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spitfire421
posted on 07-20-2001 @ 10:17 AM      
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lol, sir o...Although your argument is valid, I just want to interject that cocaine and opium also come from plants...but everything is better ON WEED lmao

And unicron, look at my responses in the reading thread to answer your ?


Hey, will the world turn upon me
Will the soul survive ultimately
Oh, will peace ever be found
When I drag my feet on hallowed ground

I don't wanna know
what the future will hold
I don't wanna pray
cause I'm lost anyway

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WoundedAngel
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posted on 07-20-2001 @ 10:53 AM      
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quote:

I feel that anyone who blames their problems on marijuana, or thinks marijuana fucked them up, is using it as a scapegoat for something greater.


I have physical effects from using marijuana (eg. the way I talk). They are hard to be blamed for anything else, and I have been to several doctors about this. Do you know why stoners speak like "What's.....up.....maaaan?". There is a purely scientifical reason behind it all, that cannot be blamed on anything else.


Unicron
posted on 07-20-2001 @ 11:04 AM      
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Registered: Mar. 01
Oko....listen, buddy, pal, one day, when you are 50 and can't remember snot and are drooling in a wheelchair becuase everything was better ON WEED, you'll look back (or try to, the pot will fuck up your memory as well) and wonder if it was worth it. Now i'm not one to say you can't smoke it, hell, you wanna do that shit, go ahead, i feel the same about alcoholics and people addicted to ciggerets. Pot is as additctive as anything else, but it is your choice. Just don't expect it to be legal anytime soon.

Hey, i sure can kill a good buzz, can't i?

I DON"T NEED DRUGS TO MAKE ME FEEL HIGH, GUTTING PEOPLE DOES THAT FOR ME!

Harpua
posted on 07-20-2001 @ 11:37 AM      
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Registered: Sep. 00
My newest and best investment, 2 person cascade glass hookah.
This isn't a pick but very similar





Sir Okonkwo
posted on 07-20-2001 @ 11:59 AM      
Psychopath
Registered: Jun. 01
::not trying to get into an argument here::

WA: I've done extensive research on the topic, I am a member of NORML, I've been arrested for it, because it is something I believe in. I will just say that your arguments are unfounded, but nothing said here is going to change anyone's opinion. And I am actually quite eloquent when I speak, nothing like Chong.

Unicron: See above. I guess my little Jon Stewart reference went over your head. Sorry. But when I'm 50 years old, drooling in a wheelchair, you'll be the first person I call.:)

If anyone's interested in a good book, may I suggest "The Emperor Wears No Clothes" by Jack Herer. Riveting, I tell you.

Staying on topic: Anyone ever use a vaporizer? I hear it's the best way to go, but $75 is a bit much to spend on paraphenalia, if you ask me...

Lgaia
posted on 07-20-2001 @ 5:53 PM      
Psychopath
Registered: Oct. 00
Sir Oko...what is this "vaporizer" you speak of? I would like more info ...please? Thanks :)


WoundedAngel
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posted on 07-20-2001 @ 5:57 PM      
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Registered: Jan. 01
quote:

WA: I've done extensive research on the topic...I will just say that your arguments are unfounded, but nothing said here is going to change anyone's opinion...


I have also done my part of research on this subject. Even so, all that research does not compare to the fact that I am living it...and so is everyone I used to smoke with. Like Unicron (you rock, by the way!), I am not knocking it. Go for it. Just don't act like there's no risk involved. There is a severe psychological and physical risk involved that is usually bushed away and not mentioned. Smoke 2 times a day for a year then come back and tell me you are completely unchanged. I will easily call your bluff.


Sir Okonkwo
posted on 07-20-2001 @ 7:27 PM      
Psychopath
Registered: Jun. 01
quote:

Sir Oko...what is this "vaporizer" you speak of? I would like more info ...please? Thanks


Certainly Lgaia. Live to serve.

quote:

How does the Vaporizer work?


The vaporizer works by heating your substances to the exact temperature the *active* chemicals such as THC (tetrahydrocannabinol) and the cannabinoids like CBN will actually vaporize into a "thin mist".

This "mist" is the vaporized, active chemicals which are then captured in a small glass chamber ready to be inhaled via the tube whenever you want to.

Our vaporizer is really easy to use; just place some herb onto the small dish and flick your vaporizer "on". You will see a small red light come on. Wait a little while for it to begin vaporizing. Once you can see the "mist" swirling around in the glass dome you can begin to inhale the vapour. Use the tube supplied and experience a new and pure herbal buzz.


For more information, visit www.marijuanavaporizer.com. They have a model available for $112, but I've seen it for as low as $75 in local head shops. Still quite a price for paraphenalia, but possibly well worth it...

quote:

Think for yourself
Question authority


Throughout human history, as our species has faced the frightening, terrorizing fact that we do not know who we are, or where we are going in this ocean of chaos, it has been the authorities, the political, the religious, the educational authorities who attempted to comfort us by giving us order, rules, regulations, informing, forming in our minds their view of reality. To think for yourself you must question authority and learn how to put yourself in a state of vulnerable, open-mindedness; chaotic, confused, vulnerability to inform yourself.

Think for yourself.
Question authority.

-Timothy Leary



IkeaBoy
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posted on 07-20-2001 @ 7:54 PM      
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Has anyone heard that pot has 200 times the amount of cancer causing materials in it than cigarettes? I've heard it like twice from (obviously) anti-pot people but does anyone know if it's true, I don't think so. Also I think pot is safer for you and society than cigarettes and alcohol.

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Lgaia
posted on 07-20-2001 @ 8:18 PM      
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Registered: Oct. 00
Why thank you Sir Oko...I will take a toke for you tonight. Shit...Now I know what my next purchase will be;)



Sir Okonkwo
posted on 07-20-2001 @ 8:26 PM      
Psychopath
Registered: Jun. 01
IkeaBoy, you asked for it, you got it. The short answer is "no, it doesn't." But who really wants short answers??

WARNING: Lots o' words!!

quote:

Isn't smoking marijuana worse for you than smoking cigarettes?

There are many reasons why it is not. You may have heard that ``one joint is equal to ten cigarrettes'' but this is exagerrated and misleading. Marijuana does contain more tar than tobacco -- but low tar cigarettes cause just as much cancer, so what is that supposed to mean? Scientists have shown that smoking any plant is bad for your lungs, because it increases the number of `lesions' in your small airways. This usually does not threaten your life, but there is a chance it will lead to infections. Marijuana users who are worried about this can find less harmful ways of taking marijuana like eating or vaporizing. (Be careful -- marijuana is safe to eat -- but tobacco is not, you might overdose!) Marijuana does not seem to cause cancer the way tobacco does, though.

Here is a list of interesting facts about marijuana smoking and tobacco smoking:

o Marijuana smokers generally don't chain smoke, and so they smoke less. (Marijuana is not physically addictive like tobacco.) The more potent marijuana is, the less a smoker will use at a time.

o Tobacco contains nicotine, and marijuana doesn't. Nicotine may harden the arteries and may be responsible for much of the heart disease caused by tobacco. New research has found that it may also cause a lot of the cancer in tobacco smokers and people who live or work where tobacco is smoked. This is because it breaks down into a cancer causing chemical called `N Nitrosamine' when it is burned (and maybe even while it is inside the body as well.)

o Marijuana contains THC. THC is a bronchial dilator, which means it works like a cough drop and opens up your lungs, which aids clearance of smoke and dirt. Nicotine does just the opposite; it makes your lungs bunch up and makes it harder to cough anything up.

o There are benefits from marijuana (besides bronchial dilation) that you don't get from tobacco. Mainly, marijuana makes you relax, which improves your health and well-being.

o Scientists do not really know what it is that causes malignant lung cancer in tobacco. Many think it may be a substance known as Lead 210. Of course, there are many other theories as to what does cause cancer, but if this is true, it is easy to see why NO CASE OF LUNG CANCER RESULTING FROM MARIJUANA USE ALONE HAS EVER BEEN DOCUMENTED, because tobacco contains much more of this substance than marijuana.

o Marijuana laws make it harder to use marijuana without damaging your body. Water-pipes are illegal in many states. Filtered cigarettes, vaporizers, and inhalers have to be mass produced, which is hard to arrange `underground.' People don't eat marijuana often because you need more to get as high that way, and it isn't cheap or easy to get (which is the reason why some people will stoop to smoking leaves.) This may sound funny to you -- but the more legal marijuana gets, the safer it is.

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It is pretty obvious to users that marijuana prohibition laws are not ``for their own good.'' In addition to the above, legal marijuana would be clean and free from adulturants. Some people add other drugs to marijuana before they sell it. Some people spray room freshener on it or soak in in chemicals like formaldehyde! A lot of the marijuana is grown outdoors, where it may be sprayed with pesticides or contaminated with dangerous fungi. If the government really cared about our health, they would form an agency which would make sure only quality marijuana was sold. This would be cheaper than keeping it illegal, and it would keep people from getting hurt and going to the emergency room.


References:

(more tar in smoked marijuana, but claims exaggerated)


``Pulmonary Hazards of Smoking Marijuana as Compared with Tobacco'' by Tzu Chin Wu, Donald P. Tashkin , Behnam Djahed , Jed E. Rose in ``New England Journal of Medicine'' Vol. 318 Iss. 6 pp. 347-351. pub., 1988.


(low-tar cigarettes just as carcinogenic)


``The Association of Lung Cancer with Tar Content of Cigarettes'' by Franz P. Reichsman pub., 1980. (Thesis)


(lung damage from smoking)


``Marijuana Exposure and Pulmonary Alterations in Primates'' by Suzanne E. G. Fligiel, Ted F. Beals, Donald P. Tashkin, Merle G. Paule, Andrew C. Scallet, Syed F. Ali, John R. Bailey, William Slikker Jr. in ``Pharmacology, Biochemistry & Behavior'' Vol. 40 Iss. 3 pp. 637-642. ed. pub., 1991.


``Chronic Marijuana Smoke Alters Alveolar Macrophage Morphology and Protein Expression'' by Guy A. Cabral, Amy L. Stinnet, John Bailey, Syed F. Ali, Merle G. Paul, Andrew C. Scallet, William Slikker Jr. in ``Physiology, Biochemistry and Behavior'' Vol. 40 pp. 643-649. ed. pub., 1991.


(Lead 210 and N Nitrosamines in tobacco)


Joseph DiFranza in NEJM Vol. 306 Iss. 6 pub. February, 1982. and responses in Vol. 307 Iss. 5 pub. July, 1982.



This information is from alt.hemp CANNABIS/MARIJUANA FAQ

Sorry about all the words.:):):)

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posted on 07-20-2001 @ 9:15 PM      
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Registered: Feb. 01
Excuse me? Not addictive? I've heard otherwise,... ah whatever. No one is gonna convince ANYONE that the other side is right. Unicron,... I have new-found respect for you.



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Sir Okonkwo
posted on 07-20-2001 @ 9:45 PM      
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Registered: Jun. 01
::gonna be brief this time::

There's two different types of addiction, mental and physical. There's no denying that marijuana can be mentally addictive. So can any number of things, from the internet to fast food. Once the mind builds a strong connection to anything, it is difficult to let go.

Physical addiction is completely different. It is determined by the stimulation of dopamine in the blood stream. Legal drugs such as alcohol, caffeine, and nicotine, stimulate the brain to produce higher levels of dopamine, which is why, when deprived of these substances, the body goes into withdrawal. Hard drugs have the same effect, but obviously at a much higher level. Cannabis has absoutely zero effect on the production of dopamine, and thus, is clinically not physically addictive.

Debate is not necessarily about convincing the other side you are right, it is simply about showing an alternate perspective.

jewdown
posted on 07-20-2001 @ 9:53 PM      
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Registered: Jan. 01
quote:

Smoke 2 times a day for a year then come back and tell me you are completely unchanged.

It's called being BURNT! (or "spent", as my friends would say)

I used to smoke 4 to 5 times a day (maybe more) for about 6 years.
And it was all high quality shit.
Hell yeah, I was fucked up.
But what the hell do you expect!?!
Because of my present job, for which I am drug tested, I now smoke 2 or three times a month. (if that)
I am capable of maintaining a professional career.
There is nothing wrong with my psychological state, or speech paterns.
Weed is the least harmful "drug" in existence. Alchohol kills more brain cells, and rots your liver.
Weed has even been proven to kill certain cancer cells.

Sir Oko....
um, Dark Knight, You are my hero!
Keep fighting the battle.
There are many of use who wish we could fight
along with you.


Drink up and go Home!

This message was edited by jewdown on 7-20-01 @ 10:01 PM
WoundedAngel
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posted on 07-21-2001 @ 1:26 AM      
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Registered: Jan. 01
quote:

Cannabis has absoutely zero effect on the production of dopamine, and thus, is clinically not physically addictive.


Actually, in recent studies, there has been debate on this. Researches are finding more and more evidence that marijuana is physically addictive. I quote from "The New Scientist"...

quote:


At Columbia University in New York, addiction epidemiologist Denise Kandel has been taking a different tack. She has been analysing data collected every year in the US National Household Survey on Drug Abuse. And she concludes that subtle symptoms of dependence are more widespread among teenage users than previously thought.

About 15 per cent of teenagers who smoke marijuana report three or more "symptoms" of dependence from a list of six possible symptoms. They range from "feeling dependent" or being unable to cut down on consumption to using ever larger amounts of cannabis to get the same effect. Applying these same measures to alcohol, it turns out that marijuana is just as addictive as alcohol for adults and even more so for teenagers (see below). That shocks most marijuana users, but not Kandel, who believes kids may be unusually "sensitive" to marijuana for biological as well as social reasons. The way she sees it, the reason we have so many alcoholics is simply that there are so many people drinking.


And Ikea-Boy, the amount of tar and carcinogens in three to four joints is equal to one pack of smokes.


kingdoc
posted on 07-21-2001 @ 2:20 AM      
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Registered: Jan. 01
you people spend 100's of dollars on shit just to smoke with, 1000's of dollars on weed over a life time, then spend the rest of the day whining about how there are people in the world who need our help... DUH. stop smoking weed and give that money to a needie family. I bet you will never be able to do it, god I hate hippies!

any person who is so fucking weak as to need to smoke something to feel better/relax/ be happy should be draged into the streets and shot in front of there children.



I'm a person just like you
But I've got better things to do
Than sit around and fuck my head
Hang out with the living dead
Snort white shit up my nose
Pass out at the shows
I don't even think about speed
That's something I just don't need

I've got the straight edge

I'm a person just like you
But I've got better things to do
Than sit around and smoke dope
'Cause I know I can cope
Laugh at the thought of eating ludes
Laugh at the thought of sniffing glue
Always gonna keep in touch
Never want to use a crutch

I've got the straight edge



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IkeaBoy
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I will die a traitor's death
posted on 07-21-2001 @ 2:27 AM      
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quote:

any person who is so fucking weak as to need to smoke something to feel better/relax/ be happy should be draged into the streets and shot in front of there children.
Dude...buzzkill. What's wrong with doign something to cause us to enjoy life more? Is smoking weed worse than taking Prozac or another drug to "relax?" We're spending our money to do something we like. Others spend it on music, movies, coke, etc. It's just I don't think there's anything wrong with it.

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adolescentmasturbator
posted on 07-21-2001 @ 2:30 AM      
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It's obvious marijuana is not dangerous at all. I'd find myself hardly doing much of it. Plus if used excessively it may cause low sperm count and possibly impotence. Now this is if you smoke a lot of weed. So if i were Jewdown I would go see a doctor. But that's the worst it can do.

All drugs should be legalized because this cannot be a truly free society till they are. I would never shoot heroin but there would be an advantage to legalizing it and all drugs. Less deaths due to regulation is always good. Prisons would hold real criminals not some dumb heroin junkie. It would also help eliminate street dealers thus helping out the situation in Colombia a lot since the trade would not be as lucrative.

BTW alchohol is a drug it affects your mood and your brain.



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Sir Okonkwo
posted on 07-21-2001 @ 3:10 AM      
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Registered: Jun. 01
::trying to get to everyone here::

Lgaia: If you do get the vaporizer, let me know how it is!!

jewdown: I am nobody's hero.:) But thank's for your support.

WA: Thank you for backing up your arguments with some facts. I have not seen that study, but I will look into it. Previously, I was aware of studies that marijuana could contribute to amotivational syndrome in teenagers, as this information has been out for a while. And I would not condone marijuana usage among teenagers. But I will still hold firm that marijuana is far less addictive and dangerous than alcohol, in both adults and minors, until further proof is provided.

kingdoc: First of all, I am not a hippie. My plans do not involve handing over money I earn to a needy family, no matter what. I'm glad you're straight edge, though, more power to you. But if you feel the need to attack others for what makes them happy, I wonder how happy you yourself are.

AM: Simply, I agree 100% with everything you said there.

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posted on 07-21-2001 @ 4:13 AM      
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quote:

there was always a soda can.


You have your fancy shmancy pips and bongs... I remember smoking from a Snapple Peach Iced Tea can during school in the woods across from the parking lot.

Ugh, I sound old.


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kingdoc
posted on 07-21-2001 @ 10:25 AM      
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Registered: Jan. 01
quote:

But if you feel the need to attack others for what makes them happy, I wonder how happy you yourself are.


it is about choice.. I never said "dont do it" And I never even said it was bad! I just think that if your life is so fucking worthless that you have to smoke up to feel somthing positave, your life is not worth living.

yea, im happy, truly happy. not stimulated to feel.

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IkeaBoy
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posted on 07-21-2001 @ 11:21 AM      
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But you're saying/implying that people who smoke are so depressed that the only thing they have to make them feel good is smoking, not true. Some people might, but not all of them.

And KD I don't know what you do but I bet you either do alcohol or do coffee or something like that all of which are drugs and stimulate you. MArijuana is no difference except that it might be better for you than alcohol.

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WoundedAngel
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posted on 07-21-2001 @ 3:18 PM      
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Registered: Jan. 01
quote:

It's obvious marijuana is not dangerous at all.


Where do you get that information? Or was that (hopefully), a typo?

According to the material I have, which was revieved from an "Outreach" program, that I voluteered for, there's a lot wrong with pot and there is no reason why it should be glorified and made to seem as if it was as innocent as caffeine.

"Marijuana tars contain 50% more carcinogens than high-tar tobacco" and it has been known to cause lung cancer. As for the immune system, "...some researchers are worried about another aspect of marijuana smoke - its ability to interfere with immune cells that help to fight off lung infections. Tashkin's team has just discovered that immune cells isolated from the lungs of marijuana users are unusually bad at killing bacteria, 35 per cent worse, in fact, than similar cells taken from cigarette smokers. The marijuana-exposed cells were also below par at producing molecules needed to mount inflammatory responses." (Tashkin 99)


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posted on 07-21-2001 @ 7:08 PM      
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Personally I would never take drugs, even offered to me. But totally support one's use of them. Why it's totally up to you if you want to toke up or not. In my first year of college I expected a lot of people to smoke up, but I never expected almost EVERYONE to do so.

I also find any one high very entertaining. I was at a party and there were a bunch of guys and a few young girls taking massive hits off a red 12 foot bong! The shit they were saying just didn't make any sense, and they just didn't seem to give a fuck. I wish I had my camera with me. :(

The Pokemon movie I don't think you even need to be stoned to see, no wait you don't even need a brain to see it.

I also find Cheech and Chong flicks and HalfBaked to be very fucking funny.




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adolescentmasturbator
posted on 07-21-2001 @ 7:45 PM      
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There is no concrete evidence that marijuana use causes cancer but there is much concrete evidence that alchohol and cigs do cause cancer.
Early drug laws were made at a time when we knew absolutely nothing about drugs. They even considered putting caffeine on the list of controlled substances. Eventually in the 60s with the schdedule system it was just as bad. Isn't it interesting that the government considers Marijuana worse than Morphine. There are obvious political reasons of creating Marijuana as a big threat.



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