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| dirtydingusmagee | posted on 11-27-2001 @ 8:29 PM |    | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 01  | There are a bunch of ways to know things-through scientific reasoning,through logical systems,through faith,and even directly(Kekule experienced the structure of the carbon benzene ring directly). The vaunted scientific method has it's limitations,too,and scientific "beliefs" change all the time(if you don't think there are scientific beliefs just like there are religious beliefs,read Thomas Kuhn-The Structure of Scientific Revolution).Only when a substantial body of scientific facts goes against the currently held theories,is there a so-called "paradigm change". Big Bang?The time taken for the clusters of clusters of galaxies seen today to form is way longer than the suposed age of the universe,and the clusters of clusters appear in sheets rather than uniformly,as predicted by the big bang.Until gravity is really understood(quantum gravitation= exchanging gravitons=my ass ),it's a joke to even speculate about stuff like the Big Bang. The Big Bang theory is a real stinker with a huge amount of internal inconsistencies;yet people don't rail about it like they rail about the inconsistencies involved in religious belief.I doubt I'll hear Opie moaning while Anthony expounds on the "There was No Big Bang" anytime soon. | ||||
| adolescentmasturbator | posted on 11-27-2001 @ 8:29 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | Score Anti-Religon-39375875075345904350394 Religon-0  Resident Board Socialist IM me at stickysituation2 | ||||
| Noellevious Teh cute. Look at that. You could bounce quarters off of it. Incredible. | posted on 11-27-2001 @ 8:34 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 01 | quote: So have been insanity, ignorance, prejudice and hatred. There are worse things then a little faith.  One Nation...Indivisible. NYPD & FDNY - All give some, some give all. I could never turn my back away. 11. 2. 01. | ||||
| RottenVinny I have no fucking clue what happened to Sluggo667. VinnyWS6: chicks? they dont have the penis so why would i care about them VinnyWS6: froy is quite hansome VinnyWS6: I want froys cock! | posted on 11-27-2001 @ 8:45 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | Religion makes me fucking sick! I fucking hate when Religious people put me down for not beliving in their god. I prayed every night my whole life and one day I saw George Carlin on HBO. His words turned me around. "Are we supposed to belive that theres a invisable man up in heaven, who gave us ten things we can't do." -Vinny | ||||
Nay. We are but men. ROCK. The man with the plan. | posted on 11-27-2001 @ 8:47 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | quote: Random explosion that we cannot possibly even grasp, or big guy in the sky.... Explosion, guy in the sky... Hmmmmmmmm.... Give me a friggin' break. If you can't see which one's clearly more insane, get in the coffin and go visit your guy in the sky.  "Miracles and lucky charms made the girl of my dreams the girl in my arms." - Dr. Frank This message was edited by FollowThisLogic on 11-27-01 @ 8:56 PM | ||||
| Noellevious Teh cute. Look at that. You could bounce quarters off of it. Incredible. | posted on 11-27-2001 @ 9:01 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 01 | quote: Will you just admit you're an atheist? One Nation...Indivisible. NYPD & FDNY - All give some, some give all. I could never turn my back away. 11. 2. 01. | ||||
Nay. We are but men. ROCK. The man with the plan. | posted on 11-27-2001 @ 9:07 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | quote: The day you turn YOUR back on God, I'll do it. "Miracles and lucky charms made the girl of my dreams the girl in my arms." - Dr. Frank This message was edited by FollowThisLogic on 11-27-01 @ 9:57 PM | ||||
| spudsbuckley | posted on 11-27-2001 @ 9:40 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Nov. 01 | I loved Anthony's comparasion to all other literature from history that was WRONG and FICTION like the world being flat, etc. The bible was just created to keep order and instill fear in the "sheep". By the way, BLOWING YOUR CLONE = ALWAYS GAY | ||||
| Sir Okonkwo | posted on 11-27-2001 @ 9:41 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | I'm an Athiest. I don't understand how anyone with a rational brain cell in their head can believe in God. I enjoy reading about religion and studying religious text, but more for the sociological and philosophical implications than any enlightenment I may derive. In fact, the only religion that makes any sense to me at all is modern Satanism (which for all intents and purposes, is just another spin on Athiesm), and even that is inherently flawed. I come from a very religious family, but at about the age of seven I realized that it was all bullshit. I still attended church, still attended classes, and still did all those things that were expected of any young Catholic. Basically, I was afraid to say anything, for fear that if I denounced my faith, I'd be subjected to even more church, even more classes, and even more rituals and attempted brainwashing these cult followers believed and participated in. Oh well, such was life... Anyway, for those interested, and have some time to kill, click here for a shitload of Atheist and Agonstic quotes.  "My political opinions lean more towards anarchy....The most improper job of any man, even saints, is bossing other men."-J.R.R. Tolkien, The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, 1981 "Shit, Piss, Fuck, Cunt, Cocksucker, Motherfucker and Tits"-George Carlin "Now you listen here to me, you horrible little creature"-William Regal to X-Pac | ||||
| Kid Afrika | posted on 11-27-2001 @ 9:50 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | FUCK GOD, JESUS, and the 12 DISCIPLES. (What? I like Rufus. :) )
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| Noellevious Teh cute. Look at that. You could bounce quarters off of it. Incredible. | posted on 11-27-2001 @ 10:25 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 01 | quote: So you completely refuse to say that there is no God? Fine with me. One Nation...Indivisible. NYPD & FDNY - All give some, some give all. I could never turn my back away. 11. 2. 01. | ||||
King Shit *board owner* | posted on 11-27-2001 @ 10:45 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Feb. 01 | quote: There is also a big differnece between being privately or personally spiritual and being a fundamentalist. When faith is practiced privately, it causes little harm. It is when the faithful organize and utilize their collective power and attempt to spread their beliefs that harm occurs. It is the reason it took so long for evolution to be taught in schools, why so many liberal legislations have taken so long to be passed, why opposing fiaths enter constant conflict, etc.  I believe in the Faith... that can save me. I believe in the hope and I pray... That someday it may raise me... above these badlands | ||||
| Noellevious Teh cute. Look at that. You could bounce quarters off of it. Incredible. | posted on 11-27-2001 @ 10:54 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 01 | quote: Right on, Froy. I hate those f'n Jehovah's Witnesses too! One Nation...Indivisible. NYPD & FDNY: All give some - some give all. I could never turn my back away. 11. 2. 01. | ||||
Nay. We are but men. ROCK. The man with the plan. | posted on 11-27-2001 @ 11:10 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | Ugh, I work with a damn Witness. Hell, even if I was a religious person, I don't think I could ever stand for a religion that: 1) You observe NO holidays, except for their version of Easter. Not even Christmas, national holidays, nothing. Everything is considered "pagan" to them. 2) You have to do FUCKING HOMEWORK. They have these "meetings". In order to participate in these meetings, you have to do a shitload of Bible study. That's homework. 3) You are shunned if you socially interact with non-Witnesses.... especially if you date one. 4) You are so blinded by your faith that it pretty much consumes your entire life. Bible thumpers, however, though they celebrate holidays, don't do homework, and don't go door-to-door, are much worse when it comes to devoting every moment of spare time to the church. "Miracles and lucky charms made the girl of my dreams the girl in my arms." - Dr. Frank | ||||
| Drusilla fag-hag | posted on 11-27-2001 @ 11:38 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 01 | religion is a crock of shit. it's for the weak minded who can't handle their problems. jesus freaks drive me insane. they should stay out of everyone elsse business & worry about fixing their own fucked up lives.  | ||||
| okterrific23 | posted on 11-27-2001 @ 11:45 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 00 | I can't even remember the last time I was in church...but, I do believe that there is some "force" out there. And I believe that there is a after-life. I used to pray every night before I went to bed, but now I don't. There are many things we can't explain in the world, I have my own questions like "Where did the dinosaurs come from?". There were no dinosaurs in the Bible, and we are forced to believe that the world was created like 5,000 years ago etc. etc. etc. | ||||
Pompous, Arrogant, Enigmatic, Bitter, Quirky, Misanthrope with a Weird Sense of Humor and an Iron Clad Memory while flooding the board with my Stream of Consciousness UFC STRIKE 3 (I'm a dick and I like to ruin people's plans) | posted on 11-28-2001 @ 12:40 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 00 | Well,lookie lookie here. I missed a thread that was on my favourite subject. Since, basically everyone except Noellevious is a non-believer, I would be preaching to the coverted. Besides, just like a question that was posed not too long ago, in Ken'sPen's thread, Things I don't understand about OpieAnthony.Com, he asked... "3. Why is there so much anger between some members of the board, and yet, Fight Club remains so lame?" To which Froy answered, "Because the best fights are the ones that aren't planned." Thus then, I like to bring it up when it is unexpected ;).  Funny how ev'rything was roses When we held on to the guns Write To Me Here AIM: SmarterChild
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| Lent Black Rock Coalition Do you have a basketball in your car? | posted on 11-28-2001 @ 12:53 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: May. 00 | I am an agnostic person myself. I tried the whole "praise god" thing. I was even in a youth group once for cyring out loud. It became apparent to me that they only exist to fuel some orgnizations motives (usually politically or monetary) I go to St. Johns University. Even though they won't cram it down your throat like I expected them to, I still fucking cringe whenver I hear the words "retreat" or "rally". To me they are no worse than a fucking meet of a cult. I didn't get a chance to listen what ant said, but I'm not merely joining the bandwagon as it may seem. The last time I went to church I remmber the pastor practially begging for the congreation to give them money. When I saw him driving a luxury car, I just gave up on religon. I still believe in a god and I always have belived in a god. But to me he's not gonna tell me what to do and what not to do. Now is it just me or is Catholicism whacked? I know this girl who is close to being a hardcore catholic. Her family almost dicates her moral decisions. It pisses me off that a silly religon forces her to not make choices for her self.  | ||||
Pompous, Arrogant, Enigmatic, Bitter, Quirky, Misanthrope with a Weird Sense of Humor and an Iron Clad Memory while flooding the board with my Stream of Consciousness UFC STRIKE 3 (I'm a dick and I like to ruin people's plans) | posted on 11-28-2001 @ 1:39 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 00 | OK, I see religions such as Catholicism, and Jehovawhateverism, are being singled out, I would like to point out that Religion and Faith are 2 seperate things. With that being said, Fuck 'em Both! Funny how ev'rything was roses When we held on to the guns Write To Me Here AIM: SmarterChild
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| njstrawberry | posted on 11-28-2001 @ 2:06 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Feb. 01 | I believe in a spiritual or I should say superior being. I give it not the qualities of man, i.e. being compassionate, a male or female or understanding. To do so would give it human qualities and thus take away from its superiority. I pray to it daily but I ask not for material possessions. I use it not as an excuse to commit crimes or atrocities. It is not an excuse or an attempt to rationalize any fears; I do that with my own courage. Nor do I use it as a crutch in my times of need. For in those times, I have my strength. I need not go to a house of worship for I believe in it within my heart and my heart is the only temple I need for it. I give it not my money, for I can not buy it's acceptance of me. I read not books about it for I learn from it through first hand experiences not books written centuries ago with nameless authors and unknown story tellers. So, you may ask why would I believe in something like that? Believe you me, I gain plenty from it. For each time I acknowledge its existence I reaffirm the notion that we stand not alone and with that I gain wisdom. After all, do you sincerely believe we have come this far alone? Foolish to think we are that superior and above all other kinds, seen and not seen.  This message was edited by njstrawberry on 11-28-01 @ 2:27 AM | ||||
King Shit *board owner* | posted on 11-28-2001 @ 12:40 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Feb. 01 | quote: Make absolutely no mistake about it... Religion is a business. It is the biggest business in the world. The Catholic Church is the richest organization in the world. It sounds all nice to praise god, but in the end it all comes down to who can put the most money in the collection plate to buy their blessings. I believe in the Faith... that can save me. I believe in the hope and I pray... That someday it may raise me... above these badlands | ||||
| Snoteater | posted on 11-28-2001 @ 2:39 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Apr. 01 | Nice Dogma reference K1d. | ||||
| itsamiata | posted on 11-28-2001 @ 4:03 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jan. 01 | Last semester I took a geology course as apart of my university core. The class was taught by a devout Jesuit. He would lecture class after class concerning samples of rocks and how they were millions of years old and would also give us figures about the world being exactly 4.7 billion years old thanks to radiometric dating. When asked how he can stand up there and tell us how the world is proven to be that old, yet dedicate to a religion that says were only a few thousand, his answer was elusive to say the least. He fumbled around alot and never really gave anything that resembled an answer. With literally thousands of religions in this world it seems absurd that you would be viewed as incorrect just because you ascribe to a religion that differs from others. Catholicism has way too many wholes in it. I have trouble swallowing the idea that if Timothy McVeigh received pennance before he was killed then he died with a "clean soul" was resolved of all wrong he did and is now living on a cloud somewhere with a firefighter that was killed at the wtc. | ||||
| Ken'sPen [Sarcasm] Doesn't Live Up To The Hype [/Sarcasm] I should have stayed OVER THERE | posted on 11-28-2001 @ 4:34 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 01 | I think the basic message of Christianity is great. I believe in the Golden Rule. I think there is much wisdom in the story of the fall of Satan. The "better to rule in......" The devil in that story was not evil incarnate, rather simply self serving. In that sense doing evil is simply putting your interests ahead of others, even when it causes them harm. That you are willing to cause someone great harm if it results in the slightest benefit to you. This ranges from extremes of armed robbery to sitting on a train when an old person stands. | ||||
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