VOTE FRAUD - point/counterpoint

[Gooch]

As you probably know, there are a lot of bitter pills on the Democrat side, and a lot of vote fraud talk. All that faded, until this email has spread like wild fire (see below). A MSNBC counterpoint comments on it (below further).


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(see Brad Menfil's post here...this post and his emails have been bandying around lately)



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(msnbc's commentary)

[Galt]

The "Kerrylite" program is so ridiculously fake, it's not even funny.

No one who makes an accusation from behind a cloak can be taken on their word. If this guy has proof of fraud, make with it.

[Keyser Soze]

if the people who alledgedly have information to prove fraud, they should come forward. otherwise its all a bunch of whiny sore losers.

[Sir O]

Remember when there was no "proof" of Steroid use in baseball?

I'd be shocked if there weren't some shenanigans going on, but when there are voting machines specifically designed to not leave a paper trail, what can be done?

[Gooch]

it's a hoax. it's more about how people will swallow anything when it's what they want to hear...and shows, in this small little example, the habit of the media and people at large when rumor/innuendo is unsubstantiated, and yet reported all over the internet.

[Sir O]

Bravo for using a whole lot of words to say nothing.

[Galt]

Yes, the machines were made by Diebold in coordination with the Carlysle Group and the Saudi Royal family and included a line of code that printed out different results. Obviously no one ever examined the code of these machines before they were put into production. I mean, why would they, right? The democrats never voiced any worries about these machines beforehand. I'm sure no one ever thought to look at the machines before the elections because the opposition to Bush never thought a could rig up an extra 5 million votes. Oh, that's right. They did. But noe of this came out because of the big conspiracy. Becuase the consipators who killed JFK and faked the moon landing and stole this election control every single being on the planet except for conspiracy nuts.

[Gooch]

Bravo for using a whole lot of words to say nothing.

bitter sucker.

[Sir O]

So your reality is: everything is as it seems it is, everyone speaks the truth, nobody ever lies, nobody would EVER, god forbid, even THINK of maybe tipping the scales in their direction...not those who have the power to do so.

Hey, Bonds didn't deflate like Giambi, therefore he wasn't Juicing...

[Galt]

This code in the machines wouldn't be analogous to steroids coming out. This would analagous to The Matrix movies are fact.

This is so insane. There is no fucking way it could happen. Jesus Christ. Imagine how people would have to be involved. Like these machines weren't ripped apart piece by piece by the democrats (rightfully so if you thought some local hillbilly was overcounting/undercounting paper ballots to help the good ole boys) to ensure that they were working properly. There is no fucking way this could slip through. Be rational.

I'm sure the democratic underground nuts are also lapping this bullshit up by the bowlful.

[Sir O]

I could care less about the DU...but when the Libertarian and Green candidates both support a recound, even though they BOTH know they have no shot, don't you wonder why?

Fact: CEO of Diebold PROMISED to deliver Ohio's electoral votes to GWB.

Fact: There have been irregularities in many Ohio counties

Fact: I'm perfectly happy with Dubya as president at this point, because I want revolution

Fact: I've said too much...

[Gooch]

So your reality is: everything is as it seems it is, everyone speaks the truth, nobody ever lies, nobody would EVER, god forbid, even THINK of maybe tipping the scales in their direction...not those who have the power to do so.

Hey, Bonds didn't deflate like Giambi, therefore he wasn't Juicing...

i heard a rumor that it's a hoax.

[Sir O]

So defend Bonds.

[Galt]

because they want to keep their names in the press? Couldn't that also be likely?

And nice try with the Diebold CEO quote. That was written on a fundraiser mailing which he was heading up. It wasn't like he was interviewed by a paper regarding the election and how Diebold would play a part "We're going to make sure that the republicans win!!!!". No, he had a fundraiser. He said he was committed to helping Bush carry Ohio. He's a republican. Whoopdee doo

[Gooch]

So defend Bonds.

who cares what he does. he's been juicing to the gills in Frisco. baseball knew it. Bash brothers were Canseco and McGuire...streaming juice them their arms, as the bashed homeruns. McGuire juiced his way to the record books post-strike. His body broke down soon after.

The proof will be the heart attacks, liver and organ breakdowns in their late 40's and 50's. Nothing need more be shown than a few funerals.

It's dummies like Giambi, out of their element, a child ina steroid man's world, that ruin the fantasy of our heroes.

[Keyser Soze]

I respect Giambi more for coming clean.
This is an extraordinary claim, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

See comments from Bev Harris of BlackBoxVoting on this here:
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and why this may be disinformation here:
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Only in countries where the populace still has some balls would this be enough to overthrow a government. The Ukraine is a current example.

These days the US is all about bread and circuses. Canceling the Sunday football schedule is more likely to overthrow a government than stealing an election.