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| adolescentmasturbator | posted on 03-10-2001 @ 10:22 PM |    | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01  | Murder is murder. When you commit such a heinous crime as that you should be punished like an adult.  LIKE SCHOOL IN SUMMERTIME | ||||
| Mi1o Yambag | posted on 03-10-2001 @ 10:25 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | that little girl was way too badly injured for this to have been an accident. fractured skull, broken ribs, and we're expected to believe he did this with wrestling moves that he believed wouldnt hurt her? I'm glad they locked him up. By the age of 12, he should know the difference between playing and murder. Smoke Weed Everyday | ||||
| FeelMyFunBags | posted on 03-10-2001 @ 10:26 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | But there is a difference between premeditated murder and unintentional manslaughter. Both should be punished yet there should be different variations to them. 300...400...500..You're my hooker..now eriously..where's my $10? | ||||
| MashedPotatohead NIGGA PLEASE! All the bitches in here are crazy! | posted on 03-10-2001 @ 10:28 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | If you change the defendant's age to 18 (or 28 whatever)would it make the crime any less heinous? If he were older, don't tell me people wouldn't be calling for his head. A first degree murder charge is harse, don't know if the jury was given the option of manslaughter (which is what I feel it should have been). I may be mistaken, but I thought I heard somewhere there was a possible plead bargain before the trial. At age 12, SOME people don't have a sense of what is life and death, but they SHOULD KNOW the difference between right and wrong. Sig Pic Under Construction | ||||
| PatCooper | posted on 03-10-2001 @ 10:30 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | quote:Mom: Boy Didn't Know About Sentence By TERRY SPENCER .c The Associated Press FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. (AP) - A mother testified Friday that she never told her 14-year-old son he faced a life sentence because she never believed he would be convicted of first-degree murder for killing a girl while imitating pro wrestling. Kathleen Grossett-Tate, a state trooper, said it never really dawned on her that her son, Lionel Tate, could spend the rest of his life in prison until he was convicted Jan. 25 of killing a 6-year-old family friend. ``I didn't think it would go this far,'' Grossett-Tate said. ``How can you tell a child he could go to prison for the rest of his life for playing?'' The boy's attorney wants Broward County Judge Joel Lazarus to overturn the conviction or, at least, reduce it from first-degree murder when he is sentenced March 9. The defense argued at trial that Lionel, then 12, was imitating professional wrestling moves he had seen on TV when he accidentally killed Tiffany Eunick in July 1999. The prosecution contended that Lionel intentionally beat Tiffany while his mother baby-sat the girl, who suffered more than 30 injuries, including a lacerated liver and a skull fracture. Prosecutor Ken Padowitz said Friday he wanted the judge to uphold Lionel's conviction but said he would ask Gov. Jeb Bush to commute the boy's sentence. He said that before trial Lionel and his mother rejected a plea bargain of three years in a juvenile prison, a year of house arrest and 10 years of probation and counseling. Mark James, Tiffany's father, asked the judge to uphold the conviction and impose a life sentence. ``Lionel Tate is not a victim - my daughter is the victim,'' he said.  | ||||
| The Painter 1/2 a bottle of Jack Daniels... it's a cure-all | posted on 03-10-2001 @ 10:54 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00 | You can't treat a 12 year old as an adult, because he's not. Think back to when you were 12. How grown up were you? Are you an adult at 12? Yeah, the kid did wrong, but you don't kill him, or lock him up for the next 50, 60, 70 years. If you think 12 year olds should be treated as adults, than should they be able to get a drivers license? Buy booze? Join the Army? Vote? | ||||
| MashedPotatohead NIGGA PLEASE! All the bitches in here are crazy! | posted on 03-10-2001 @ 11:01 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | quote: HOW FUCKKIN' STUPID IS THIS LADY? A state trooper that had NO knowledge of the law/consequences of the crime? UN-FUCKIN-BELIEVBLE SORRY, but age shouldn't be an excuse for stupidity. BTW - I was working part-time at that age Sig Pic Under Construction This message was edited by MashedPotatohead on 3-10-01 @ 11:07 PM | ||||
| roonedit | posted on 03-10-2001 @ 11:06 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Dec. 00 | I read the news article also, which didn't get the play that the sentence itself got, which describes the injuries, and let me tell ya, those injuries DO NOT come from a single act. On first glance the sentence appears harsh, but based on whats been written about her injuries, that girl was beaten, no, pounded to death. Even if it was a reckless act,(which I doubt) anyone that fucking stupid does not belong in society. "It's only an island if you look at it from the water!!" | ||||
| adolescentmasturbator | posted on 03-10-2001 @ 11:13 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | If this was premeditated he should be treated like an adult but if it was manslaugter its a different story. LIKE SCHOOL IN SUMMERTIME | ||||
| stacker2addict | posted on 03-10-2001 @ 11:46 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00 | I'm with rog I think the parents should join him at 12 we knew when we were hurting someone When we were play wrestling if someone got hurt which was like a sore arm or something we knew to stop or slow it down. As for blaming Wrestling, dont think thats the kid talking Sounds like Lawyers BS to me.  [email protected] | ||||
| AndyKoom | posted on 03-11-2001 @ 4:55 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01 | onedisturbing part is that this standard is not given out to everyone who commits murder. this kid knew wtf he was doing. and non of that crying on tv shit. how much crying do you think that helpless girl did while she was being pummeled. andd this crap can't be blamed on wrestling that's bullshit, the kid is solely accountable  | ||||
| bluetarp | posted on 03-11-2001 @ 5:05 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | In Florida, the min sentance for 1rst degree murder is life, without parole. The little shit was convicted of 1rst degree murder. If they don't like the law, change it. Personally, I think it is a sad statement about parenting. If this little shit was worth his weight in fromunda cheese, his actions would have been different. Unfortunately, I question whether someone who has been brought up with so little regard for life, can ever actually unlearn it. If he can, there is always commuting the sentance, but it would take an awfull lot to convince me a change has been made for the better.  | ||||
| Romeo Manson | posted on 03-11-2001 @ 7:14 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Sep. 00 | The punishment is way too severe. If you don't think Fla. is a fucked up state, by now, remember what they did to the election. "Fuck High School, Pissed on My Diploma"--Kid Rock | ||||
| Mr. Brownstone | posted on 03-11-2001 @ 7:26 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | Give the fucked up twat of a worthless mother the life sentance and put the kid into intense psychological rehab untilhe's 18, that seams the fairest way to me. BTW Jeb Bush loves his law and order image to much to ever commute a sentance. | ||||
| PatCooper | posted on 03-11-2001 @ 10:36 AM | | |||
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| knock411 | posted on 03-11-2001 @ 10:44 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00 | Wow Guys aloto of good points this is why I said it was hard for me to stnad on either side. One thing I do know is that there was a loss of life. One mother lost her daughter forever and nothing anyone can do will bring her back. The Tate maother still has her child, thats three peoples lives that are shot for good. not to mention those close to these people. This world has gotten outrageous,and people have to learn that their kids need to be controlled. When my kids act up They get smacked, I dont play these Timeout bullshit tactics. Now I don't beat the holy hell out of them but they get a smack for what they did wrong. This is what kids need they need Guidance and structure. they need to be told right from wrong. Explain to your kids what death is what its about what happens when people die and what happens to the people who kill them. Around the age of 11 kids should be taught this. In school and at home. In this country we base to much o age oh your to young for this your to young for that. Please in Indian cultures and tribes kids are Men at 14. They start having children of their own.  | ||||
| 1st Sgt. Fil Stand up straight Stomach in Shoulders back SOUND OFF!!! | posted on 03-11-2001 @ 10:52 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00 | I can't make any judgements until I read the story for myself. What makes you look over here? What are you, queer?  | ||||
| FeelMyFunBags | posted on 03-11-2001 @ 1:12 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | What blows my mind now is the fact that in reality it looks like this kids mother put him in jail for the rest of his life, not the court system. Did she realistically think that he would walk away free as a bird without having to take any responsibility for his actions? The more I keep on reading about this case, the more confused I get about how I feel. One part of me feels that he should rot in jail for the rest of his life, because I am sure that she did at one point say "Stop, you are hurting me." But then there is another part of me who sees him as a 12 year old child who needed someone there to teach him right from wrong. Where was his mother t tell him that wrestling is dangerous and that these people are professionals? I know that when I was younger my parents always made sure that I knew the difference between fiction and reality. Now his only chance of eventual freedom lies in the hands of Jeb Bush, and to be frank the outlook does not look good. You have to feel bad for this kid in a way, but then there is a part of me happy to know that this kid will never walk the streets and be a risk to the children I one day hope to have. | ||||
| Kim | posted on 03-11-2001 @ 1:51 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | I can't believe that one badly executed wrestling move could cause all of those injuries...I still think there is more to the story then what is being told...that poor little girl suffered more than 30 injuries, including a lacerated liver and a skull fracture...what the fuck is wrong with some parents! | ||||
| PatCooper | posted on 03-11-2001 @ 3:44 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | The boy was babysitting the girl from what i understand.So i would think that the parents of the girl were'nt home.And the whole wrestling defense is a bunch of crap.The kids lawyers thought it up.Remember lawyers worse than AIDS | ||||
| adolescentmasturbator | posted on 03-11-2001 @ 3:50 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | No i think its ebola. LIKE SCHOOL IN SUMMERTIME | ||||
| The Painter 1/2 a bottle of Jack Daniels... it's a cure-all | posted on 03-12-2001 @ 7:51 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00 | Last night I saw the 2 lawyers involved in this case on TV. The kid's lawyer is an idiot. The DA offered a plea bargain. 3 years in jail, 10 years probation. The kid's lawyer should have told him to take it. | ||||
| Cap'n Fudge | posted on 03-12-2001 @ 8:48 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | I'm no doctor, but I'm pretty sure that the bones of a 6 year old are more flexible than the bones of an adult. That said, it would take more effort to fracture and break the bones of a 6 year old than an adult. Most breaks in kids are called "green tree fractures" when the bones bend like a pine tree branch rather than break. If the 12 year old boy managed to cause that much damage to the 6 year old girl, he was pounding her with no mercy, and definitely not a play act. Ventriliquist Detective [email protected] | ||||
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