Conservatives vs. Liberals

[kaboobie92]

just wanted to see how many conservatives there are compared to liberals. I'm a die hard conservative and just wanted to see what the ratio is like

[Wiener Poopie]

I swing both ways, in politics that is

[lovegrenade]

My name's Sean and I'm a former Conservative. I've been clean now for 4 years, and I'm proud to say that I am now liberated.

[zig]

I lean liberal on most (though not all) social stuff. Conservatives often give me an anti-science vibe. And I don't consider myself knowledgeable enough about economics to know where I stand in that arena.

[ratrad]

I've been known to be called "commie pinko bastard" in the past. I'm alright with it.

[providencecrow]

I am not really either. I mean im a Libertarian which i suppose is fairly conservative, but i wouldnt call myself "A Conservative" by any stretch of the imagination.

[theterribletwist]

I am not really either. I mean im a Libertarian which i suppose is fairly conservative, but i wouldnt call myself "A Conservative" by any stretch of the imagination.

Libertarians will one day free America from the oppressive liberals and neocons! I too am a libertarian because unlike many Americans, I am not afraid to live without oppression.

[Mad Dog]

I'm all for leaving people too their own devices so i guess i'm a liberitarian, but when i vote it is strictly republican because i have hated every democrat since Jimmy carter and the Liberitaian party has 0 chance of getting elected

[hotzester]

I'm more conservative than liberal, so I do classify myself as a Conservative. I've been registered as a Democrat, and I've been registered as a Republican.

Unfortunately, there's not really a party that I fall completely in line with.

I:

~Rarely curse
~Am pro-life
~Am a Christian
~Have no problem with gay people, they can do what they want, I just don't think they need to be "married". I'm even in favor of civil unions, just don't call it marriage.
~Am a proud supporter of the 2nd Amendment
~Am pro-military
~Support President Bush and my brothers/sisters in their current missions.
~Believe marijuana should be legalized, because prohibition has NEVER worked (not a very conservative position at all, is it?)
~Believe in a smaller government, with lower taxes for ALL Americans
~Am horrified at the thought of socialized healthcare
~Am in favor of zero tolerance when it comes to illegal immigration. If you want to come here, awesome. But do it illegally or we're kicking you out and you'll NEVER make it here again.

[Titan!]

I'm more conservative than liberal, so I do classify myself as a Conservative. I've been registered as a Democrat, and I've been registered as a Republican.

Unfortunately, there's not really a party that I fall completely in line with.

I:

~Rarely curse
~Am pro-life
~Am a Christian
~Have no problem with gay people, they can do what they want, I just don't think they need to be "married". I'm even in favor of civil unions, just don't call it marriage.
~Am a proud supporter of the 2nd Amendment
~Am pro-military
~Support President Bush and my brothers/sisters in their current missions.
~Believe marijuana should be legalized, because prohibition has NEVER worked (not a very conservative position at all, is it?)
~Believe in a smaller government, with lower taxes for ALL Americans
~Am horrified at the thought of socialized healthcare
~Am in favor of zero tolerance when it comes to illegal immigration. If you want to come here, awesome. But do it illegally or we're kicking you out and you'll NEVER make it here again.

Damn man, other than the Effing cursing, I think you and I might be twins.

[hotzester]

Oh, I DO curse, I just try to keep it to a minimum. Otherwise who knows when it'll slip out?

[captaincrunch]

I'm right with you two hotzester and titan. I think what the responses so far show is that most people don't follow part lines too strictly and there are a lot of us that just agree with personal freedom. I'm also one who would vote Libertarian if there was a chance of the candidate winning. I am so friggin scared of Obama winning this time, and the ensuing socialism, that I will have to support McCain. Personally, I think the time will come in the next 20 years that there will either be a revolution/ coup d'etat or we will see a third party come to power. After all, Thomas Jefferson did say that we should have a Revolution every 20 years.

[hotsauce]

i am mostly with you Hotzester. I do believe in abortion though. But only in the first three months. I Do not believe in the partial birth thing at all I think gay people should have rights just like man and women, but do not call it a marriage. Call it a civil union or something else, but don't call it a marriage. I hope that somewhere in the near future Bush will have been found to be a good president and that he made the right choice. I would't mind marijauna being legalized since it would help me with my pain. I would like more research done with stem cells so maybe thay could come up with a cure for my MS. I don't mind having people coming to America, but those that come should do it the right way. Follow the rules and learn to speak English. That is our language of choice. You are supposed to melt into us, not just come here and try to change us to be like you. Keep your national identity but realize that YOU came here to get away from what was there.

Sorry I guess i am rambling. I think I am pretty much a conservative.

[speedbump]

I recently read an article in Newsweek (Liberal leaning, I know) that said with the 1 trillion dollars spent in Iraq we could have repaired every school, bridge, and road. Enough money to create universal healthcare (I know, create, NOT fund), and to start Manhattan projects on alternative energy. Certainly this should be taken with a grain of salt, but you can't say the war has justified what developments we could have made. That's not even counting the lives lost and soldiers injured.

[potthole]

Overall I'd consider myself to be a conservative.

[ahole]

I recently read an article in Newsweek (Liberal leaning, I know) that said with the 1 trillion dollars spent in Iraq we could have repaired every school, bridge, and road. Enough money to create universal healthcare (I know, create, NOT fund), and to start Manhattan projects on alternative energy. Certainly this should be taken with a grain of salt, but you can't say the war has justified what developments we could have made. That's not even counting the lives lost and soldiers injured.

Liberal leaning and then some. I can't think of a better way to spend a trillion dollars then to blow up countries. Universal Healthcare? Talk about boring me out of my effing mind. Lets blow some sh-t up instead. For example, I could have bought my family some healthy food for this upcoming weekend, but instead I spent my $200 of disposable income on some pretty effing sweet fireworks from Northern Indiana. I'm just like Dubya... awesome.

[cassierae]

I'm an independent. I refuse to label myself!

[dino]

I'm an independent. I refuse to label myself!

Isn't that what you just did?

[Wiener Poopie]

I'm an independent. I refuse to label myself!

Sorry but Robin Hood takes from the rich and gives to the poor.....that's a Democrat

[madcap95]

Social Moderate

Fiscal Conservative

Which line do I have to get in?

[ratrad]

I'm more conservative than liberal, so I do classify myself as a Conservative. I've been registered as a Democrat, and I've been registered as a Republican.

Unfortunately, there's not really a party that I fall completely in line with.

I:

~Rarely curse
~Am pro-life
~Am a Christian
~Have no problem with gay people, they can do what they want, I just don't think they need to be "married". I'm even in favor of civil unions, just don't call it marriage.
~Am a proud supporter of the 2nd Amendment
~Am pro-military
~Support President Bush and my brothers/sisters in their current missions.
~Believe marijuana should be legalized, because prohibition has NEVER worked (not a very conservative position at all, is it?)
~Believe in a smaller government, with lower taxes for ALL Americans
~Am horrified at the thought of socialized healthcare
~Am in favor of zero tolerance when it comes to illegal immigration. If you want to come here, awesome. But do it illegally or we're kicking you out and you'll NEVER make it here again.

By that, I'd say you almost fully fall in line with Republican, my friend. Embrace it, don't hide it. I used to always try to distance myself from the Dems, seeing as I don't agree with most of the Democrat politicians. It isn't worth it. I am, who I am.

[hotzester]

Oh I'm very much a registered Republican, for the reason you stated. However, I'm a REASONABLE Republican, particularly when it comes to gay marriage. Like I said, be gay. I don't care. Just don't bitch that you can't have a marriage like I do, when you're not like I am.

Be different, that's cool. Accept it. Be proud of it.

I just have a hard time accepting someone's desires to be "treated as equals" while they're marching in a parade to remind us how fundamentally different we are.

[ahole]

Oh I'm very much a registered Republican, for the reason you stated. However, I'm a REASONABLE Republican, particularly when it comes to gay marriage. Like I said, be gay. I don't care. Just don't bitch that you can't have a marriage like I do, when you're not like I am.

Be different, that's cool. Accept it. Be proud of it.

I just have a hard time accepting someone's desires to be "treated as equals" while they're marching in a parade to remind us how fundamentally different we are.

Oh my God, you're SOOOO Right! Because "Separate but Equal" has always made for successful public policy!

[kaboobie92]

i agree with hotzester to a point. Its almost like affirmative action. Affirmative action is racist. Correct me if i'm wrong but people want to be equal correct? So by helping them get accepted into college over students that have worked just as hard or harder in school we are making things equal? i didn't think so. A little off topic, but I think it kind of applies to the whole marriage thing. I am against it because of my religious convictions, but marriage is a sacred thing.

[Biff]

Oh my God, you're SOOOO Right! Because "Separate but Equal" has always made for successful public policy!

Gay people can get married. There is zero marriage discrimination against them anywhere in the United States.

[ratrad]

i agree with hotzester to a point. Its almost like affirmative action. Affirmative action is racist. Correct me if i'm wrong but people want to be equal correct? So by helping them get accepted into college over students that have worked just as hard or harder in school we are making things equal? i didn't think so. A little off topic, but I think it kind of applies to the whole marriage thing. I am against it because of my religious convictions, but marriage is a sacred thing.

I took a class that actually went really into depth about Affirm Act. I used to be way against it, but after everything was explained, it made sense.

[ratrad]

Oh I'm very much a registered Republican, for the reason you stated. However, I'm a REASONABLE Republican, particularly when it comes to gay marriage. Like I said, be gay. I don't care. Just don't bitch that you can't have a marriage like I do, when you're not like I am.

Be different, that's cool. Accept it. Be proud of it.

I just have a hard time accepting someone's desires to be "treated as equals" while they're marching in a parade to remind us how fundamentally different we are.

Oh my God, you're SOOOO Right! Because "Separate but Equal" has always made for successful public policy!

Holy crap! I was totally going to tell him that what he wrote leaves sooo many slippery slope issues it almost made my head explode.

[speedbump]

Oh my God, you're SOOOO Right! Because "Separate but Equal" has always made for successful public policy!

Gay people can get married. There is zero marriage discrimination against them anywhere in the United States.

They can't get married to someone else of the same sex, which is kind of the issue.

"You gain +10 to nit picking"

[Biff]

Gay people can get married. There is zero marriage discrimination against them anywhere in the United States.

They can't get married to someone else of the same sex, which is kind of the issue.

"You gain +10 to nit picking"

So there's no civil rights violations right? They can get married just like straight people, right?

[Wiener Poopie]

[speedbump]

They can't get married to someone else of the same sex, which is kind of the issue.

"You gain +10 to nit picking"

So there's no civil rights violations right? They can get married just like straight people, right?

I think you're trying to make a point that isn't really valid. If you're saying that there is no civil rights issue because a man can marry a woman, and this also applies to gay men or women, then you are ignoring the civil rights issue that a man cannot marry another man.

[Biff]

I think you're trying to make a point that isn't really valid. If you're saying that there is no civil rights issue because a man can marry a woman, and this also applies to gay men or women, then you are ignoring the civil rights issue that a man cannot marry another man.

No, they have the same rights as straight people. They can still get married.

Your point is that they cannot marry another person of the same sex and claim that that is a civil rights violation. It's not. No matter how hard you wish for it to be a civil rights violation it really isn't.

[speedbump]

I think you're trying to make a point that isn't really valid. If you're saying that there is no civil rights issue because a man can marry a woman, and this also applies to gay men or women, then you are ignoring the civil rights issue that a man cannot marry another man.

No, they have the same rights as straight people. They can still get married.

Your point is that they cannot marry another person of the same sex and claim that that is a civil rights violation. It's not. No matter how hard you wish for it to be a civil rights violation it really isn't.

So, the two states that legalized same sex marriage, did so for what reason? To change things up? Or did they do it because it was found unconstitutional to ban same sex marriages?

Protip: It's the latter

[fistor!@#]

If it becomes legal for a man to marry another man, then it should also be legal for a man to marry a horse, a tree, a house, etc.

[speedbump]

If it becomes legal for a man to marry another man, then it should also be legal for a man to marry a horse, a tree, a house, etc.

Except the constitution doesn't guarantee rights to any of those things.

[fistor!@#]

If it becomes legal for a man to marry another man, then it should also be legal for a man to marry a horse, a tree, a house, etc.

Except the constitution doesn't guarantee rights to any of those things.

It's all in the definition. To me, a civil union between a man and a woman = marriage. A civil union between a man and man = a civil union.

[internkylebusch]

Moderate! I can to either side. There's things I'm liberal about and there's things I'm conservative about. I'm in the middle. I'm labling myself as Moderate for those reasons.

[speedbump]

Except the constitution doesn't guarantee rights to any of those things.

It's all in the definition. To me, a civil union between a man and a woman = marriage. A civil union between a man and man = a civil union.

Personal opinion is fine, I'm just saying what the courts decided.

[Biff]

Protip: It's the latter

Incorrect.

[speedbump]

Protip: It's the latter

Incorrect.

No, it's not.

"On May 15, 2008 the California Supreme Court ruled that excluding same-sex couples from marriage is unconstitutional, effectively creating same-sex marriage in California."