Club Gitmo

[Philly Mike]

What are we, in high school? What is the obsession people have with being regarded as the most popular and most-favorably looked upon nation? It brings to mind a quote plastered all over MY high school- "What is popular is not always right, and what is right is not always popular."

what does high school have to do with it? The "obsession" is because if people don't like you they won't work with you. Seeing as the whole world is basically connected now we all need to work together as much as we can, allies are one of the most important things if ever an emergency should arise, if you push them all away because "what is popular is not always right" then you lose. The Roman empire made the mistake of thinking they could go without any help and be all powerful and you see what happened there.

No, he can't create law and automatically give tax cuts. I also thought the President couldn't take over a massive corporation, but he's done it not once.. but three times (Chrysler, GM and AIG)!

He's already admitted the cut he promised to 98% of Americans is not feasible. You think that platform earned him a vote or two? And now he's already gone back on it. No, he can't just say "No more pork barrel spending.. make it so!" and wave a magic wand.. but he could actually attempt to stand behind his words. His spending package (some people referred to it as a stimulus) was ridiculously full of pork and earmarks, and that was after campaigning about ending government waste and increasing government efficiency. You are aware that government employees (average salary: ~74,000/year) are getting raises this year (bringing their average salary to ~76,000/year), right? Yeah.. wait to follow through.

Okay again, it takes time to get to all the points. Yes I never expected him to make good on every promise, and he still will work to get as much of a tax cut as possible. I don't think he wants to make things worse.

Also, with all the "green" legislation his party is proposing (and don't tell me he'd even consider vetoing it), a lot of people are going to be losing jobs. Hell, there's even a provision in the new climate bill that provides three years of special unemployment benefits to those whose jobs will be lost as a result of the "American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009." Do you think that'd be in there if it wasn't going to be an issue? It also does nothing to protect the poor from the rate hikes it'll bring about. I could go on and on, but this is too long already.
(http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/4443...mate_bill/)

Well as far as this goes in the article you sent, this whole article decides to set aside some details and completely take the right of the argument so I can't say either or on that, and any other articles that are on the right point out a lot of good and according to even the article you sent it looks like it will create a lot more job than any lost. Regardless, this is not a bill that Obama himself made so it has nothing to do with any promises he made or anything I was talking about. I understand the fact that hey may sign it in but compromises have to be made to get anything through, I mean with support from USCAP and The Nature Conservancy I can't see how this can be all that bad.

You know why you thought Bush and his boys did a lot of good? Because they weren't even CLOSE to conservatives when it comes to most issues. They spent money like liberals, passed rather liberal legislation (aside from the GOP tenets of abortion/stem-cell issues, the "sanctity of marriage", etc) and were very short-sighted. If not for the war, I bet Bush Jr. could've been one of the most popular presidents ever.. hell, his approval ratings were still better than the Dem-controlled Congress in the last two years (which isn't saying much, because both were pathetic).

Not even close to conservatives??? How can you say that at all, the dems even had problems with the way he spent let alone all of the other topics you've mentioned. There were very few things he did right. I didn't think the good he did that much good. Sorry about the wrong wording with a lot, I should have said some good. there were a ton of stupid decisions he made. Even besides the war he would have screwed up a lot, the biggest problem he had was the fact that him and mostly chieny were so corrupt that they thought the president had more power than he should and the vice had way more power than any vice president should ever have.

As far as your comments mad dog I pretty much responded to most of it through this, but when you say about the big brother and stuff like that it is a little too blown out of proportion. He will not be able to pass any kind of bill stating too much control, no one will agree with that. This is why we have a democracy. One thing he will do is try to work with congress as he already has. Obama actually does work with others. If this was McCain who won I would be saying the same thing. When I found the 2 people who were running for president were Obama and McCain I thought it was great because they are both smart, and the biggest point of anyone who should be president, they actually work across party lines. Regardless what you think of Obama he actually does try to work with others.

I know there will probably be a response to this but it will be useless to respond too much more because this will just start to go in circles and I don't feel like going into one of those again. That plus the amount of conservatives in here it will go to more than just 2 on 1 here.