High School students are being taught the wackbag - mentality

[Hoon]

I highly doubt that's a direct quote.
That's most likely a calculated rewording of what he really said.

He said he makes his own decisions and prays that god will help him make the right decision.

You'r acting as if he talks to him on the phone.
Not the case but nice try anyway.

[Keyser Soze]

No thats a direct quote, you can look it up if you like. I don't think he calls God on the phone but he said God speaks to him in prayer and gives him guidance. His quote actually relates that God directed him to go to war.

[Keyser Soze]

After all the mountains of commentary and speculation, all the earnest debates over motives and goals, all the detailed analyses of global strategy and political ideology, it all comes to down to this: George W. Bush waged war on Iraq because, in his own words, God "instructed me to strike at Saddam."

This gospel was revealed, appropriately enough, in the Holy Land this week, through an unusual partnership between the fractious children of Abraham. The Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz was given transcripts of a negotiating session between Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas and faction leaders from Hamas and other militant groups. Abbas, who was trying to persuade the groups to call a cease-fire in their uprising against Israeli forces, described for them his recent summit with Ariel Sharon and Bush.

During the tense talks at the summit, Bush sought to underscore the kind of authority he could bring to efforts at achieving peace in the Middle East. While thundering that there could be "no deals with terror groups," Bush sought to assure the rattled Palestinians that he also had the ability to wring concessions from Sharon. And what was the source of this wonder-working power? It was not, as you might think, the ungodly size of the U.S. military or the gargantuan amount of money and arms the United States pours into Israel year after year.

No, Bush said he derived his moral heft from the Almighty Himself. What's more, the Lord had proven his devotion to the Crawford Crusader by crowning his military efforts with success. In fact, he told Abbas, God was holding the door open for Middle East peace right now -- but they would have to move fast, because soon the Creator and Sustainer of the Universe would have to give His attention to something far more important: the election of His little sunbeam, Georgie, in 2004.

Here are Bush's exact words, quoted by Ha'aretz:

"God told me to strike at al-Qaida and I struck them, and then He instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me, I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."

You can't put it plainer than that. The whole chaotic rigmarole of Security Council votes and UN inspections and congressional approval and Colin Powell's whizbang Powerpoint displays of "proof" and Bush's own tearful prayers for "peace" -- it was all a sham, a meaningless exercise.

NO votes, no inspections, no proof or lack of proof -- in fact, no earthly reason whatsoever -- could have stopped Bush's aggressive war on Iraq. It was God's unalterable will: the Lord of Hosts gave a direct order for George W. Bush to "strike at Saddam."

And strike he did, with an awesome fury that rained death and destruction on the mustachioed whore of Babylon, with a firestorm of Godly wrath that consumed the enemy armies like so much chaff put to the flame -- and with an arsenal of cruise missiles, cluster bombs, dive bombers and assault helicopters that killed up to 10,000 innocent civilians: blasted to pieces in their beds, shot down in their fields and streets, crushed beneath the walls of their own houses, boiled alive in factories, ditches and cars, gutted, mutilated, beheaded, murdered, women, children, elders, some praying, some wailing, some cursing, some mute with fear as metal death ripped their lives away and left rotting hulks behind. This was the work of the Lord and His faithful servant, whom He hath raised high up to have dominion over men.

And this is the mindset -- or rather, the primitive fever-dream -- that is now directing the actions of the greatest military power in the history of the world. There can be no doubt that Bush believes literally in the divine character of his mission. He honestly and sincerely believes that whatever "decision" forms in his brain -- out of the flux and flow of his own emotional impulses and biochemical reactions, the flattery and cajolements of his sinister advisers, the random scraps of fact, myth and fabrication that dribble into his proudly undeveloped and incurious consciousness -- has been planted there, whole and perfected, by God Almighty.

And that's why Bush acts with such serenity and ruthlessness. Nothing he does can be challenged on moral grounds, however unethical or evil it might appear, because all of his actions are directed by God. He can twist the truth, oppress the poor, exalt the rich, despoil the Earth, ignore the law -- and murder children -- without the slightest compunction, the briefest moment of doubt or self-reflection, because he believes, he truly believes, that God squats in his brainpan and tells him what to do.

And just as God countenanced deception on the part of Abraham, just as God forgave David for the murders he ordered, just as God blessed the armies of Saul as they obliterated the Amalekites, man, woman and child, so will He overlook any crime committed by Bush and his minions as they carry out His will. That's why Bush can always "do whatever it takes" to achieve his goals. And by his own words to Abbas, we see that he places his election in 2004 above all other concerns, even the endless bloodshed in the Middle East.

So what new crimes will the Lord have to countenance to keep His appointed servant in power?

[Hoon]

Well, I question it because I've certainally never seen it and I don't know how I would go about looking that up.

If you want to play this little game and pretend Bush really thinks god tells him to invade countries than be my guest. A word of advice, though.
It's not a good debate strategy.

I'm more interested in realistic debate.
I don't mind if people don't like Bush. I just will not debate those who think Laura files his horns at night and believes in Skull and Bones.

It's a waste of time.

[Hoon]

After all the mountains of commentary and speculation, all the earnest debates over motives and goals, all the detailed analyses of global strategy and political ideology, it all comes to down to this: George W. Bush waged war on Iraq because, in his own words, God "instructed me to strike at Saddam."

This gospel was revealed, appropriately enough, in the Holy Land this week, through an unusual partnership between the fractious children of Abraham. The Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz was given transcripts of a negotiating session between Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas and faction leaders from Hamas and other militant groups. Abbas, who was trying to persuade the groups to call a cease-fire in their uprising against Israeli forces, described for them his recent summit with Ariel Sharon and Bush.

During the tense talks at the summit, Bush sought to underscore the kind of authority he could bring to efforts at achieving peace in the Middle East. While thundering that there could be "no deals with terror groups," Bush sought to assure the rattled Palestinians that he also had the ability to wring concessions from Sharon. And what was the source of this wonder-working power? It was not, as you might think, the ungodly size of the U.S. military or the gargantuan amount of money and arms the United States pours into Israel year after year.

No, Bush said he derived his moral heft from the Almighty Himself. What's more, the Lord had proven his devotion to the Crawford Crusader by crowning his military efforts with success. In fact, he told Abbas, God was holding the door open for Middle East peace right now -- but they would have to move fast, because soon the Creator and Sustainer of the Universe would have to give His attention to something far more important: the election of His little sunbeam, Georgie, in 2004.

Here are Bush's exact words, quoted by Ha'aretz:

"God told me to strike at al-Qaida and I struck them, and then He instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me, I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."

You can't put it plainer than that. The whole chaotic rigmarole of Security Council votes and UN inspections and congressional approval and Colin Powell's whizbang Powerpoint displays of "proof" and Bush's own tearful prayers for "peace" -- it was all a sham, a meaningless exercise.

NO votes, no inspections, no proof or lack of proof -- in fact, no earthly reason whatsoever -- could have stopped Bush's aggressive war on Iraq. It was God's unalterable will: the Lord of Hosts gave a direct order for George W. Bush to "strike at Saddam."

And strike he did, with an awesome fury that rained death and destruction on the mustachioed whore of Babylon, with a firestorm of Godly wrath that consumed the enemy armies like so much chaff put to the flame -- and with an arsenal of cruise missiles, cluster bombs, dive bombers and assault helicopters that killed up to 10,000 innocent civilians: blasted to pieces in their beds, shot down in their fields and streets, crushed beneath the walls of their own houses, boiled alive in factories, ditches and cars, gutted, mutilated, beheaded, murdered, women, children, elders, some praying, some wailing, some cursing, some mute with fear as metal death ripped their lives away and left rotting hulks behind. This was the work of the Lord and His faithful servant, whom He hath raised high up to have dominion over men.

And this is the mindset -- or rather, the primitive fever-dream -- that is now directing the actions of the greatest military power in the history of the world. There can be no doubt that Bush believes literally in the divine character of his mission. He honestly and sincerely believes that whatever "decision" forms in his brain -- out of the flux and flow of his own emotional impulses and biochemical reactions, the flattery and cajolements of his sinister advisers, the random scraps of fact, myth and fabrication that dribble into his proudly undeveloped and incurious consciousness -- has been planted there, whole and perfected, by God Almighty.

And that's why Bush acts with such serenity and ruthlessness. Nothing he does can be challenged on moral grounds, however unethical or evil it might appear, because all of his actions are directed by God. He can twist the truth, oppress the poor, exalt the rich, despoil the Earth, ignore the law -- and murder children -- without the slightest compunction, the briefest moment of doubt or self-reflection, because he believes, he truly believes, that God squats in his brainpan and tells him what to do.

And just as God countenanced deception on the part of Abraham, just as God forgave David for the murders he ordered, just as God blessed the armies of Saul as they obliterated the Amalekites, man, woman and child, so will He overlook any crime committed by Bush and his minions as they carry out His will. That's why Bush can always "do whatever it takes" to achieve his goals. And by his own words to Abbas, we see that he places his election in 2004 above all other concerns, even the endless bloodshed in the Middle East.

So what new crimes will the Lord have to countenance to keep His appointed servant in power?

Quoted by Ha'aretz?

An Israeli newspaper? Off transcripts?
Are you certain they didn't interpret it a certain way or spin it a certain way?

Looks and sounds fishy to me.
If Bush was really going to play to those " rubes" in Jesusland during the elction - wouldn't he have said this many times, in his own words by now, for votes from the bible belt?

[Keyser Soze]

Its a game to you because you choose not to believe its true. Bush said it and thats what he believe. You can bury your head in the sand all you want, but facts are facts.

[Keyser Soze]

that quote is in several publications

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[Hoon]

Really? From your link..

Your search - God told me to strike at al-Qaida and I struck them, and then He instructed me to strike a
t Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. - <span style='font-size:16pt;line-height:100%'>did not match any documents.</span>

[Keyser Soze]

Try this one...

or just put "God told me to strike at al-Qaida and I struck them, and then He instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East." into a google search.

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[Hoon]

You should check this link out from your search...

Before you jump to any conclusions, remember that you are reading a translation of a translation of a translation. Mahmoud Abas does not speak English. Bush does not speak Arabic. If Bush said these words, or something like them, Abas heard them from a translator. Then Abas repeated them, as he remembered them a couple of weeks later, in Arabic. Some unknown person wrote down what he thought he heard Abas say. Then Regular, or someone at Ha'aretz, translated them back into English-or perhaps first into Hebrew and then into English.

Clearly not a Bush apologist piece..
Here

Try not to jump on the irrational bandwagon just yet, Keyser.
Think it through first.



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[Arpikarhu]

religion has been the cause of most of the worlds ills.

[HedCold]

Religion has been used as an excuse for greed, land grabbing and power.

isn't that what almost every war is started over?

[Sir O]

I would expect that those who are of faith are alot less violent then those elitist blue staters who think they have all the answers, while they sit cities with skyrocketing crime rates, factory like production of poor illegitimate babies that we are charged with taking care of and drug use.

Complete bullshit, I challenge you to back up this assertion with evidence.

[Arpikarhu]

i will also call shenanigans on that statement

[Hoon]

Religion has been used as an excuse for greed, land grabbing and power.

isn't that what almost every war is started over?

That's what I'm saying.
In the last few centuries religion has received the blame for many wars when in fact, religion was merely a motivational tool by leaders whose real interests had nothing to do with religion.

When religion becomes a problem is when people like Hitler use it to vilanize a race or Islamo facists use it to support suicide bombings.

[Arpikarhu]

i am totally against vilanizing Islamo fascists!

[Hoon]

I would expect that those who are of faith are alot less violent then those elitist blue staters who think they have all the answers, while they sit cities with skyrocketing crime rates, factory like production of poor illegitimate babies that we are charged with taking care of and drug use.

Complete bullshit, I challenge you to back up this assertion with evidence.

Simple.

Evaluated crime rates between these the rural, Jesus areas and the metropolitain areas most commonly voting Democrat.

[Hoon]

i am totally against vilanizing Islamo fascists!

Go sit on a coke can.

[Hoon]

Sorry, forgot to add the "!!!!" at the end of that last post.

[Galt]

I would expect that those who are of faith are alot less violent then those elitist blue staters who think they have all the answers, while they sit cities with skyrocketing crime rates, factory like production of poor illegitimate babies that we are charged with taking care of and drug use.

Complete bullshit, I challenge you to back up this assertion with evidence.

Simple.

Evaluated crime rates between these the rural, Jesus areas and the metropolitain areas most commonly voting Democrat.

also look at air quality in the cities vs rural areas.
Obviously religion causes pollution

also compare population density in those two areas.
That means non religious people like to live near each other

also look at real estate prices
Relgion drives down property values

Look at income
People who aren't religious make more money

You are making connections to things that have no reason to be connected.