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| Posted By | Discussion Topic: Yankees are a bunch of bitches .... | ||||
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| JohnSlack
| posted on 06-13-2002 @ 7:14 PM |    | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 01  | quote: thats because ITS A LEGITIMATE PLACE TO PITCH- there is a difference between high and tight and HITTING SOMEONE! the mets are talking about HITTING A PITCHER. A NO-NO. If they think its over and done with if they hit him, they are sorely mistaken. Giambi said that the yankees aren't going to let something happen to clemens and do nothing - like the mets did.  "Philly: It's Camden - with a bell." - Jim Norton | ||||
| PeterDragon | posted on 06-13-2002 @ 7:58 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | quote: Tell that to Johnny Roseboro. There have also been many other instances when players have waited until spring training to get what they consider revenge. If Clemens didn't duck out of last year's start it would have ended then. If Clemens at least had the decency to take some responsibility for not only pitching inside but towards his head, it would have been over. No remorse leads to long memories. You talk about baseball Protocol - well baseball protocol does not accept head hunting; brushbacks are/should be expected, but when you hit someone in the helmet you are way over the limit. Since when did you become the expert. The DH has changed a lot of this. In the league where they play REAL baseball, Pitchers DO occasionally take the hit. (Yes sometimes the stars do also, but there is no one way). I would have loved to hear what you said when Clemens hit Jeter. What do you base your "opinion" that hitting a pitcher is a no-no? Here is a nice Torre quote: "I said yesterday Roger Clemens gets away with things that get other people thrown out of games," New York manager Joe Torre said. "This is a perfect example of that."Torre quote on Clemens after hitting Brosius and Yes, Pedro is just as guilty.  2002 Crack Committee Objectives: (modified version)(You gotta try and believe....) 1.Hate the Braves with PASSION and extreme prejudice 1a. Try and go a week without having to punch a wall in frustration after watching the Mets play 2. 90 Wins and somehow get the Mets into playoffs this year 3. All 5 Starters have winning records this year 3a.Have team understand it is OK to get a hit with runners on base. 4. Mets win World Series (after divine intervention) This message was edited by PeterDragon on 6-13-02 @ 8:14 PM | ||||
| JohnSlack
| posted on 06-13-2002 @ 11:11 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 01 | quote: Before anyone suggests the designated hitter rule has created built-in protection for pitchers throwing at hitters, here are some facts worth considering: Last year, there were 368 hit batsmen in the National League — and 322 in the American. Of those 368 hit batters in the NL, only two were pitchers. I do you one better - When Roger hit bernie in the head - I didn't like it one bit, but it was over once the game was over. Once again, the mets use some side issue to hide their awful play. "Philly: It's Camden - with a bell." - Jim Norton | ||||
| slap nut | posted on 06-14-2002 @ 2:16 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jan. 01 | I was at the game last Sunday. 1st Bonds's first walk was an earned walk, Clemens wasn't trying to walk him, he wasn't going to give him a fat pitch, but it was a full count. When Bonds was hit it was an 0-1 pitch, the pitch was 3 inches off the plate. When he was walked intentionally the first time, their was a runner on 2nd & 1 out, it set up a double play His last ab was from Karsay the count went 3-1 before he was walked. Good idea to through a 3-1 pitch to Bonds when he can tie up the game. Thats the way to lose the tgame. If the Giants had someone that can hit other than Bonds he wouldn't walk so many times. Its not being a pussy by pitching around him when the team has no one else in the lineup, its called being smart. | ||||
| Istink | posted on 06-14-2002 @ 8:10 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jan. 02 | You must have gotten up out of your seat because he was walked 4 times .... plus getting HBP ... I can understand to set up a DP but they intentionally walked the man 3 times in one game ... and the yankee crowd booed like the game was in SF The Curse shall be lifted .... If there isn't a strike!! | ||||
| PeterDragon | posted on 06-14-2002 @ 3:22 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | JohnSlack, self proclaimed baseball expert:quote: Joe Morgan, Hall of Fame baseball player: quote: Dusty Baker, 19 year major leaguer and curent manager of Giants quote: Don't let facts get in the way of your argument. 2002 Crack Committee Objectives: (modified version)(You gotta try and believe....) 1.Hate the Braves with PASSION and extreme prejudice 1a. Try and go a week without having to punch a wall in frustration after watching the Mets play 2. 90 Wins and somehow get the Mets into playoffs this year 3. All 5 Starters have winning records this year 3a.Have team understand it is OK to get a hit with runners on base. 4. Mets win World Series (after divine intervention) | ||||
| darthbrokaw | posted on 06-14-2002 @ 3:35 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 01 | Here's a good one. Derek Jeter has more World Series rings than the Muts and Red Sux do COMBINED!!! :-D | ||||
| PeterDragon | posted on 06-14-2002 @ 3:41 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | quote: And this is relevant how? Discussion was SUPPOSED to be about Yankees not pitching to Bonds. Defend that if you will. Argue against it if you will. For the 1,000,000,000,000,000 time, it is not about the Mets or Red Sox. Get Over It. 2002 Crack Committee Objectives: (modified version)(You gotta try and believe....) 1.Hate the Braves with PASSION and extreme prejudice 1a. Try and go a week without having to punch a wall in frustration after watching the Mets play 2. 90 Wins and somehow get the Mets into playoffs this year 3. All 5 Starters have winning records this year 3a.Have team understand it is OK to get a hit with runners on base. 4. Mets win World Series (after divine intervention) | ||||
| darthbrokaw | posted on 06-14-2002 @ 4:00 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 01 | quote: Sorry, you are right. If the Yankees pitched to Barry Bonds, Derek Jeter would still have more World Series rings than the Muts, Red Sux and Barry Bonds, COMBINED!!! :-D | ||||
| JohnSlack
| posted on 06-14-2002 @ 4:39 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 01 | AND HOW MANY CAREER ABs DID DRYSDALE AND GIBSON HAVE? Thats what I fucking thought. They each hit hundreds of guys and got plunked what? 5 times? 8 times? and who knows how many of them were retalitory? Dusty Baker is a chickenshit pussy who can't manage in the postseason to save his life. I'd like to see what HE would do if he was managing against a one-man lineup like bonds. Just because those two fucking dolts express their opinion, that doesn't make it fact. quote: I gave you facts. out of almost 400 HBP in the national league last year 2 were pitchers. THAT IS A FACT. To further debunk the myth that the DH rule is something that pitchers hide behind, here are the stats for HBP for the years 1997-2001 Note the amount of pithers that are in or were in the NL CAREER 1997-2001 HIT BY PITCHES HBP T1 Chan Ho Park 65 T1 Pedro Astacio 65 3 Jamey Wright 64 4 Rolando Arrojo 61 T5 Tim Wakefield 57 T5 Randy Johnson 57 7 Aaron Sele 52 8 David Cone 49 T9 Al Leiter 47 T9 Darryl Kile 47 T11 Jeff Weaver 46 T11 Kenny Rogers 46 T11 Pedro Martinez 46 T11 Orel Hershiser 46 15 Omar Olivares 44 16 Roger Clemens 43 T17 Kevin Brown 42 T17 Brian Bohanon 42 T17 Dave Mlicki 42 T17 Darren Oliver 42 THOSE ARE FACTS. not joe morgan that dumb fuck. To show how fucking idiotic that yankee hater is (he hates the yankees so bad because they are better then his big red machine) listen to this quote from the begining of the season. "I really think the mariners are the best team in the AL right now. They added sierra and cirillo. The yankees have lost tino, paul, and scott and really improved at all." What a dumb fuck. | ||||
| Francine Banger | posted on 06-14-2002 @ 4:44 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | quote: Derek Jeter World Series Rings: 4 (1996,1998,1999,2000) Mets and Red Sox combined World Series Rings: 7 (1903,1912,1915,1916,1918,1969,1986) To repeat a phrase mentioned by PD earlier in this thread. Don't let facts get in the way of your argument. Deek.  | ||||
| darthbrokaw | posted on 06-14-2002 @ 4:51 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 01 | quote: Sorry I guess I left out IN THE LAST 80 FUCKING YEARS!! And he only doubled the Muts total Series wins in the last 6 years...not bad!! :-D | ||||
| slap nut | posted on 06-14-2002 @ 6:10 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jan. 01 | quote: I didn't mention the 2nd intentioal walk because I don't remember how it happened (the situation). It was really 2 intentioal walks not 3, the last walk he was put on by Karsay after the count went to 3-1. Not a ggood idea to pitch to Bonds on a 3-1 pitch in the 9h when he is the tying run. Yeah I would have loved to see Bonds bat and make the last out, but if it means winning the game I don't care how many times they put him on. | ||||
| JohnSlack
| posted on 06-14-2002 @ 6:16 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 01 | quote: exactly. Its all about winning games, not creating "moments" to sell tickets. "Philly: It's Camden - with a bell." - Jim Norton | ||||
| Francine Banger | posted on 06-14-2002 @ 6:55 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | quote: I dont know maybe only 2 pitchers had HBP's because when a pitcher is at the plate, the pitcher on the mound isnt exactly stressing himself to pitch inside to get the guy out? quote: This could apply to just about every team in baseball, not every team is so fortunate enough to win it every year | ||||
| Istink | posted on 06-14-2002 @ 8:44 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jan. 02 | quote: If it's not about selling tickets then how would the players get fucking paid .... Winning games also sells tickets but .... what it comes down to is the fact that the yankees had one of the best pitchers in baseball on the mound and they didn't have enough confidence in him to get the guy out whether he is the hottest hitter in baseball or not .... like I said maybe once walking him but pitching around him all five times he come to the plate .... come on, the yankees are pussies .... The Curse shall be lifted .... If there isn't a strike!! | ||||
| JohnSlack
| posted on 06-15-2002 @ 12:02 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 01 | quote: That's one reason. The other is, pitcher's don't get thrown at for plunking other guys. If pitchers got plunked for hitting guys it would have been like 100 out of 400. quote: Why pitch to him? what does that prove? nothing. Winning games is the answer. Dusty Baker and the other managers would all do the same thing against bonds. his SLG% is almost 1000% - if it crosses that, he average more then one base per AT BAT - thats an automatic walk. "Philly: It's Camden - with a bell." - Jim Norton | ||||
| Istink | posted on 06-15-2002 @ 7:08 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jan. 02 | quote: The only reason pitchers don't get thrown at is because throughout the history of baseball pitchers are obviously the weakest hitters in the game .... So, they will take the automatic out and hit the next guy because he is more likely to rip a base hit anyway .... and there isn't a single team that has pitched around bonds like the pussy yankees did every time he came to the plate .... The Curse shall be lifted .... If there isn't a strike!! | ||||
| JohnSlack
| posted on 06-15-2002 @ 10:04 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 01 | quote: Thats bullshit. Where do you think he gets all his walks? the beach? If they want bonds to be pitched to- get someone else hitting behind him other then benito santiago. walking bonds is winning baseball. This is the type of shit you expect from mets fans - try worrying about winning or losing instead of clemens or bonds, and you might be above .500 "Philly: It's Camden - with a bell." - Jim Norton | ||||
| Francine Banger | posted on 06-15-2002 @ 10:06 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | quote: Wow! What great reasoning. I wish I came up with something like that earlier. quote: Yeah thats right, thats why the Mets are under .500, because they are worried about Clemens and Bonds. It has nothing to do with their putrid excuse for an offense. This message was edited by Francine Banger on 6-15-02 @ 10:10 AM | ||||
| Istink | posted on 06-15-2002 @ 10:32 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jan. 02 | quote: I just thought maybe I had to explain it in a more childish manner to some dipshit who doesn't understand baseball The Curse shall be lifted .... If there isn't a strike!! | ||||
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