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TeenWeek
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posted on 05-14-2002 @ 1:57 PM      
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I am getting concrete put in around an in ground pool. Does anyone know if I need a building permit for this? I live in or Passaic COunty in Jersey.



This message was edited by TeenWeek on 5-14-02 @ 2:00 PM
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posted on 05-14-2002 @ 2:04 PM      
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posted on 05-14-2002 @ 2:04 PM      
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If you build it, they will come.

Try calling the Department of Buildings, since I never noticed Bob Vila posting here.




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posted on 05-14-2002 @ 2:06 PM      
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TeenWeek
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posted on 05-14-2002 @ 2:08 PM      
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The stupid fuckers did not know. The only guy who does was out today. Wanted to know if anyone else got concrete put in around their house or pool and if you need a permit for it.

The Painter
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posted on 05-14-2002 @ 2:15 PM      
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It all depends on local ordinances. Try calling a swimming pool contractor, and ask him/her. It doesn't sound like you should need one, but you never know. Here in Huntington, you need a CO (certificate of occupancy) for a tool shed if it's 8x10, or bigger. Most of the permits and CO's are so they can raise your taxes. If you can do it on the sly, they won't know, and won't raise your taxes.


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SweetAngel
posted on 05-14-2002 @ 5:11 PM      
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quote:

Most of the permits and CO's are so they can raise your taxes. If you can do it on the sly, they won't know, and won't raise your taxes.

While this may or may not be true, if it DOES require a permit and you don't get one, you can run into trouble when it comes time to sell the house.







The Painter
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posted on 05-14-2002 @ 5:46 PM      
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you can run into trouble when it comes time to sell the house.

You just get a CO then. It happens all the time. The whole tax system is fucked up. The guy who puts $250,000 in home improvements is rewarded with incressed taxes. His neighbor could let his house turn into a shit hole, and buy a $250,000 boat to enjoy, and his taxes aren't raised. Both spend the money, but the guy who improves the town he lives in is punished.


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posted on 05-14-2002 @ 8:40 PM      
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quote:

The only guy who does was out today.

DAMN! Looks like tomorrow night's pool party is fucked, huh? Don't worry, you'll call in the morning, and I'll come over and help. We can have that motherfucker in in three hours! :-D




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SweetAngel
posted on 05-14-2002 @ 9:46 PM      
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TeenWeek said:
quote:

Passaic COunty in Jersey

Painter said:
quote:

Here in Huntington

In NJ, it varies by municipality as to whether or not a CO is required to SELL or OCCUPY a home. Permits are a totally different thing.

If he puts the concrete down without a permit and it turns out that he should have gotten a permit, when he goes to sell the house he can run into problems getting a CO (if it is required). These problems can be in the form of fines or they can make him remove the concrete.

I work for a lawyer who does a lot of real estate work...we run into CO and permit problems all the time.

I would say wait until you can speak to the person who knows about the permits (or call a pool person in your town who would know) before you go pouring concrete. Or, you can just take your chances.







The Painter
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posted on 05-14-2002 @ 11:59 PM      
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quote:

Painter said:
quote:
Here in Huntington

Referring to a tool shed.
quote:



Painter said:
quote:

It all depends on local ordinances.

That's the same thing as:
quote:

In NJ, it varies by municipality

Jesus, what a tool. Get a clue.


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SweetAngel
posted on 05-15-2002 @ 7:44 AM      
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I was referring to the fact that he lives in NJ and you live in NY (is my assumption correct that Huntington is NY?), as well as the fact that laws in different states may be different.

My point (if you bothered to read it before dismissing me as a female without a brain) was that if a permit was needed to pour concrete and was not obtained, when the house goes up for sale (if a Certificate of Occupancy is required in that particular municipality) there can be repercussions (i.e., fines, removal of the concrete, etc).

Wouldn't it make more sense to just do it properly from the beginning, rather than dealing with the headache when it comes time to sell?

Whatever though...it's not my house.

If you want to be a dick and dismiss me for having knowledge that could help, that's your choice.







TeenWeek
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posted on 05-15-2002 @ 7:57 AM      
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I talked to the guy who is doing concrete around my pool and said he has never gotten a permit before to do this so he did not know.

However, he did say something that made sense which is the same thing that was said when I remodeled my kitchen. If you are replacing something that was already there and not adding anything to it, you do not need a permit. My defense will be we just replaced pre-exisiting concrete that had cracks in it and the mason said we did not need one.

Everytime you get a permit, your goddamn taxes go up. We fixed our bathroom, which included electrical, plumbing, etc and now the tax assessor is coming to up our taxes.

Thank you for all your help. Sweet Angel thanks for telling me about that CO. I did not know that.

SweetAngel
posted on 05-15-2002 @ 8:20 AM      
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quote:

My defense will be we just replaced pre-exisiting concrete that had cracks in it and the mason said we did not need one.

That will work as long as there IS pre-existing concrete around the pool. Again, if you go to sell your house and a new survey shows concrete where an old one did not, you could run into problems.

I'm not trying to be a pain in the ass (or a stickler for detail), just trying to save you a hassle down the road. :)








TeenWeek
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posted on 05-15-2002 @ 8:28 AM      
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What is currently around there is slabs of limestone. We are getting a safety cover for the pool so we need concrete. The limestone is not strong enough for a safety cover.

If the guy has done many jobs and has not used a permit, isn't that a good defense if there is a problem.

SweetAngel
posted on 05-15-2002 @ 9:27 PM      
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I hope by now you've been able to talk to the permit person that you needed to talk to.

My only concern with going by what the pool guy says (that he's never used a permit) is that if there's a problem when you go to sell, he may or may not still be in business and probably wouldn't remember your conversation. Unless of course the POOL GUY installs the concrete...then I'd say you're covered.

**EDIT** Oh yeah...I just checked back...you're the one who gave me so much help last year when I needed to figure out how to open my pool! I started much earlier this year. It was much less yucky when we opened it, turned blue pretty quickly, but I still can't seem to get rid of the cloudiness. Any ideas? There's no more algae, and the chorine, alkalinity and Ph are within range.









This message was edited by SweetAngel on 5-15-02 @ 9:33 PM
Albadabing
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posted on 05-16-2002 @ 12:40 AM      
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Hey sweetangel, hows it going. I haven't spoken to you since your little xp/printer dillema. Anyway, the cure for cloudy pool water is always a big box of baking soda. Walk around the pool sprinkling it in to the water..It never fails, especially when the chlorine levels are good. Let me know when I should put my pool float in the car and head over. PS, the water has to be over 75 degrees.......Talk to ya soon!!!! :) :-D

SweetAngel
posted on 05-16-2002 @ 7:39 AM      
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Hey Al! I just checked the baking soda box...here's what it says:

"Low Cost Pool Care: When chlorinating swimming pools, add 1 lb. Baking Soda per 10,000 gallons of water to neutralize the pH factor. It works to stabalize swimming pool water thereby reducing eye discomfort and keeping the water clear. Add chlorine as often as necessary."

Right now, the chlorine, pH and alkaline levels are good...won't adding baking soda lower the pH and screw me up again?

Hopefully I can get the pool cleared up by the weekend and throw the solar cover on. It might be some time before it hits 75 degrees though...you have some time to blow up that float. LOL







TeenWeek
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posted on 05-16-2002 @ 8:44 AM      
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Sweetangel, get a product called pool perfect from your pool supply store, leslie's is really good if there is one nearby.

Than poor about half to 3/4's in a big bucket. I use the one I got my chloring tablets in. Than fill it with water. Walk around your pool while emptying the mixture. By morning you should be fine. It really works. :)

PeterDragon
posted on 05-16-2002 @ 10:33 AM      
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If you are replacing something that was already there and not adding anything to it, you do not need a permit


Absolutely not true. Building permits are not just for new work; some renovations require it also. You need to check with local village/town/etc building dept.

(although if it is replacing something that is currently there the odds of someone giving you crap go way down).

Your contract (If you have one) with the contractor should require him to get any and all permits.

Better to be safe than sorry.




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Albadabing
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posted on 05-16-2002 @ 4:38 PM      
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Hey Sweetangel:
Most pool pros will tell you that p.h. is a bunch of bullshit. Don't worry about p.h....You could by the other product that was recomended a few posts before this 1, and it will work fine, but you'll probably spent about $20 or $30 more than
the baking soda. Pool pros will tell you throw away the ph up and ph down. All you need is chlorine, algecide and baking soda. Yes of cource baking soda is base, which lowers acidity and acts like ph down, but what it really does is help to coagulate the particles to help filter the water and give you a softer chrystal clear pool.......I wouldn't steer ya wrong....As for the water temp., let me know when we hit 75 degrees....I will dig out my air-pump that plugs in to the ciggarete lighter in the mean time
I' will also be praying for some good summer weather........Cya when we hit 75 :-p :cool: :-D

SweetAngel
posted on 05-16-2002 @ 4:43 PM      
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TeenWeek: Looks like this has turned into a double-duty thread. Sorry about that. ;)

Al: I'm gonna give the baking soda a shot (due to the cheapness factor)...if that doesn't work, I'll be trying the Pool Perfect that TW suggested. I'll let you know when the temp is just right, but isn't South Jersey a bit of a hike just to float in the pool? ;)

Thanks guys!








The Painter
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posted on 05-16-2002 @ 5:22 PM      
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I'AM BACK

quote:

If you want to be a dick and dismiss me for having knowledge that could help, that's your choice.

I've never done that in my life. However, if you want me to I will. You were saying the same thing I was, that's all. Just don't be so timid. Sometimes you just have to break the law. He didn't have to, so all is good.


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SweetAngel
posted on 05-16-2002 @ 9:35 PM      
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quote:

Jesus, what a tool. Get a clue.

Yeah, you're right...I must have misunderstood your meaning.








Albadabing
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posted on 05-16-2002 @ 11:51 PM      
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Teenweek my apologies for throwing a cluster F at your thread....
Sweetangel, yes south Jersey is a bit of a travel for me. I live up in New York, BUT, my father lives down by you in Marlton, and I do need to visit him when your pool hits 75 degrees. Wink-Wink....Are you far from Marlton???



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