06-13-2009, 11:37 AM
Mad Dog Wrote:Philly, They are not are allies, they never have been, and they never will be. We have only ever had one Iranian Leader that was friendly to the United States and that was the Shaw of Iran. And even then the US basically installed him and he was tossed out of his country in disgrace.There have been many changes going on in the past 10 years there. Even with Bush as president more and more people are looking towards the western way. There are women who are rebelling by wearing tight jeans and shirts, or homosexuals starting their own subculture there. It is only a matter of time until the voice of the people is actually heard. Yes all of the hatred towards the way of the US is not because of Bush, it is mostly because of the conservatives in their corrupt government too, but as has been shown in other countries like India and even china, the people begin to rebel and accept the western ways and the government soon becomes obsolete.
What makes you think they are gonna start being all lovey dovey with us now? While it is true that not every person in Iran hates us ( I know because I actually dated an Iranian girl a couple of times) from a governmental stand point, they hate our guts.
They are jealous of the fact that even though they have been nation since ancient times (called by different names) They have barely made it to a twentyth century life style, and much of the population hasn't made it past made it past 17th century living, and they are a proud people, seeing themselves as the cradle of world civilization.
And they are pissed at the fact that, we could wipe them off the face of the earth if we were of the mind to and we wouldn't have to send one troop to do it. North Korea has the same self image problem, only x10. And now Obama, who has been in the white house for six months now, is going to magically change their hearts and mind with a couple of self abasing speeches and and pleading that its ok now cause Bush was a big meanie is naive and dangerous.
It is not just Obama, not just small things, but they don't hurt the cause either. Korea is different because the leadership has kept the wool over the eyes of the people, but more and more people are starting to realize the truth there too, that plus kim jong il may be very sick too and on his way out. There are a number of things, the UN will have to resolve somehow and it will not be the end of the world. North korea will go no where with this nuclear thing and they know it. this is just a bunch of boasting, they are not stupid enough to ask for a death sentence.
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I am the master of my fate, I am the captain of my soul.
[spoiler]Shit, you took away the black bar. Put it the fuck back now![/spoiler]