb tests (not the ones YOU'VE seen!) UFOs are swarming all over. In 1954, Eisenhower signed a treaty with the aliens, letting them abduct people and mutilate livestock in exchange for technology (most modern military technology is alien-based). Most of the technology, by the way, wouldn't exist without materials from space; the government, just as one example, has a bunch of mines on the moon.

Enter Philip Schneider. Schneider was an engineer geology type guy who was employed by the government in the '70s to build one of the 100+ underground bases that are around the country, linked by magnetically-powered bullet trains. By this time, the aliens had thrown over the treaty and started doing whatever they wanted.

Phil's job was to recommend the sort of explosives to use to clear away the underground rock; in 1979, he and a crew were doing this beneath Dulce, NM, when they accidentally came across an underground alien base. A shootout occurred; Phil himself killed three aliens, and one was of only three (out of 67) people to survive. Unfortunately one of the aliens shot him with some kind of nuclear gun implanted in its shoulder, which gave him a bunch of scars and dealt him a hefty amount of radiation.

This eventually gave him cancer and, figuring he had nothing left to lose, he went on a lecture tour. In 1996 he "had a stroke" and died; when his wife demanded an autopsy, it was revealed that he was strangled, so the cause of death was changed to suicide. All of the space metals, UFO photos, Philadelphia Experiment documents, etc., that he took on his lecture tour and kept in his apartment, were gone when he was found dead.

Now, since I'm home alone and everyone else in the neighborhood is at work and stuff, I'm going to go out in the living room and wait for the Men in Black.

This is a mixture of various stories. The Dulce incident in 1979 is widely reported as being something that had been boiling for a while in a base which we knew about already and in fact had people working in with the aliens. The exact statistic I've heard over and over again is that 66 people (I assume that means humans) died in the fighting there, and 44 escaped. The scenario I've heard two different ways. First version I heard back when I was into this stuff was that basically was that we found out about the greys' and reptillians' blatant disregard for the terms of the treaty and that something happened the led to fighting and they violently kicked the humans out of that base.

The second, and much more detailed account I heard was that humans working within the base gradually became aware (a lot of the human workers were drugged to keep them in line) that the thousands of humans that passed through the base and had nightmarish experiments performed on them were abducted against their will and not victims of some sort of mental illness which the government was trying to keep under wraps. After this therer was some sort of loose, secret alliance between some of the humans and some of the low-ranking Reptillian workers, which they had to be extrewmely discreet about, and that eventually this led to the Federal Government sending commandos in, presumably with the Draco's (reptillian ruling class) blessing, to wipe out all the human and reptillian betrayors in the base. Some escaped. most did not.

The underground alien/American bases being connected by bullet trains I have heard about repeatedly. Supposedly there over 100 of these bases, most heavily concentrated in the Southwest.

The stuff about Nightmare Hall at Dulce, which I've heard two different accounts of, was truly disturbing. Take a human and a random animal like a horse or a parrot or a spider, and combine the two (sometimes making two separate animals). What does it look like? Imagine a giant spider with a small human-like head (and those multiple spider eyes) with pinkish human skin all over. Or take a normal human woman and just remove the part of the brain that knows how to speak, so not only can she cannot speak, but she can't even comprehend how to, but is otherwise of normal intelligence. Or take several hundred women and just turn them into factories for human ova. only let them be conscious the entire time that their chained up for years at a time in some scary alien lab.

If you're lucky you'll just have your memory erased and be let back into the World as an unwitting agent with subconscious instructions that will be released when needed.

oh man, i just found this too

<font face='Arial,Helvetica' size='+1'>Ignorance won't be an excuse...</font><br />
<div style="text-align: center;"><font size="+2">Revelation 9:20-21</font> <br />And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.</div> <br /><br /><div style="text-align: center;"><br />This was the Byzantine imperial eagle.<br />The state now commonly referred to as the Byzantine Empire was never known by that name in its own time, <br />then it was called the ROMAN EMPIRE.</div><br /><br />"The Byzantine Empire was noted for the complexity of the organization of its ministries and the number that had to be visited for an outsider to accomplish any administrative task; from this came the term still in modern use, "Byzantine", often used pejoratively to describe any work, law, or organization that is excessively complex and/or difficult to understand. (for an example of "Byzantine complexity", see Taxation in the United States.)"<br /><center><br /><a name="cutid1"></a><br /><br />Here come the Romans...<br /><br /><br />United Kingdom<br /><br />and your favorite I’m sure...<br /><br /><br /><br /> THE GREAT SEAL<br />Now look closely above the head of the imperial eagle. You see a cluster of 13 stars. <br />If you were to connect those 13 stars above it's head, like connect-the-dots, what would you get? <br />If you said the Star of David, give yourself a pat on the back.<br />Is that why we have so much interest in Palestine? Why are Bush and Blair playing matchmaker with Israel?<br /></center> <br /><br />But alas, the Bible told the tale of our new Roman empire in advance...<br /><br /><blockquote><font size="+3">Revelation 17</font><br /><br />1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: <br />2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. <br />3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. <br />4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: <br /><br /><div style="text-align: center;"><br /><br />PURPLE and SCARLET<br />decked with gold and precious stones and pearls<br />Ancient Babylon sits where present-day Iraq is now situated.<br />Alexander THE GREAT (probably the most famous leader of the Roman empire) died mysteriously as he was trying to conquer Babylon.<br /><br />The GREAT britain and THE GREAT SEAL of the united states have joined forces, in order not to make the that same mistake in Iraq as Alexander...<br /> <br />I guess the Brits got over that whole Tea Party thing? When you bleed purple and scarlet it's for life... Speaking of Boston and purple/scarlet... would you say it's a coincidence that a certain team just happened to end an 86-year "curse", being from that city, bearing those precise colors?</div><br /><br />5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. <br />6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. <br />7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. <br />8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. <br />9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. <br /><br /><ul><li>"The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth." Ah ha... the seven continents! Which means the woman are nations in the seven continents... </li></ul><br /><br />10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. <br />11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. <br />12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. <br />13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. <br /><br /><ul><li>"National security" ... global economy? Hrm...</li></ul><br /><br />14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. <br />15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. <br />16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. <br /><br /><ul><li>Wait, you mean the new Roman empire is going to fall?! The rest of the world really hates America?! NO WAY!</li></ul><br /><br />17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. <br />18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. <br /><br /><ul><li>The Great Seal... Team America World Police (...not funny) Unfortunately, I guess you won't believe it until you see it. It won't be much longer now.</li></ul></blockquote><br /><br />Yes, it is true. The new Roman empire is nearing it's end. They are making the same mistakes and now they are falling.<br /><br />side note:<br />The Imperial cult was the worship of the Roman emperor as a god in the Roman Empire.<br />Loyal citizens of the Empire were expected to make a periodic offering to the Emperor, and upon doing so they received a certificate that they had in fact demonstrated their loyalty by sacrificing. Christians, of course, refused to worship the Emperor, considering the cult to be idolatry. The sacrifice was used as a law enforcement tool to ferret them out. (did it occur to you, it's exactly the same today? submit to your country and your leader, or be cut off). <br /><br />The imperial cult was abandoned when Constantine I became Emperor in 313 (three thirteen), and the Roman empire decided it was in their best interest to establish themselves as a "Christian" empire in order to gain the trust of Christians and their other followers. If you look closely on the current Roman empire seal, you will notice the reference to the year 313... 13 stars, 13 arrows, 13 leaves. Three thirteen. <br /><br />You know what's worse than conspiracy theorists? <br />Anti-conspiracy nuts who overlook the mountains of overwhelming evidence out of fear, ignorance, or just plain indignation.<br /></div><br clear='all' /><hr width='100%' size='2' align='center' />