10-06-2006, 02:40 AM
So me not watching Yankee games prevents me from offering an unbiased opinion? And you ONLY watching Yankee games? That validates your opinion for Jeter over everyone else?
When Sheffield and Matsui went down the Yankees still had Damon, Jeter, Giambi, and Arod for fuck's sake. Still the best lineup in baseball
Why are you people making it seem like Jeter was doing what Barry Bonds was doing for the last 5 years in San Francisco - single handedly putting his team in contention?
Jeter was not the best hitter on the Yankees. Both Arod and Giambi are and were better. Batting everage is a stat from the 80s, it's pointless. Both had higher OPS, power, and run production
Jeter was the only guy who hit above the #3 spot in the top 10 of OBP? So what? That is a completely worthless stat, clearly brought up to seemingly pad his MVP credentials. He was also the only SS, the only guy who wore #2, and was half white.
Who cares about stolen bases? They are a fantasy category. Their only value is in increasing the amount of runs a player scores - can't give him credit for both steals and runs.
If Jeter's not on the Yankees, they have the White Sox offense. OK,. fine. Well where are the Red Sox without Ortiz? The A's without Thomas? How can you possibly say Jeter was worth more to his team than either of those two players?
And if you argue that
a) The guy has to make the playoffs so it can't be Dye or Hafner or Ortiz
b) The guy has to play defense, so it can't be Ortiz or Hafner ot Thomas
c) Not only does defense matter, but the quality of defense matters (and you think Jeter is good) thereby further distancing Jeter from the DHs and even Morneau, who's only average
d) can't be a pitcher, since they have the Cy Young, therefore eliminating Santana
e) it's not just home runs that win the award, but average, leadership, defense, the whole package
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Well, then you are voting for Joe Mauer.
Better hitter than Jeter (higher OBP and SLG), in a worse lineup, plays a more premium position, plays it exceptionally well, and was one of only two actual hitters on the Twins.
If your argument is "well, I just want a Yankee to win", well then, sure give it to Jeter.
Honestly, Jeter is not in the top 5 in MVP voting in my mind
Will all you Yankee fans just admit that this bogus MVP will be a lifetime achievement award and be done with it?
At least, last year the Arod-Ortiz debate had merit. Arod's numbers were stunning, just not as good as Ortoz's. The debate therefore was "what is the value of fielding?" OK. Valid argument. Clearly people are going to be biased, but there's no debate that Arod put up at worst, the second best season in the AL last year.
But this Jeter campaign is just laughable. No matter what the argument, Jeter's not first.
When Sheffield and Matsui went down the Yankees still had Damon, Jeter, Giambi, and Arod for fuck's sake. Still the best lineup in baseball
Why are you people making it seem like Jeter was doing what Barry Bonds was doing for the last 5 years in San Francisco - single handedly putting his team in contention?
Jeter was not the best hitter on the Yankees. Both Arod and Giambi are and were better. Batting everage is a stat from the 80s, it's pointless. Both had higher OPS, power, and run production
Jeter was the only guy who hit above the #3 spot in the top 10 of OBP? So what? That is a completely worthless stat, clearly brought up to seemingly pad his MVP credentials. He was also the only SS, the only guy who wore #2, and was half white.
Who cares about stolen bases? They are a fantasy category. Their only value is in increasing the amount of runs a player scores - can't give him credit for both steals and runs.
If Jeter's not on the Yankees, they have the White Sox offense. OK,. fine. Well where are the Red Sox without Ortiz? The A's without Thomas? How can you possibly say Jeter was worth more to his team than either of those two players?
And if you argue that
a) The guy has to make the playoffs so it can't be Dye or Hafner or Ortiz
b) The guy has to play defense, so it can't be Ortiz or Hafner ot Thomas
c) Not only does defense matter, but the quality of defense matters (and you think Jeter is good) thereby further distancing Jeter from the DHs and even Morneau, who's only average
d) can't be a pitcher, since they have the Cy Young, therefore eliminating Santana
e) it's not just home runs that win the award, but average, leadership, defense, the whole package
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....
Well, then you are voting for Joe Mauer.
Better hitter than Jeter (higher OBP and SLG), in a worse lineup, plays a more premium position, plays it exceptionally well, and was one of only two actual hitters on the Twins.
If your argument is "well, I just want a Yankee to win", well then, sure give it to Jeter.
Honestly, Jeter is not in the top 5 in MVP voting in my mind
Will all you Yankee fans just admit that this bogus MVP will be a lifetime achievement award and be done with it?
At least, last year the Arod-Ortiz debate had merit. Arod's numbers were stunning, just not as good as Ortoz's. The debate therefore was "what is the value of fielding?" OK. Valid argument. Clearly people are going to be biased, but there's no debate that Arod put up at worst, the second best season in the AL last year.
But this Jeter campaign is just laughable. No matter what the argument, Jeter's not first.