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| Posted By | Discussion Topic: Question of the day: What If Al Gore was president? | ||||
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| Filzy Stand up straight Stomach in Shoulders back SOUND OFF!!! | posted on 10-14-2001 @ 10:02 PM |    | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00  | This has been ricocheting around in my head for the past week, and some of you probvably have this question in mind too. Let's say Al Gore was the president, and not Bush. Do you think events would unfold the same way or different? and What would Gore do in this terrorist attack?  There are 3 types of leaders and heroes. Some are born leaders, some are built from the ground up by experience, and some are the right people at the right time. Now accepting two recruits for the revived Armored Division. This message was edited by Filzy on 10-15-01 @ 10:21 AM | ||||
| FoundryMusicScott | posted on 10-14-2001 @ 10:24 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Aug. 00 | Filzy, you bring up an important question, not in the context of history but an important one now. Unfortunately, the only politician who is a fan of the show, not even of this board, Gary Ackerman, can even give you an idea of what the impact of Al Gore in the White House could be in this situation. I say this because there is much more that just one man in one position- as we have seen, Bush's Cabinet has played a major role in investigating and capturing potential persons in this attack, but also the development of military attacks. Rumsfeld, Minetta, O'Neil, Ashcroft, and even Myers have been major public figures during this time. It is these people that have made just as much a contribution as Bush. So, you'd also have to view this from the prespective of who would have filled those Cabinet positions. That's why only a politician in the House or Senate might know enough to lend that type of expertise. But we can all guess. "That's what we're paid for, boys. We're gonna take care of this. We're going to find out who did this. They're not going to like me as President." -President George W. Bush, 9/11/01 | ||||
| Cunt-Twat I'm not a Cockblocker, I'm a COCKSUCKER! | posted on 10-14-2001 @ 10:32 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | part of me believes that this might not have happened under gore, hell, they've been living in our back yard for who knows how long, and the "clinton-gore" admin. is out, and less then a year later this happened?? on the other hand, it may just be a coincidence (sp) that this happened. they did try this once before, in 1993, and all the attacks over seas. who knows? Remember-Laughter heals. | ||||
...And now the battle between us and them has begun. JYD-4-LIFE. | posted on 10-14-2001 @ 10:40 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: May. 00 | the only thing i can say with certainty if gore was president is i wouldnt have a check for $300 for my tax break this year:) what would happen in the context of what occured? who knows. im sure this still would have happened but would a democratic response be that much different from the republican response that we have now? both demorcrats and republicans are americans beyond everything else, so im sure it would be a response that would have been beneficial to all americans  Across the field you see the sky ripped open See the rain through a gaping wound Pounding on the women and children Who run Into the arms Of America-U2 | ||||
| FeelMyFunBags | posted on 10-14-2001 @ 10:43 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | I think this is a question that a lot of us have been thinking about. I know it is something that crossed my mind rather quickly. I think if Gore was President, that we would most likely not be engaging in military strikes against the Taliban. America was attacked both on our soil and overseas during the Clinton/Gore administration and NOTHING was really done to bring any end to the terror. Perhaps had the Clinton administration responded with force to the WTC bombing of 1993, the U.S.S. Cole bombing, and the embassy bombings, we might not be dealing with this now. (But that doesn't really answer the question at hand, although it somewhat addresses a comment made by Cunt-Twat). As much as I disliked Bush before, I have total confidence in him now, I think he along with his cabinet and other advisors will get the job done and get it done right, Gore however would probably side more with the tree-huggers. Also...to address another comment by Cunt-Twat: quote: I think that Bush's foreign policies did NOT help us at all, but I also think that Clinton's heavy involvement in the Palestinian Isreali conflict also played a heavy hand in the attacks... But honestly, I think this has more to do with Bush (father) and what happened during the Persian Gulf War....  "I know every one of you, I know the sea of torment, doubt, despair and unbelief." -Walt Whitman USA | ||||
| FoundryMusicScott | posted on 10-14-2001 @ 10:43 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Aug. 00 | But if administration has anything to do with it, why would the attacks come during a presidency who is militaristic in its leader's background? It goes to show that the terrorists didn't care who was in office. They planned this too far in advance to care about the backlash. By the way, I forgot Secretary of State Colin Powell. He has been tremendous. But as to Faceman's reply, of course the reaction to the tragedy would be similar, but the response depends upon information gathered and the mentality of those responsible for retaliation. That is why one's Cabinet is so important and why that has so much influence upon the original poster's question. "That's what we're paid for, boys. We're gonna take care of this. We're going to find out who did this. They're not going to like me as President." -President George W. Bush, 9/11/01 This message was edited by FoundryMusicScott on 10-14-01 @ 10:58 PM | ||||
| okterrific23 | posted on 10-14-2001 @ 11:50 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 00 | I think if Gore was President, he would have done the same thing Clinton did right after the African Embassy bombings. Gore would've launched a couple of million dollar cruise missiles at a mud house, shack, hut etc. Unlike Bush who actually spent a couple of weeks planning and gathering intelligence, unlike Clinton who bombed an aspirin factory in Sudan. | ||||
| FoundryMusicScott | posted on 10-15-2001 @ 12:03 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Aug. 00 | So Okterrific23, it is your belief that Gore would have reacted to the death of almost six thousand civilians like his predecessor did after the embassy bombing? And you believe that his response would have been the same? But shooting a couple of missles to the general area? Then you do not know leadership and you do not know politics. And while that ignorance is not sinful, it must be corrected. Not just the president, whomever it may be, but down to a state delegate knows what the proper response to what happened should be. Find out who did it and respond accordingly. The latter point is where it goes beyond if Gore was president or not. It weighs heavily upon his cabinet. And one would have to know who Gore was thinking of appointing to those posts before we can make an accurate determination of how our response would be made. "That's what we're paid for, boys. We're gonna take care of this. We're going to find out who did this. They're not going to like me as President." -President George W. Bush, 9/11/01 | ||||
| OAAWITE | posted on 10-15-2001 @ 12:26 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | Can't really say how Gore himself would have handled the situation, but I definately prefer for Bush's administration to be handling the situation currently. Gore could be a great guy, and like Bush has, he could have surprised us with his abilities to pull people together during this event. However, there's no question that Gore certainly wouldn't have had filled his cabinet with ex-military and defense personnel. I would rather have Bush's "military-heavy" cabinet be in charge of this instead of Gore's "environment-heavy" cabinet. Finally this argument: quote: holds ABSOLUTELY no water. Bush has been in office for less than a year. It is generally known that it took these people many years to plan this and people were taking flight training before Bush was in office. This attack was decided upon, and planned well before anyone had a clue who would be following Clinton as president.  | ||||
| IkeaBoy P.L.F. Portugese Liberation Front- Liberating Status' everywhere from the Tyranny of Portugal I will die a traitor's death | posted on 10-15-2001 @ 12:42 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Sep. 00 | If Gore was president he'd be berated from all sides not doing anything soon enough and harsh enough even if he followed what GWB is oding currently. However I feel safer under Bush than under Gore in this scenerio. "I didn't realize how tragic it [the WTC attack] was until the celebrities told me"- Ron Bennington This message was edited by IkeaBoy on 10-15-01 @ 3:13 AM | ||||
| DasDoomper | posted on 10-15-2001 @ 8:18 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | quote: It's no secret that Clinton/Gore hated the military. They got much of their budget cut during the former president's two terms. Just ask any one in the military about how they could no longer train because they didn't have the parts, ammunition, and people to train properly. If Al Bore were in office, I'm not even sure we'd have a military. DasDoomper  | ||||
| Power Tool | posted on 10-16-2001 @ 12:46 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jun. 01 | If Gore were president now: -We would have rounded up about 11 potential terrorists or witnesses by now instead of hundereds -We would have been done with our action in Afghanistan for a week by now, and would have claimed victory without ever seeting foot on the ground in Afghanistan. -The administration would be looking to see 'what we did to deserve' this attack. This would have resulted in further US tolerance for militant cocksuckers globally. -There would be a much greater risk of terror going forward. I am thankful every day that Bush is in at this time. It is evidence that there is a God :)  | ||||
| adolescentmasturbator | posted on 10-16-2001 @ 1:20 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | quote: LMAO are you serious? Gore is an environmentalist. Sure next thing you will tell me is the Democratic Party is Communist.  Resident Board Socialist Email me here or IM me at stickysituation2 or pinkorag Webmaster of the Undergound Unofficial I Hate WhackBagKid Message Board I currently have brought no one into the International | ||||
| Scrappleking | posted on 10-16-2001 @ 1:27 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Aug. 01 | As the difference between Democrats and Republican pols decreases, I think the Gore reaction would be similar. He would have responded with force. Like FoundryScott said, the entire cabinets would be different, so there is no way to tell. Gore may actually have responded quicker than Bush did, because of public opinion. Americans realized Bush was pro-military, and would evenually strike, we were patient. If Gore was in office, there would be more doubters as to his willingness to use military force. Gore would have to play his hand quicker than Bush did. The action may not have been as well planned as the first portion of Bush's. At this point, Gore may have killed more Afganh civilians. "Somebody took my phone number and called Afghanistan. Afghanistan! I've never talked to anyone in Afghanistan, I don't know nobody in Afghanistan, and even if did know anyone, I wouldn't talk to that Afghan ass for three hours! I won't talk to my daddy for three hours." | ||||
| 2 tired 2 give N F One of the Teen Tomatoe Boys is Retarted... Guess which one I am!!! | posted on 10-16-2001 @ 1:48 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jan. 01 | quote: Well if Al Gore were president he'd say he invented terrorism... Seriosly though... I think Scrappleking said it best...we'd be done already with our fight and we would be facing more attacks later...due to the fact that his attack would have been rushed...  And I find you here, Through your eyes everything's clear, And I fall inside your arms, but I'm alone for now, alone for now... | ||||
Nay. We are but men. ROCK. The man with the plan. | posted on 10-16-2001 @ 2:02 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | To answer this question, first you have to be comfortable with the fact that these days, the office of President is really nothing more than a figurehead. That being said, the object of that figurehead, in this situation, is: 1) Make the country aware that we will find those responsible. 2) Comfort the American people by reassuring them that their government is handling the people in number 1. Bush has done this very well, and continues to do so to this day. Gore? Don't make me fucking laugh. The guy has all the personality of a garden slug. How do you comfort the American people when you are physically unable to show any form of emotion? And beyond the President, to the administration (the people who do the actual work) - how do you think it would have played out? Many speeches written for the figurehead, I'm sure... telling them how he feels such sorrow.... how we must return to a normal way of life.... how we cannot let terrorism keep us down.... but something would be missing. Where's the part about finding whoever did this and kicking the shit out of them? Wouldn't exist. No, in Gore-world, we would send diplomats from alllll over to the Taliban embassy in Pakistan. And talk. And talk, and talk, and talk, and talk some more. And eventually the talking work its way off the evening news for other stories... what would get accomplished? Not a goddamn thing. Then everyone wonders why one day, a few years later, the Empire State Building and the Sears Tower are rocked by near-simultaneous explosions. Come on, people... anyone who thinks Gore would have done anything USEFUL is a fucking brainwashed liberal pussy. Go hug a tree and bite the pillow.  Me droogies: Noellevious.... she's made me so proud. Two positions available. Come and get one in the yarbles.... if you have any yarbles. | ||||
| RonRon5477 | posted on 10-16-2001 @ 2:46 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Apr. 01 | I am happy that a republican is president. Democratics tend to be socialists, where republicans tend to be right wingers. Republicans go for a long solution and war is usually the way they go (Bush, Bush Jr, Reagan). Democratics take the quick way out and launch a few missles (Clinton). Shane Falco in The Replacement on the last play of the game: "I wish I could say something classy and inspirational, but that just wouldn't be our style. Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory... lasts forever." Want to use the O&A EZPass lane? here's how (only for NY listeners, sorry to everyone else): The URL is: "http://ronron5477.homestead.com/files/OA"+previous phone screener before Stinky+previous phone screener's girlfriend's name+".html" AIM: RonRon5477 | ||||
| adolescentmasturbator | posted on 10-16-2001 @ 2:50 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | quote: Are yous serious? The business lobby loved Bill Clinton because he was so Pro-Business. Resident Board Socialist Email me here or IM me at stickysituation2 or pinkorag Webmaster of the Undergound Unofficial I Hate WhackBagKid Message Board I currently have brought no one into the International | ||||
| RonRon5477 | posted on 10-16-2001 @ 3:00 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Apr. 01 | i guess socalists was a bad word to use. I meant war is not their strong point. They tend to spend money on things other than defense. Shane Falco in The Replacement on the last play of the game: "I wish I could say something classy and inspirational, but that just wouldn't be our style. Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory... lasts forever." Want to use the O&A EZPass lane? here's how (only for NY listeners, sorry to everyone else): The URL is: "http://ronron5477.homestead.com/files/OA"+previous phone screener before Stinky+previous phone screener's girlfriend's name+".html" AIM: RonRon5477 | ||||
| OAAWITE | posted on 10-16-2001 @ 3:11 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | quote: AM, Can't tell if you're joking or not, but if you don't think that Gore is a massive massive environmentalist, you're completely ignorant. Gore wrote a book called "Earth in the Balance" which is an entire book about how the environment is in dire danger, and that the combustion engine was the most dangerous invention of the 20th century. I'm not bashing Gore for being an environmentalist at all, since I really could give a rat's-ass of his policies. Gore is a huge environmentalist and if you listened to a word he's said in the last 20 years, you'd realize it. I made no mention of the Democrats being Commies. But Gore is a tree-hugger and he will admit it. | ||||
| o&aswallow | posted on 10-16-2001 @ 3:19 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | You tools are too funny. If Gore was president we would pretty much be doing the same thing. Remember, a president acts primarily on public opinion polls. After September 11th, polls overwhelmingly told the president Americans wanted a military response. Initially, the president will talk tough, but he will act on what the polls tell him to do. If Gore was president, the polls would have told him the same thing. To say that we are better off because of Bush’s cabinet is unfair because we don’t know who Gore would have had in his cabinet. Other than Powell, does Ashcroft, Rumsfeld and Thomson really exude public confidence? Have any of you really listened to Donald Rumsfeld’s press conferences? Does Tommy Thompson convey confidence to you that the US is ready to treat American’s in the event of a major bio-terrorisim outbreak? The major difference if Gore was in office is we wouldn’t have wasted time trying to gain approval from Arab nations of an attack in Afghanistan. Daddy Bush did the same thing prior to the Gulf War. Clinton did not seek the approval of the Arab world prior to two attacks of Iraq and prior to launching cruise missile attacks against Afghanistan. He did not seek approval of anyone to launch attacks against Yugosolavia. He notified the UN and went about his business. If Gore was president, we wouldn’t be halting attacks on Friday’s in observance of the Muslim holy day, allowing Muslim clerics the opportunity to call their followers to arms against American’s If you think Bush was so high and mighty, just take a look at his approval ratings prior to September 11th. Many Americans were asking prior to 9/11 if we even had a president. The only president that had lower approval ratings in modern times was Daddy Bush, prior to the Gulf War, and than after the war prior to the election. One thing Jr. learned from daddy was that to ensure that he gets re-elected, he needs to make sure that the war against terrorism is still in full swing come election day. Have any of you wondered yet why Bush has been using the terminology “Americans need to be prepared to support a long and sustained war against terrorism?â€. Have you wondered where the projections of a 3 to 5 year war are coming from? I know, some of you tools will say are you nuts suggesting that Bush would drag the war out for his own political advantage? Allow me to answer you in advance. Politics are politics, and the answer is you better f’n believe it.  Puff The Magic Dragon Raised it's Fearsome Head, It Had One Simple Mission To Make al-Qaida dead! Oh and kissy-pie huggy-poo The Froy thing. American Patriot, Pennsylvania resident, but original NYC listener. This message was edited by o&aswallow on 10-16-01 @ 8:19 PM | ||||
| adolescentmasturbator | posted on 10-16-2001 @ 3:27 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | OAS is right Politicians act on polls. If a poll came out that you would like to see George W. blow Cheney on national television and it showed he would get re-elected if he did it Dubya would get on his knees. Gore makes a lot of shit about being an environmentalist but it's all bs. I really don't know many true environmentalists that actually support the FTAA, NAFTA, WTO, etc. like Gore does. Gore is a pretend environmentalists kinda like how Gap and Nike say they are advancing labor rights. Resident Board Socialist Email me here or IM me at stickysituation2 or pinkorag Webmaster of the Undergound Unofficial I Hate WhackBagKid Message Board I currently have brought no one into the International | ||||
The sky is blue | posted on 10-16-2001 @ 4:19 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Oct. 00 | BUT AL GORE L@@KS LIEK A LUMBREJACK AFD TEH GUY NXET DOOR1!11 Wanna be the coolest kid on your block? Get an 'I love Froy t-shirt!' Add it to your sig today! Email me at [email protected] | ||||
| adolescentmasturbator | posted on 10-16-2001 @ 4:24 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | Oh another thing Al Gore made huge profits from oil companies and a zinc mine which was a gigantic environmental hazard. The more I learn about Al Gore the more I realize that I can't tell any difference between the two. Resident Board Socialist Email me here or IM me at stickysituation2 or pinkorag Webmaster of the Undergound Unofficial I Hate WhackBagKid Message Board I currently have brought no one into the International | ||||
| nj_voodoo | posted on 10-16-2001 @ 4:32 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00 | What a horrible thought. Gore.... President Gore. | ||||
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