03-30-2009, 11:28 PM
Imray_Pinasheep Wrote:zdunklee Wrote:I'm not blaming either party, both Bush and Obama have done basically the exact same things. At this point Obama hasn't done anything worse than what Bush did, so that is why I am taking a wait and see attitude, I mean we will know in 2 months what is going on anyway.Really? Bush passed a bill to spend over a trillion dollars? With a good chunk of that dedicated towards establishing a doomed national healthcare system? I think I missed that one. As much as "Bush's War" (as some people like to refer to it as) put us in debt, our current President's budget is taking national debt to ever-growing heights. I realize that having some national debt is essential, provided the money's being used in promising ways.. but I don't see that right now. I hope I'm wrong.
zdunklee Wrote:We have always been partly a socialist country as it is, not like it has ever truly been a free market system, because that would completely fail.
Perhaps we have, but never so much as recently. We're turning into a nanny state, where the government begins to make decisions for the people. It's time society remembered that politicians are supposed to work towards establishing the will of the people.. of course, given most people's attitudes nowadays that may not be the best approach. I think we're beginning to reap what we've sown.
What bill actually spends over a trillion dollars, the budget has projections from republican news orgs that say that, but the dems say different, so who is right? It's all smoke and mirrors from both sides and the truth is somewhere in the middle.
Both parties are to blame anyway as Bush started the spend, spend, spend trend by more than doubling our national deficit during the time he was in office and Obama is just continuing it. Like someone else said minus a few insignificant differences that don't really matter to the middle ground people neither party is really any different.
To many people vote based on non-issues like abortion and stem cell research or in this election color of skin. Until that stops we are gonna be stuck with shitty leaders and shitty corupt congressman.
As far as a nanny state, the same types of things were tried during the Great Depression, albeit with smaller amounts of money but compared to today and adjusted for inflation I bet it was not that different. Really this mess is all the bank's fault anyway. There seems to be a trend with every major depression in US history and it being linked to the banks.
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