Topic for Keyser......

[Ken'sPen]

and as usual you resort to name calling because you have a weak argument..

I didn't see any name calling in my post above.....

[Keyser Soze]

I have no fall back website to get my opinion and support from,

[Ken'sPen]

THAT is name calling?

"We know he's been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."

VP Dick Cheney – “Meet the Press” 3/16/2003

[Ken'sPen]

"Our intelligence sources tell us that he (Saddam) has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production."

State of the Union Address – 1/28/2003

"Satellite photographs reveal that Iraq is rebuilding facilities at [past nuclear] sites."

Bush speech to the nation – 10/7/2002


"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."

State of the Union Address – 1/28/2003

[Ken'sPen]

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Last September 8, I interviewed President Bush's National Security Adviser, Dr. Condoleezza Rice. I was pressing her on Iraqi President Saddam Hussein's nuclear capabilities.

"We know that he has the infrastructure, nuclear scientists to make a nuclear weapon," she told me. "And we know that when the inspectors assessed this after the Gulf War, he was far, far closer to a crude nuclear device than anybody thought -- maybe six months from a crude nuclear device."

Dr. Rice then said something that was ominous and made headlines around the world.

"The problem here is that there will always be some uncertainty about how quickly he can acquire nuclear weapons. But we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."

[Keyser Soze]

excellent! thank you!

now.....where in any of those quotes does it say SADDAM HAS NUCLEAR WEAPONS???

you can't because, IT DOESN'T

[Ken'sPen]

yet those statements are all untrue,
more than untrue,
lies....

because there was no credible reason to believe them to be true.

[Keyser Soze]

they are all OPINIONS by people on how close saddam was or is to building nuclear weapons.not to mention you changed your entire argument from 'they said saddam had nuclear weapons' to well they didnt say he had nuclear weapons but they're still lying about something.

i have little doubt in my mind that saddam would have tried to acquire and develop nuclear weapons if he was left to his own devices.

[Ken'sPen]

you can believe whatever you want to,

there are just no facts to support your claim.

[Keyser Soze]

and you have no facts to support your earlier argument that the administration said 'saddam has nuclear weapons'

[Ken'sPen]

no,
this is what I said.....

again
BULLSHIT...
The bush administration was discussing nuclear weapons, Suitcase nuclear bombs, unmanned drones and threats to the US....

A liar is carefull to choose his words carefully...

just like Clinton discussing his blow job....

bush and co were very careful with their wordings.

[Keyser Soze]

ok so then by saying the administration were discussing nuclear weapons you didnt mean they were saying Iraq HAD nuclear weapons.

then we are on the same page.

if it is your argument now that someone lied about something, point out the lie for us and we can discuss.

[Ken'sPen]

ok so then by saying the administration were discussing nuclear weapons you didnt mean they were saying Iraq HAD nuclear weapons.

See what happens Keyser?
I said they were discussing nuclear weapons, and you thought I said he had them...
funny how that works......

I wonder if Bush knew that if he kept talking about Saddam and nuclear weapons... people would think that meant he had them.....

Did Saddam have ties to Al Queda?
Did Bush say he did?

Did he lie about it?

Did Bush work hard to connect Saddam to 9-11 in the minds of the American People?

[Keyser Soze]

thats not anyones fault but the american public for making connection even though bush never said he had nuclear weapons.....bush never said saddam had ties to al queda either, he never lied about it.

if the american public connected saddam to 9/11 its their own fault, the president never made the connection.

you can swat around at conspiracy theories all you want, facts are facts.

[Ken'sPen]

Did Bush fulfill the promises he made to the nation,
about the steps he would take before invading Iraq?

Did Bush divert attention from catching Bin Laden,
to planning to invade Iraq?

Did Bush use money authorized by congress for the war in Afghanistan to start planning the invasion of Iraq?

Did Bush lie when he says that his Generals have never made requests for more ground troops?

Why is the War in Iraq not included in the Budget?

Why is the Iraq war funded by emergency spending measures?

Did Bush lie about pre-war costs in invading Iraq?

[Ken'sPen]

bush never said saddam had ties to al queda either, he never lied about it..

really???

For example, this statement by Bush on February 8, 2003:

Saddam Hussein has longstanding, direct and continuing ties to terrorist networks. Senior members of Iraqi intelligence and al Qaeda have met at least eight times since the early 1990s. Iraq has sent bomb-making and document forgery experts to work with al Qaeda. Iraq has also provided al Qaeda with chemical and biological weapons training. And an al Qaeda operative was sent to Iraq several times in the late 1990s for help in acquiring poisons and gases.

[Mad]

Like two retards on the merry-go-round.

[Ken'sPen]

I can't disagree with that mad,
but once my jaws are locked, I can't let go.

[Keyser Soze]

What steps did he promise?

Again, I said I felt we should have finished what we started in Afghanistan over and over again in this very thread.

Did Bush use money authorized by congress for the war in Afghanistan to start planning the invasion of Iraq?

I don't know, did he? Cite your sources.

Did Bush lie when he says that his Generals have never made requests for more ground troops?

Show me the quote where Bush said it.

Why is the War in Iraq not included in the Budget?

It should be, you and I are in agreement that the war is being mismanaged.

Why is the Iraq war funded by emergency spending measures?

see above.

Did Bush lie about pre-war costs in invading Iraq?

i dont think he lied, i think he was incompetent and did a poor job in planning and forseeing how drawn out and difficult it would be and did not have a clear exit strategy.

[Ken'sPen]

Did Bush lie about the Plame affair?

Is the Bush administration guilty of destruction of evidence as their emails have been destroyed after Libby claimed Cheney instructed him to release Plame's status as a cia operative?