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Re: Obama Mercy Hospital - Wiener Poopie - 07-29-2009
Mad Dog Wrote:So what does the spite board think of U.S. taxpayers being forced to pony up and pay for abortions, assuming that the Healthcare Reform bill passes with abortion payment language in it?
I personally like paying for abortions; if I don’t pay and they can’t afford it then they’re just going to leave the baby in a dumpster anyways. I also wish I could pay to kill criminals but Granholm never responded to my letter about reinstating the death penalty. :think:
Re: Obama Mercy Hospital - krystal - 07-29-2009
I'd rather pay for an abortion that support someone else's kids for 18 years. Which is more fiscally viable?
Re: Obama Mercy Hospital - zdunklee - 07-29-2009
krystal Wrote:I'd rather pay for an abortion that support someone else's kids for 18 years. Which is more fiscally viable?
Agreed, if we are on the hook for one or the other I choose abortion as well.
Re: Obama Mercy Hospital - Mad Dog - 07-29-2009
Its a good thing Einstein wasn't aborted.
I take it you could care less about conscientious objectors to what some feel is the murder of an infant? How callous.
Re: Obama Mercy Hospital - krystal - 07-29-2009
I'm okay with abortion, but I believe it should only be in the first trimester, and the father gets a say-so. I also believe that abortion is not a form of birth control.
I'm also okay with the death penalty and euthenasia.
Re: Obama Mercy Hospital - Wiener Poopie - 07-29-2009
krystal Wrote:I'm okay with abortion, but I believe it should only be in the first trimester, and the father gets a say-so. I also believe that abortion is not a form of birth control.
I'm also okay with the death penalty and euthenasia.
Agreed on all counts.
Re: Obama Mercy Hospital - Mad Dog - 07-29-2009
I'm ok with the death penalty if you deserve it, but you can scratch euthenasia and abortion off my "to do" list. If you think you need an abortion and you an adult, knock yourself out, I don't agree with it but nobody can stop you. But killing old people because they are old, or babys because they are inconvenient is not cool. At all. In any way.
And I especially do not think that these things should be stuck in the middle of a "Massive" Health care reform bill, to be voted on in the middle of the night by wish washy congressmen who don't have the guts to tell us what they have in store for us with the intention of having the American taxpayer foot the bill.
Re: Obama Mercy Hospital - zdunklee - 07-29-2009
krystal Wrote:I'm okay with abortion, but I believe it should only be in the first trimester, and the father gets a say-so. I also believe that abortion is not a form of birth control.
I'm also okay with the death penalty and euthenasia.
I have to agree with you Krys. Generally I just assume abortion is the mother and fathers choice and no one should be able to tell them what to do. I wouldn't want someone I got pregnant to get an abortion, but I am not against it if someone else wants to do it and I sure don't mind footing the bill if they are just gonna make us pay for the eventual baby anyway. Abortion should never be a form of birth control cause that is what they have surgery to get your tubes tied for if you don't want babies, but even then I have know people to get pregnant after that surgery as well.
Same thing for euthenasia, if an older person wants to die that way let them, it is none of our business anyway. Personally I have always said once things start going wrong with my body I'm gonna head straight for a bridge to jump off or at least find an easier way to off myself, once I hit 50 I'm putting a DNR on myself so I don't have to deal with anything that might happen.
Re: Obama Mercy Hospital - Mad Dog - 07-30-2009
I think you are confusing the words "Suicide" and "Euthenasia". Suicide is when you want to die and figure out how to do it on your own. Euthenasia is when someone else thinks your too old to live so they juat go ahead and kill you for the "greater good". Like the Nazi's in WWII. Just like that.
Re: Obama Mercy Hospital - beckyp - 07-30-2009
Mad Dog Wrote:Euthenasia is when someone else thinks your too old to live so they juat go ahead and kill you for the "greater good". Like the Nazi's in WWII. Just like that.
you wrote this at 5 in the morning so i'm gonna go ahead and cut you some slack for that but....are you honestly comparing euthenasia to the holocaust?
Re: Obama Mercy Hospital - Wiener Poopie - 07-30-2009
[drop]All this talk about abortion is making me wet[/drop]
Re: Obama Mercy Hospital - zdunklee - 07-30-2009
Mad Dog Wrote:I think you are confusing the words "Suicide" and "Euthenasia". Suicide is when you want to die and figure out how to do it on your own. Euthenasia is when someone else thinks your too old to live so they juat go ahead and kill you for the "greater good". Like the Nazi's in WWII. Just like that.
Euthenasia is assisted suicide where you have someone help you because you are not able to do it yourself. People can't just decide they want you to die and kill you because that would be murder. But you should be able to sign the necessary paperwork to have someone end your life if you so choose, otherwise it is just an example of someone else regulating your life...I'm all for freedom of personal choice and no one should be able to tell you what you can or can't do. If you choose you want someone to help you die peacefully then you should be able to carry that out.
Hopefully by the time I am that old it is legal otherwise I have to choose the suicide route instead because I can't have someone just put me down the easy way.
Re: Obama Mercy Hospital - sunshyne - 07-30-2009
I don't know a lot about euthenasia, but when I do think of euthenasia, I think of all the puppies and kitties in the pound that no one wants, so they get euthenized. I generally would hope that this is not the euthenasia plan for old people. On the other hand, if i for some reason get pancreatic cancer or something thats 99.9% terminal, I'd want to get my things in order and go before I'm a burden, or in terrible pain.
I am not a fan of abortion, and it definately should not be used as a birth control, but the choice should be left to the parents in certain situations. That being said there is plenty of birth control around to prevent unwanted pregnancies, not to mention that science has proven where kids come from, therefore "not knowing" is a stupid reason to get pregnant, and you probably shouldn't be raising a kid anyway. Adoption in America should be made easier to people that want children but can't have them. People shouldn't have to adopt from other nations because it is easier and faster.
I am a big fan of the death penalty, mainly if there is no reasonable doubt of the person committing the crime or if someone admits to the crime freely, because I understand that sometimes some evidence can be wrong. All the people that argue that its not my place to judge, only God can judge, they should be glad we are sending the murderers to God for judgement a little quicker. It sickens me that people in prison are sometimes living better than some free, morally good, american citizens. I'm not saying the prisons are spa retreats, but at least there is a roof over their head, they aren't paying any bills, they get fed everyday, and they don't have to work.
All this being said, I don't think that abortions should be covered under any health insurance plan unless it is a life threatening situtation. Adopt a puppy or kitty from your local pound. Don't murder people.
Re: Obama Mercy Hospital - Mad Dog - 07-30-2009
beckyp Wrote:Mad Dog Wrote:Euthenasia is when someone else thinks your too old to live so they juat go ahead and kill you for the "greater good". Like the Nazi's in WWII. Just like that.
you wrote this at 5 in the morning so i'm gonna go ahead and cut you some slack for that but....are you honestly comparing euthenasia to the holocaust?
eu·tha·na·sia
Pronunciation:\ˌyü-thə-ˈnā-zh(ē-)ə\
Function:noun
Etymology:Greek, easy death, from euthanatos, from eu- + thanatos death — more at thanatos
Date:1869
: the act or practice of killing or permitting the death of hopelessly sick or injured individuals (as persons or domestic animals) in a relatively painless way for reasons of mercy
The Holocaust was Euthanasia gone wild. And yes I am comparing one with the other. The Holocaust didn't start with 6 million deaths, it started with one death and an attitude change. From Hitlers point of veiw, "euthanised" all those poor people for the "greater good" of society. Hitler did not start with the Jews, he started with the old, infirm, retarded, homosexuals, and gypsies. In other words people who did not either fit into the German economy, (because after all it was socialisum, and could not possibly take care of all those people economically.) Or the object of his hatred. i.e. the Jews. Euthanasia is just a fancy word for Mercy Kill and it is a short leap from one group of people to the other, especially in bad economic times when one group of people seem to have it better than another group of people and you can some how place blame.
Re: Obama Mercy Hospital - Wiener Poopie - 07-30-2009
Mad Dog Wrote:beckyp Wrote:Mad Dog Wrote:Euthenasia is when someone else thinks your too old to live so they juat go ahead and kill you for the "greater good". Like the Nazi's in WWII. Just like that.
you wrote this at 5 in the morning so i'm gonna go ahead and cut you some slack for that but....are you honestly comparing euthenasia to the holocaust?
eu·tha·na·sia
Pronunciation:\ˌyü-thə-ˈnā-zh(ē-)ə\
Function:noun
Etymology:Greek, easy death, from euthanatos, from eu- + thanatos death — more at thanatos
Date:1869
: the act or practice of killing or permitting the death of hopelessly sick or injured individuals (as persons or domestic animals) in a relatively painless way for reasons of mercy
The Holocaust was Euthanasia gone wild.
No, it was not.
Re: Obama Mercy Hospital - Philly Mike - 07-30-2009
ummm.... okay I am going to go out on a limb here and have to say maybe we should keep from the talk of abortion and euthanasia, reason is yes they are touchy subjects, however they are the rocket fuel of touchy subjects, and maybe should be avoided here to keep things from getting too heated.
Re: Obama Mercy Hospital - zdunklee - 07-30-2009
Mad Dog Wrote:beckyp Wrote:Mad Dog Wrote:Euthenasia is when someone else thinks your too old to live so they juat go ahead and kill you for the "greater good". Like the Nazi's in WWII. Just like that.
you wrote this at 5 in the morning so i'm gonna go ahead and cut you some slack for that but....are you honestly comparing euthenasia to the holocaust?
eu·tha·na·sia
Pronunciation:\ˌyü-thə-ˈnā-zh(ē-)ə\
Function:noun
Etymology:Greek, easy death, from euthanatos, from eu- + thanatos death — more at thanatos
Date:1869
: the act or practice of killing or permitting the death of hopelessly sick or injured individuals (as persons or domestic animals) in a relatively painless way for reasons of mercy
The Holocaust was Euthanasia gone wild. And yes I am comparing one with the other. The Holocaust didn't start with 6 million deaths, it started with one death and an attitude change. From Hitlers point of veiw, "euthanised" all those poor people for the "greater good" of society. Hitler did not start with the Jews, he started with the old, infirm, retarded, homosexuals, and gypsies. In other words people who did not either fit into the German economy, (because after all it was socialisum, and could not possibly take care of all those people economically.) Or the object of his hatred. i.e. the Jews. Euthanasia is just a fancy word for Mercy Kill and it is a short leap from one group of people to the other, especially in bad economic times when one group of people seem to have it better than another group of people and you can some how place blame.
Wow...way to pick the one terrible definiton of Euthanasia...
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eu·tha·na·sia (yth-nzh)
n.
1. The act or practice of ending the life of an individual suffering from a terminal illness or an incurable condition, as by lethal injection or the suspension of extraordinary medical treatment.
2. A quiet, painless death.
Notice how quiet and painless is involved in the definition? Yea Holocaust was neither of those... and almost every definition of the word includes either quiet or painless, including your own.
Re: Obama Mercy Hospital - stopsign - 08-04-2009
Logic fail.
Also, I liked the part where you thought the stimulus package would cure everything in a jiff.
Re: Obama Mercy Hospital - krystal - 08-04-2009
Holocaust was GENOCIDE.
Euthenasia is usually termed as mercy killing. I know that if I had a terminal, pailful illness with no hopes of getting better, I would rather be put out than spend the rest of my life in a hospital. People have the right to choose whether or not they want to live through something like that.
Plus, it's not the hospital or the government that decides whether you live or die, it's YOU who decides.
Re: Obama Mercy Hospital - professorpinasheep - 08-04-2009
krystal Wrote:Plus, it's not the hospital or the government that decides whether you live or die, it's YOU who decides.
I think that's the concern for a lot of people. Should the government have control of, or a major say in, your treatment options there is a somewhat valid concern. If you have something like pancreatic cancer (which I gather is almost always terminal and rarely treatable beyond pain management), you should have the right to choose whether you want to fight for those last few months of medicine-addled "life", go the pain management route, or possibly choose to end it quickly and quietly.
I realize insurance companies already practice a type of rationing when it comes to paying forhealth care, but people are more afraid of the government making decisions for them than they are of having someone solely concerned with the bottom line. If you ask me, this aspect won't be that much different than the way things are now. There's just too many other issues I have with the plans being presented for me to be in support of government-run healthcare.
Re: Obama Mercy Hospital - krystal - 08-04-2009
professorpinasheep Wrote:krystal Wrote:Plus, it's not the hospital or the government that decides whether you live or die, it's YOU who decides.
I think that's the concern for a lot of people. Should the government have control of, or a major say in, your treatment options there is a somewhat valid concern. If you have something like pancreatic cancer (which I gather is almost always terminal and rarely treatable beyond pain management), you should have the right to choose whether you want to fight for those last few months of medicine-addled "life", go the pain management route, or possibly choose to end it quickly and quietly.
I realize insurance companies already practice a type of rationing when it comes to paying forhealth care, but people are more afraid of the government making decisions for them than they are of having someone solely concerned with the bottom line. If you ask me, this aspect won't be that much different than the way things are now. There's just too many other issues I have with the plans being presented for me to be in support of government-run healthcare.
I'm afraid that I don't think any system works. But that's just me. One thing I do believe, though, is if you are a smoker or drinker and have smoking- or drinking-related illnesses, you shouldn't be helped. Maybe I'm just being meen about that, though.
Re: Obama Mercy Hospital - Mad Dog - 08-04-2009
If your sick, you should be helped, what ever that cause. We are all human, after all. No one is perfect or live perfect lives. Should you care about the drug abuser or the alcoholic? I think that is up to you. But I think that everyone has some good qualitys about them and are worth helping. With the exception of the worst of the worst like rapists, terrorists, and murders. Having said all that nobody will care for you as much as you do and everyone who is old enough and is of sound mind has a responsibility to take care of their own best intrests.
Re: Obama Mercy Hospital - krystal - 08-05-2009
Mad Dog Wrote:If your sick, you should be helped, what ever that cause. We are all human, after all. No one is perfect or live perfect lives. Should you care about the drug abuser or the alcoholic? I think that is up to you. But I think that everyone has some good qualitys about them and are worth helping. With the exception of the worst of the worst like rapists, terrorists, and murders. Having said all that nobody will care for you as much as you do and everyone who is old enough and is of sound mind has a responsibility to take care of their own best intrests.
Let me make this clear. I smoke and drink. We are adults and are responsible for our own actions. We know what smoking and drinking does to the body. No one should have to pay for what other people choose to do.
Re: Obama Mercy Hospital - Wiener Poopie - 08-05-2009
Mad Dog Wrote:If your sick, you should be helped, what ever that cause. We are all human, after all. No one is perfect or live perfect lives. Should you care about the drug abuser or the alcoholic? I think that is up to you. But I think that everyone has some good qualitys about them and are worth helping. With the exception of the worst of the worst like rapists, terrorists, and murders. Having said all that nobody will care for you as much as you do and everyone who is old enough and is of sound mind has a responsibility to take care of their own best intrests.
Human organs are not Wal-Mart specials, take care of it or don’t get it!
Re: Obama Mercy Hospital - Mad Dog - 08-05-2009
krystal Wrote:Mad Dog Wrote:If your sick, you should be helped, what ever that cause. We are all human, after all. No one is perfect or live perfect lives. Should you care about the drug abuser or the alcoholic? I think that is up to you. But I think that everyone has some good qualitys about them and are worth helping. With the exception of the worst of the worst like rapists, terrorists, and murders. Having said all that nobody will care for you as much as you do and everyone who is old enough and is of sound mind has a responsibility to take care of their own best intrests.
Let me make this clear. I smoke and drink. We are adults and are responsible for our own actions. We know what smoking and drinking does to the body. No one should have to pay for what other people choose to do.
Wiener Poopie Wrote:Mad Dog Wrote:If your sick, you should be helped, what ever that cause. We are all human, after all. No one is perfect or live perfect lives. Should you care about the drug abuser or the alcoholic? I think that is up to you. But I think that everyone has some good qualitys about them and are worth helping. With the exception of the worst of the worst like rapists, terrorists, and murders. Having said all that nobody will care for you as much as you do and everyone who is old enough and is of sound mind has a responsibility to take care of their own best intrests.
Human organs are not Wal-Mart specials, take care of it or don’t get it!
Mad Dog Wrote:Having said all that nobody will care for you as much as you do and everyone who is old enough and is of sound mind has a responsibility to take care of their own best intrests
Aparently you guys didn't read down that far. This means making an attempt to get and keep your own health insurance, as well as live right. Be that as it may, when your sitting in a hospital bed with tubes running out of you everywhere, how would you feel if some government health nazi walked in all callous and said "Guess what dumb shit, your gonna die and we are not going to help you, because you drank too much, smoked too much, are too old. Plus you smell funny."
Re: Obama Mercy Hospital - Mad Dog - 08-09-2009
Check this artical out. It seems even Time magazine is having its doubts about health care reforms.
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Re: Obama Mercy Hospital - zdunklee - 08-21-2009
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Re: Obama Mercy Hospital - Howie Feltersnatch - 08-25-2009
"We're going to pass a health care plan written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, signed by a president that also hasn't read it, and who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke. What could go wrong?"
Re: Obama Mercy Hospital - Wiener Poopie - 08-25-2009
The more I think about it the more I believe health care will fail, unlike other countries America is full of crooked, corrupt, ass hats that will abuse and manipulate the system much like every other government program. Go team America!!!!
Re: Obama Mercy Hospital - Howie Feltersnatch - 08-25-2009
Wiener Poopie Wrote:The more I think about it the more I believe health care will fail, unlike other countries America is full of crooked, corrupt, ass hats that will abuse and manipulate the system much like every other government program. Go team America!!!!
WE'VE SWAYED HIM!!!!!
HOORAY!
Re: Obama Mercy Hospital - Wiener Poopie - 08-25-2009
Howie Feltersnatch Wrote:Wiener Poopie Wrote:The more I think about it the more I believe health care will fail, unlike other countries America is full of crooked, corrupt, ass hats that will abuse and manipulate the system much like every other government program. Go team America!!!!
WE'VE SWAYED HIM!!!!!
HOORAY!
I would still like to see it pass... :wave:
Re: Obama Mercy Hospital - sunshyne - 08-26-2009
don't worry, now they'll say its the Ted Kennedy Memorial Bill and it will get passed, in memory of his legacy. Never mind the fact that if it does pass, the congress people have made themselves exempt from it, since they believe so strongly in it and all....