10-23-2008, 10:40 AM
Now we're going to get into a highly sensitive issue, but I still feel it's important to retort. I respect you, Queenie, so please don't think I'm attacking you, and I will do my best to not sound as if I'm doing so.
I read as far down as his comments about how he feels Obama is all for partial birth abortion, and then he went into detail of what actually constitutes a partial birth abortion. Then I had to stop reading a piece that is obviously trying to mislead the reader.
Obama voted against bills that tried to ban partial birth abortion because there was no provision in these bills to protect the health of the mother, which he felt was important to have added.
http://www.ontheissues.org/2008_Fox_News_Sunday.htm
In my opinion, what he's saying by it's "purposeful" is those who present these bills intentionally leave out provisions for the mother, thereby forcing Democrats to vote against it. Then they can trot out the Dems voting record in the future to make them look like monsters.
Clearly Obama isn't some ogre who does everything he can to make sure partial birth abortions continue forever. He thinks the states should restrict it. Yes, it's a cop-out, but so is McCain's view on Roe v. Wade. He said he would not repeal it and he would rather have it be made irrelevant. So would we all, through abstinence and monogamy, but that's not going to happen. But it's a nice middle of the road answer on the hottest of hot button topics. All politicians try to be as middle of the road as possible on abortion by using fancy rhetoric that appeals to their particular party.
I do think, however, that Republicans have a tendency to use abortion as a political football and aren't terribly concerned with having it actually repealed. Just my opinion. While legalized abortion is still around, they can continue to make Democrats look like blood-thirsty homicidal maniacs who don't value human life. If it were repealed, they'd lose a key stump issue, so there is interest in keeping it around.
And for the record, I'm against abortion, but I agree it's an extremely sensitive issue.
I read as far down as his comments about how he feels Obama is all for partial birth abortion, and then he went into detail of what actually constitutes a partial birth abortion. Then I had to stop reading a piece that is obviously trying to mislead the reader.
Obama voted against bills that tried to ban partial birth abortion because there was no provision in these bills to protect the health of the mother, which he felt was important to have added.
Quote:On an issue like partial birth abortion, I strongly believe that the state can properly restrict late-term abortions. I have said so repeatedly. All I've said is we should have a provision to protect the health of the mother, and many of the bills that came before me didn't have that.
Part of the reason they didn't have it was purposeful, because those who are opposed to abortion have a moral calling to try to oppose what they think is immoral. Oftentimes what they were trying to do was to polarize the debate and make it more difficult for people, so that they could try to bring an end to abortions overall.
As president, my goal is to bring people together, to listen to them, and I don't think that's any Republican out there who I've worked with who would say that I don't listen to them, I don't respect their ideas, I don't understand their perspective. And my goal is to get us out of this polarizing debate where we're always trying to score cheap political points and actually get things done.
http://www.ontheissues.org/2008_Fox_News_Sunday.htm
In my opinion, what he's saying by it's "purposeful" is those who present these bills intentionally leave out provisions for the mother, thereby forcing Democrats to vote against it. Then they can trot out the Dems voting record in the future to make them look like monsters.
Clearly Obama isn't some ogre who does everything he can to make sure partial birth abortions continue forever. He thinks the states should restrict it. Yes, it's a cop-out, but so is McCain's view on Roe v. Wade. He said he would not repeal it and he would rather have it be made irrelevant. So would we all, through abstinence and monogamy, but that's not going to happen. But it's a nice middle of the road answer on the hottest of hot button topics. All politicians try to be as middle of the road as possible on abortion by using fancy rhetoric that appeals to their particular party.
I do think, however, that Republicans have a tendency to use abortion as a political football and aren't terribly concerned with having it actually repealed. Just my opinion. While legalized abortion is still around, they can continue to make Democrats look like blood-thirsty homicidal maniacs who don't value human life. If it were repealed, they'd lose a key stump issue, so there is interest in keeping it around.
And for the record, I'm against abortion, but I agree it's an extremely sensitive issue.