Is there anyone here

[Ken'sPen]

crx,
my guess is that Kerry's job will be trying to undo the harm that bush has done.

bush has gutted the environmental agencies,
has given multiple tax cuts to the top percentages,
has sullied our international reputation,
has created a quagmire in Iraq
has stretched and taxed our military,
has lost focus on Afghanistan
has created a dangerous deficit


all these things need to be corrected,

and corrected while a republican congress exists,

it's a daunting task.

[Keyser Soze]

this is one of the few topics where ken and I see eye to eye.

[Galt]

1. Tax cuts to the rich: Rich people deserve to get their taxes cut. They pay an inordinate amount of their income in taxes compared to everyone else, and who cares if they can "afford it", it still doesn't make it right.
2. Who waged a war on a faulty premise? The UN had been trying to get Iraq to open their arsenal for inspection and they refused. Is it illogical to assume they were hiding something? Is the US worse off without Sadam in Iraq? Yeah, people have died. Boo hoo. They joined the army
3. Bad economy + war = deficit. Pork? please.
4. Who ever said Bush did a bunch of stuff right? I don't vote for politicians based on what they are going to do for me. I vote for ones that won't do anything. The government is too fucking big as it is. I want someone that just gets out of businesses and people's way. Kerry has shown an innate desire to grow government, increase taxes and regulations.

The previous three points to me are only secondary. The four point is why I will never vote for a liberal. Their core belief is that government exists to continuously do more and more for the populace. At some point, all the social programs, all the other bullshit that the government spends money on needs to ended. Anyone who tries to cut anything (not saying that Bush has) is demonized automatically by the left, which is why I won't vote for Kerry or any liberal either. I'm not voting for Bush either, but between the two of them, I'd vote for Bush every time.

[Ken'sPen]

What galls me so much,
is that with ALL these serious problems, the Republicans and a lazy compliant media, keep tossing out twisted facts and accusations, and that becomes the story of the day.

we are spending time talking about the differences of medals and ribbons,
and why kerry voted against defense spending 16 years ago,
meanwhile Rome is burning.

we have Cheney building a wall of silence in his energy plan,
Scalia refusing to recuse himself,
hundreds of millions of dollars being diverted from Afghanistan, while Osama is still on the loose (I believe bush when he says "I don't know where he is, and I don't care")
We have the religious right flexing it's muscle all over this nation.
EVERYWHERE I LOOK, I see something I don't like,
and it all flows back to bush.

He deserves to be run out of office in a landslide....

but I don't see it happenening.

The man has been a disaster since the day the republican supreme court ruled in his favor in the Florida election.

[Keyser Soze]

Bush has spent more money than Clinton ever did in office. He's a bigger spender than most liberals.

[Galt]

and Ken's Pen's point is why people say "cite your source"

Show me how Bush "gutted" the environmental agencies?

How has he sullied our reputation? Who's against us? The faggot French who have always hated the US, and the muslim countries because countries run based on religion are fucking stupid

[Ken'sPen]

Galt man, go get yourself checked in for some deprogramming....

are you saying that the fact that spending is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY up (war and terror activities REMOVED) is news to you?

Or that Bush has done MUCH to gut programs to protect our environment?

are you serious?

did you check out the tax returns that Bush and Cheney made?
didn't seem that they paid a hell of a lot of taxes as a percentage of their revenue.......

[HedCold]

The four point is why I will never vote for a liberal. Their core belief is that government exists to continuously do more and more for the populace. At some point, all the social programs, all the other bullshit that the government spends money on needs to ended.

so its ok for their administration to make all these laws that lets the government take away our liberty, but programs trying to help people are a problem?

[Ken'sPen]

because countries run based on religion are fucking stupid

I agree,
have you been paying attention to how much born again "godspeak" has found it's way into EVERY speach bush has given?

The FCC is fighting "indecency"
Laws are being passed methodically eroding the right to choose,
abstinence is becoming the only form of birth control allowed to be taught,

[Ken'sPen]

Galt do a google on "bush pork spending" see the wealth of articles you will get

GOP Dishes Out Pork In Growing Portions
Democrats: Earmarked Projects Skyrocket
By Dan Morgan and Helen Dewar
Washington Post Staff Writers
Monday, November 24, 2003; Page A19


Way back before Republicans took over the House in 1995, GOP lawmakers pilloried Democrats for stuffing legislation with local projects that get little or no oversight but boost the popularity of the lawmakers who take credit for them.



In 1992, Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.), the future House speaker, told colleagues: "Democrats . . . see no contradiction between adding a billion and a half dollars in pork-barrel [spending] for the politicians in their big-city machines and voting for a balanced budget amendment."

But a rising tide of GOP spending on home-district projects is making those Democrats of yesteryear look like mere pikers of pork, according to a 15-page study just released by the minority staff of the House Appropriations Committee.

The study finds that the number of home-state projects earmarked in various bills has skyrocketed under the GOP, despite the party's rhetorical commitment to reining in a profligate federal government.

Moreover, it contends, Republicans "have opened up broad new areas of government to the practice of earmarking that were previously not subject to earmarks."

A case in point, the Democrat staff report said, is the bill funding the Labor, Education, and Health and Human Services departments. Under Democratic chairmen such as the late William H. Natcher (D-Ky.), the bill was kept free of earmarks. Natcher preferred to let the money go out under formulas to school districts, community organizations and states.

But in 2002, the bill funneled more than $1 billion to hundreds of projects picked by members of Congress -- Democrats as well as Republicans.

A similar pattern has occurred in the quadrennial highway bill, once a bastion of congressional restraint. Earmarked projects jumped from fewer than 400 in 1995 to more than 1,800 in 1998, according to the Democratic analysis.

Moreover, even some fiscally conservative Republicans have not been shy about taking credit for bringing home the bacon.

The Web page of Rep. Todd Tiahrt (R-Kan.), a frequent critic of spending programs, lists projects recently obtained for his district, including $150,000 to help the Augusta Arts Council restore the Augusta Historic Theater, and "$180,000 to assist the City of Wichita in making the Evergreen Library more accessible to the community."

"Every federal dollar I can help bring back to Kansas is a dollar less that will have to be raised locally," Tiahrt said in a news release.

[Ken'sPen]

there is a good and rather lengthy article on Rolling Stone.com named crimes against nature,
it does a good job detailing a lot of bush's actions to lower standards on environmental protection.

[Black Lazerus]

countries run based on religion are fucking stupid

America is a Christan country.
George W. Bush

Show me how Bush "gutted" the environmental agencies?

Just one example

[Gooch]

George W. Bush has, while in office...


1. Significantly eased field-testing controls of genetically engineered crops.

2. Cut federal spending on libraries by $39 million.

3. Cut $35 million in funding for doctors to get advanced pediatric training.

4. Cut by 50% funding for research into renewable energy sources.

5. Revoked rules that reduced the acceptable levels of arsenic in drinking water.

6. Blocked rules that would require federal agencies to offer bilingual assistance to non-English speaking persons. This, from a candidate who would readily fire-up his Spanish-speaking skills in front of would-be Hispanic voters.

7. Proposed to eliminate new marine protections for the Channel Islands and the coral reefs of northwest Hawaii

8. Cut funding by 28% for research into cleaner, more efficient cars and trucks.

9. Suspended rules that would have strengthened the government's ability to deny contracts to companies that violated workplace safety, environmental and other federal laws.

10. OK'd Interior Department appointee Gale Norton to send out letters to state officials soliciting suggestions for opening up national monuments for oil and gas drilling, coal mining, and foresting.

11. Appointed John Negroponte - an un-indicted high-level Iran Contra figure to the post of United Nations Ambassador.

12. Abandoned a campaign pledge to invest $100 million for rain forest conservation.

13. Reduced by 86% the Community Access Program for public hospitals, clinics and providers of care for people without insurance.

14. Rescinded a proposal to increase public access to information about the potential consequences resulting from chemical plant accidents.

15. Suspended rules that would require hardrock miners to clean up sites on Western public lands.

16. Cut $60 million from a Boy's and Girl's Clubs of America program for public housing.

17. Proposed to eliminate a federal program, designed and successfully used in Seattle, to help communities prepare for natural disasters.

18. Pulled out of the 1997 Kyoto Treaty global warming agreement.

19. Cut $200 million of work force training for dislocated workers.

20. Eliminated funding for the Wetlands Reserve Program, which encourages farmers to maintain wetlands habitat on their property.

21. Cut program to provide childcare to low-income families as they move from welfare to work.

22. Cut a program that provided prescription contraceptive coverage to federal employees (though it still pays for Viagra).

23. Cut $700 million in capital funds for repairs in public housing.

24. Appointed Otto Reich - an un-indicted high-level Iran Contra figure - to Assistant Secretary of State for Inter-American Affairs.

25. Cut Environmental Protection Agency budget by $500 million.

26. Proposed to curtail the ability of groups to sue in order to get an animal placed on the Endangered Species List.

27. Rescinded the rule that mandated increased energy-saving efficiency regulations for central air conditioners and heat pumps.

28. Repealed workplace ergonomic rules designed to improve worker health and safety.

29. Abandoned campaign pledge to regulate carbon dioxide, the waste gas that contributes to global warming.

30. Banned federal aid to international family planning programs that offer abortion counseling with other independent funds.

31. Closed White House Office for Women's Health Initiatives and Outreach.

32. Nominated David Lauriski - ex-mining company executive - to post of Assistant Secretary of Labor for Mine Safety and Health.

[The Jays]

Why cant we just stop spending money on shit we don't need? Instead of raising taxes, why cant we just say "Sorry, we dont have any money to do that with."

These fucking threads are annoying, because all they are are bitch and moan sessions, no problems solving. Everyone knows that Bush sucks, and everyone knows that Kerry blows.

[The Jays]

And if he does win in November, what are you gonna do? Everyone's just gonna have to deal wth it, life goes on, there's nothing you can do about it.

[The Jays]

here , I think this sums up everyone's feelings.

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[The Sleeper]

not my feelings, i'm voting for nader

[Keyser Soze]

wow, thats actually a real website.

[Velociti]

Many of the things people criticize bush for he had absolutely no control over. The econonmy is hard to control - all the fed can do is keep dropping interest rates - but because they are already so low that is not even possible anymore. The economy will come around because it is forced to work in cycles of good and bad.

[Keyser Soze]

yeah but bush still spent like a motherfucker. he's fiscally irresponsible, no strike that, i think he's just fiscally ignorant.