zdunklee Wrote:Ha, what the hell, who changed the title of this thread? For the record I have said that mike is not an idi0t about anything but why mathematics is the way it is.

Philly Mike Wrote:yeah, I am kind of surprised i was one of the top of my class when it came to computer programming and all, seeing as i needed to give value to variables and all that, or giving numerical value to arrays, or understanding the best way to work with any number given the fact that sometimes if you truncate a decimal too short it could eff up the whole program and all.

speedbump Wrote:Philly Mike you know very little about what you're arguing, but you think you know a lot.

I found the problem! Now how do we solve it? Logic isn't going to work, because zdunklee has already defeated you on that front and you still keep treading water. You're making yourself look like an ambulance driver, and if you want to salvage some respect admitting defeat is probably your best bet.

zdunklee Wrote:

Philly Mike Wrote:yeah, I am kind of surprised i was one of the top of my class when it came to computer programming and all, seeing as i needed to give value to variables and all that, or giving numerical value to arrays, or understanding the best way to work with any number given the fact that sometimes if you truncate a decimal too short it could eff up the whole program and all.

^that right there, is part of the reason mathematicans use a fractional representation of rational numbers, so that doesn't happen.

You would want to jump in on this Jiggy.

Also in hindsite, I believe that this might have all been avoided if I had started from the beginning with axioms and the fact that all math is based on a set of axioms that can never be proved and are taken as being true.

Just to give an example the axioms of Euclidean Geometry are:

1. It is possible to draw a straight line from any point to any other point.

2. It is possible to produce a finite straight line continuously in a straight line.

3. It is possible to describe a circle with any center and any radius.

4. It is true that all right angles are equal to one another.

5. It is true that, if a straight line falling on two straight lines make the interior angles on the same side less than two right angles, the two straight lines, if produced indefinitely, intersect on that side on which are the angles less than the two right angles.

wingospagettio Wrote:Zdunk here is a hypothetical for you to ponder. Michigan moves its blood alcohol level for a drunk driving offense from .08 to 1. You get pulled over and blow a .999... The cop says .999... is the same as 1, so you're going to jail. Would you hold your ground that .999...= 1 and go to jail or would you go to fight it?

zdunklee Wrote:And I care that you are pissed because? Sorry but I have never been a person that cares if I piss someone off. My life motto has always been "speak your mind and don't care what others think of you." If I am thinking it I will say it and I never care who it pisses off.

This is also the reason I will never get married, cause I don't like spending any of my money on someone who is not me, that and I will eventually manage to piss you off anyway.

Philly Mike Wrote:

zdunklee Wrote:And I care that you are pissed because? Sorry but I have never been a person that cares if I piss someone off. My life motto has always been "speak your mind and don't care what others think of you." If I am thinking it I will say it and I never care who it pisses off.

This is also the reason I will never get married, cause I don't like spending any of my money on someone who is not me, that and I will eventually manage to piss you off anyway.

I speak my mind plenty, but that doesn't mean i have to be a dick about it and alienate others. I had you pegged for someone with at least a shred of decency but you are nothing but a effing a-hole. seriously calling someone an idi0t is just an insult, not an opinion. then trying to prove it by stating others have PMed you about it is just juvenile. how much of a effing prick could you be?

Jiggy Wrote:

Philly Mike Wrote:I speak my mind plenty, but that doesn't mean i have to be a dick about it and alienate others. I had you pegged for someone with at least a shred of decency but you are nothing but a effing a-hole. seriously calling someone an idi0t is just an insult, not an opinion. then trying to prove it by stating others have PMed you about it is just juvenile. how much of a effing prick could you be?

You probably don't want to hear my opinion because I just walked in on this but Mike, I think you are blowing this way out of proportion. I think you will look back on this in a couple days and realize he wasn't insulting you just trying to state that you were fighting a losing battle.

Philly Mike Wrote:

Jiggy Wrote:You probably don't want to hear my opinion because I just walked in on this but Mike, I think you are blowing this way out of proportion. I think you will look back on this in a couple days and realize he wasn't insulting you just trying to state that you were fighting a losing battle.

nonetheless, if someone called you an idiot and then said they have pms that agree with that statement, you wouldn't be upset?

zdunklee Wrote:For the record mike, I wouldn't be, but that is a result of my above "life motto" and not caring what others think of me. I also generally am the "punching bag" so to speak amonst my friends because they know if they give me shit about anything I don't get upset and just roll with it.

Jiggy Wrote:I can understand why you're upset by the initial reaction. However, I do not believe people are saying you're an idi0t in a hurtful way. I think originally it was said in a lighthearted way for this particular situation. Zdunklee has already said there are subjects on here where you blow people out of the water on intelligence level. You are definitely smarter than me when it comes to math but I don't believe you are smarter than zdunklee only because he makes better points. As far as people agreeing with him, maybe that was taken out of context. People, I'm sure agreed with him that he is right (as I have done) not that you are an idi0t.

^^^obviously I can't tell you for sure if this is what the pm's were about. only he could clear this up.

Jiggy Wrote:

Philly Mike Wrote:nonetheless, if someone called you an idiot and then said they have pms that agree with that statement, you wouldn't be upset?

I can understand why you're upset by the initial reaction. However, I do not believe people are saying you're an idi0t in a hurtful way. I think originally it was said in a lighthearted way for this particular situation. Zdunklee has already said there are subjects on here where you blow people out of the water on intelligence level. You are definitely smarter than me when it comes to math but I don't believe you are smarter than zdunklee only because he makes better points. As far as people agreeing with him, maybe that was taken out of context. People, I'm sure agreed with him that he is right (as I have done) not that you are an idi0t.

^^^obviously I can't tell you for sure if this is what the pm's were about. only he could clear this up.

Quote:I am done debating this topic, because a debate implies that all parties have intelligence in the subject matter, and clearly Mike, you only have enough to just get by for what you need it for. I don't want you to take that as an insult to your intelligence as I am sure there are many topics in which you are smarter than I, but math is not one of them.

zdunklee Wrote:

Jiggy Wrote:I can understand why you're upset by the initial reaction. However, I do not believe people are saying you're an idi0t in a hurtful way. I think originally it was said in a lighthearted way for this particular situation. Zdunklee has already said there are subjects on here where you blow people out of the water on intelligence level. You are definitely smarter than me when it comes to math but I don't believe you are smarter than zdunklee only because he makes better points. As far as people agreeing with him, maybe that was taken out of context. People, I'm sure agreed with him that he is right (as I have done) not that you are an idi0t.

^^^obviously I can't tell you for sure if this is what the pm's were about. only he could clear this up.

I tried to clear that up with my first post about it:

Quote:I am done debating this topic, because a debate implies that all parties have intelligence in the subject matter, and clearly Mike, you only have enough to just get by for what you need it for. I don't want you to take that as an insult to your intelligence as I am sure there are many topics in which you are smarter than I, but math is not one of them.

The PM's were from people saying they didn't agree with mike, simply because his arguments were not smart ones and were starting to make him look like an ambulance driver, not that he specifically was an ambulance driver. Which I agreed with, for god sakes he thought 0.444... rounded goes to 0.445 in one of them. He seems to have taken it as if I called him in all around ambulance driver, when the fact is that never happened.

Oh well, it is called the touchy subject forum for a reason I guess, and for the record, I know this won't help the situation, but I am not the one whining and crying like a little baby so calling my posts immature is a little bit on the hypocritical side.

Philly Mike Wrote:NO!!! this could have all been avoided if it would have just went to a let's agree to disagree, but instead it got escalated because you decided to say i was stupid and tell me how much support you have in the form of PMs on the subject of my stupidity.

dingdongyo Wrote:

Philly Mike Wrote:NO!!! this could have all been avoided if it would have just went to a let's agree to disagree, but instead it got escalated because you decided to say i was stupid and tell me how much support you have in the form of PMs on the subject of my stupidity.

mike, you know i like you buddy... it's math, it's not opinion. there is no agree to disagree, there's right and wrong. he's right, you're wrong. the "shit talking" were people agreeing with him.

i'm also getting confused... i've seen where you say 1) all you want is an explanation, 2) that nobody uses this practically, and 3) that you actually don't care. 1) has been provided, 2) dodges the original question, and 3) seems like an awfully big lie with the fight you've put up.

everyone also seems to agree this has gone on way too long, and about a page is totally off subject. this fit you're throwing is titan-esque, and i know you're better than that.

there's nothing else to say. the proof is all here. your refusal to understand it for 6 pages has been so flabbergasting that what else can be said but "jeez mike, you're being an ambulance driver"? doesn't mean people hate you or anything. believe it or don't believe it, but don't expect people to "agree to disagree" with you if you don't, because only one way can be right in mathematics, and it's not you here. sorry.

zdunklee Wrote:This is also the reason I will never get married, cause I don't like spending any of my money on someone who is not me, that and I will eventually manage to piss you off anyway.

taekahn Wrote:

zdunklee Wrote:This is also the reason I will never get married, cause I don't like spending any of my money on someone who is not me, that and I will eventually manage to piss you off anyway.

Agreed, other people in your life are usually nothing but complications. I have a grand total of about 3 friends, whom i almost never see.

Philly Mike Wrote:It doesn't matter what you called me an idi0t with you just did, and that's the problem. don't go out and call someone an idi0t, trying to demean them in the middle of somewhere.

Quote:I am pissed, you are out here trying to act like a dick and continue to try to state that i am stupid by saying things like you can't round up .444 to .445 or anything like that. why can't you? if you needed it for a quick answer or had to round of in terms of money you would go from .444 to either .45 or .44 .

Quote:and yest it is called the touchy subject forum, but it doesn't give you the right to insult someone. the reason i state you are immature is because you decided to go ahead and resort to name calling, it's bad enough speed bump did it, but he is a dick and i ignore his posts in general anyway. Then you decide not to only do it but go the extra step to try to say that you have PMs with people supporting the fact that i am stupid. your reason for doing so is that it just is who you are? that is bullshit. you could still be a decent person and not resort to the point of name calling when someone was still acting civil toward you. Yes I am not acting fully adult now, but that is because it is past that point, and it seems to be the language out of anything else said that your mind actually understands better than the higher spectrum of speaking seeing as you had to resort to the name calling to begin with. So yes i am ranting but only because an a-hole like you seems to understand me better when i do so, effing dick.

zdunklee Wrote:

Philly Mike Wrote:It doesn't matter what you called me an idi0t with you just did, and that's the problem. don't go out and call someone an idi0t, trying to demean them in the middle of somewhere.

If I think it I am gonna say it, I have already covered that. Also, I think everyone but you can see that I never said anything more than you are being an idi0t about this one subject. Hell I clearly said that there are plenty of topics that I know you are smarter than me about. I said what I said to try and end this whole thing because it was no longer just me seeing what I was seeing, and quite frankly I was trying to stop before you looked even worse to some of the people here. This little temper tantrum is only backing them up, which was never the point.



In mathematics you always round down from 0.0 to 0.4, and round up from 0.5 and above, this is a pretty common notion to most anyone. If you have 0.444 cents, no one is ever going to let you pay for something that costs 0.45 cents because you don't have enough money.

Quote:and yest it is called the touchy subject forum, but it doesn't give you the right to insult someone. the reason i state you are immature is because you decided to go ahead and resort to name calling, it's bad enough speed bump did it, but he is a dick and i ignore his posts in general anyway. Then you decide not to only do it but go the extra step to try to say that you have PMs with people supporting the fact that i am stupid. your reason for doing so is that it just is who you are? that is bullshit. you could still be a decent person and not resort to the point of name calling when someone was still acting civil toward you. Yes I am not acting fully adult now, but that is because it is past that point, and it seems to be the language out of anything else said that your mind actually understands better than the higher spectrum of speaking seeing as you had to resort to the name calling to begin with. So yes i am ranting but only because an a-hole like you seems to understand me better when i do so, effing dick.

Actually I do have the right to call someone whatever I want, see the 1st amendment. This very thread supports my previous statements, look back at some of the things you messed up wether intentional or not that I was not the one that corrected you about. I have said you are looking dumb in this thread, and you continue to do so, I don't know what else to tell you cause like much of this thread you choose to ignore half of what I was saying in the first place. It's like talking to a hardcore conservative or liberal where they ignore any valid points you make and just talk about the ones they can try and refute.

*** As I have said many times, I do think you are an idi0t compared to me when it comes to math, but obviously there are many subjects on here where I think you are smarter than me. ***

(stars added so that maybe you read the entire statement for once)

zdunklee Wrote:In mathematics common notion = mandatory. In language

zdunklee Wrote:idi0t = a foolish or stupid person. Which to me is what you were when it comes advanced mathematical subjects such as 0.999... = 1 and why.

zdunklee Wrote:Yes, I called you an idi0t compared to me, which you are when it comes to math (math being all math combined not just the easy normal everyday stuff). I say it generally like that because compared to me you don't have near the education or understanding of mathematics which by definition makes you an idi0t when compared to myself or any other mathematics majors. Just as I would consider myself an idi0t compared to business or history majors in that subject.

Hell even stats people like Allyson I would consider myself an idi0t, cause math and stats(they have what I consider effed up equations with weird symbols that I don't know what they mean) are for sure not the same thing and I would be able to get by for what I needed it for, but would never know the details as well as I am sure she does.

Philly Mike Wrote:

zdunklee Wrote:Yes, I called you an idi0t compared to me, which you are when it comes to math (math being all math combined not just the easy normal everyday stuff). I say it generally like that because compared to me you don't have near the education or understanding of mathematics which by definition makes you an idi0t when compared to myself or any other mathematics majors. Just as I would consider myself an idi0t compared to business or history majors in that subject.

Hell even stats people like Allyson I would consider myself an idi0t, cause math and stats(they have what I consider effed up equations with weird symbols that I don't know what they mean) are for sure not the same thing and I would be able to get by for what I needed it for, but would never know the details as well as I am sure she does.

Regardless what manner you meant it in, if you call someone idi0t, don't get surprised if they get pissed. It is a strong word with harsh meaning with the only purpose of diminishing ones character. It is like being in a bar, flipping someone off and expecting them not to get upset about it.

Jiggy Wrote:Philly Mike - You called me an idi0t. I don't like that.
zdunklee - Yes when it comes to this topic, compared to me.
Philly Mike - You called me an idi0t. I don't like that.
zdunklee - Yes when it comes to this topic, compared to me.
Philly Mike - You called me an idi0t. I don't like that.
zdunklee - Yes when it comes to this topic, compared to me.
Philly Mike - You called me an idi0t. I don't like that.
zdunklee - Yes when it comes to this topic, compared to me.

except repeat this process for 2 pages. :

zdunklee Wrote:It started in this thread, might as well end here also.