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| Posted By | Discussion Topic: If you could come back as anyone throughout history, who would it be? | ||||
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| GonzoStyle | posted on 06-08-2001 @ 3:51 AM |    | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70  | quote: You wanna know something funny, it wasn't hitlers idea to actually "exterminate" the jews. it was a close aide to hitlers a general heinrich who came up with the idea. He had many supporters and ofcourse hitler was one of them. Heenrich came up with the idea of shooting them first. But the jews were not the first targets actually it was german citizens. The retarted, homosexuals all people who were deemed threats to the perfect aryan race. Many poles died as well but the shootings took too much time. Around this time in a german lab a mixture of a few chemicals i forget what they were making it was a household product. But accidentally something spilled into something else etc etc and that was the invention of Zyklon B which was a gas substance hence the gassing of jews. Originally the jews were to be gassed in the backs of trucks. But they needed something that would kill off more than a truck load thats when the showers came in. But mainly the killings did not start till very late in the war. The war had been going on since 1938 but official the world war began in 1939 but originally hitler just exiled the jews but no one would take them even America who makes itself look like the worlds savior they turned away the jews. There was a boat carring hundreds of jews that was promised entry to cuba but the cubans took their money and stiffed them when they arived. They then were just a few miles off the coast of florida and the americans knew damn well but wouldn't accept them. But when exile was no longer an answer, and hitler was conquering the countries he had exiled them too, he gained them back. Heinrichs idea was put to use in about 1942 thats when the killings official started and when the ghettos became death camps. So history has credited hitler as the man yet not one signature of his is found on any orders to kill the jews. Heinrich along with goebbeles, eichman (who organized the original meeting) and himmler were the big men. Hitler was just the man in charge. congress may pass out laws but the president always seems to get the credit. HBO did a movie which kinda blew things out of proportion about the meeting that originally took place, hitler was not present. But the meeting is said to have taken place in a car actually with several people not a whole brigade. anyway, lol enough of my fuckin babbling just though someone might be interested.   People say that I'm a bad influence I say the world's already fucked, I'm just addin to it You probably think that I'm a negative person I don't promote violence, I just encourage it Fuck it, you only live once you might as well die now She-Mail Me Here | ||||
| slackjaw The Cunt-Twat is my WORLD! The Great Pumpkin | posted on 06-08-2001 @ 6:16 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | For those that want to come back as Hitler, only to change the evil things he did, you must remember that there would be massive negative repurcussions. There is an old history axiohm, "war is good for the economy". You must remember that pretty much the entire world was in the midst of the Great Depression when Hitler came to power. Germany was in shambles still reeling from the sanctions imposed after World War I. Hitler stepped in and rebuilt Germany. You must remember that Germany is responsible for many of the major technological advances made throughout the 20th century. The Volkswagon came about when Hitler insisted that his scientists build vehicles that could run in a more econmical fashion. This spawned an entire movement in the industry. Rockets were another Hitler comission, eventually leading to missiles, space exploration, sattelites....etc. While Hitler did not invent these things, he did get the ball rolling. Had Hitler not started World War II, the depression may have lasted another 20 years. The U.S. would not have cemented itself as the most powerful nation in the world. Our ties to Japan would never have been established as well as ties to many European nations. To prevent the Holocaust is one thing, but to remove Hitler from history altogether would completely the alter face of the Earth today.  Still one spot open! I am pleased to announce that DevonGetTheTable is the newest addition to the Slackjaw family! Report any transgressions to me. This message was edited by slackjaw on 6-8-01 @ 6:17 AM | ||||
| The Painter 1/2 a bottle of Jack Daniels... it's a cure-all | posted on 06-08-2001 @ 6:35 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00 | quote:Ther's a movie kinda about this; it;s named "Islands in the Stream" with George C. Scott. Good movie This message was edited by The Painter on 6-8-01 @ 6:39 AM | ||||
| o&aswallow | posted on 06-08-2001 @ 8:10 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | The Jews exiled to Cuba sailed aboard the St. Louis. It was a political disaster for Great Britan and the US, and a propaganda gold mine for the Reich. Germany wanted to deport the Jews with no intentions of exterminating them. The Reich actually sanctioned the cruise ship St. Louis to take the Jews to Cuba and charged it's passengers a healthy price to sail them to freedom. They wined and dined the passengers. The Cuban government realizing that they would be inundated with Jews held the ship in harbor for 9 days, prohibiting passengers from disembarking. The ship finaly set sail for the US, but US immigration, followed immigration laws at that time to the letter and did not allow entry. The ship finally set sail for Finland and the Nordic countries agreed to split up the passengers and allowed them to immigrate. Goebells used this as a huge propaganda ploy, stating to the world, "you criticise Germany for it's position on the plight of the Jews, but you fail to assist with a solution. It is not just Germany's problem, nobody else wants the Jews either". Eventually the passengers of the St. Louis ended up back in concentration camps, primarily Auschwitz and met their horrible fate when Germany invaded the Nordic countries. Had Cuba accepted the passengers of the St. Louis, and other countries agreed to accept Jewish refuges, the holocost may have never taken place. I'm not trying to downplay the horrors of the Nazi's actions, just demonstrating how isolated incidents alter history forever.  o&aswallow Recognized His Destiny Early. Too Many Hotties, Not Enough Horny Goat Weed Now accepting foster children applications. Cash only, no checks. Email at [email protected] Currently teaching TwatGunk how to walk. If he stumbles contact me with the gory details. God have mercy on his soul. It at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed. - Curly Howard. | ||||
| GonzoStyle | posted on 06-08-2001 @ 3:04 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | lol thanks OAswallow i was up for like another 3 hours trying to remember the name of the boar. I knew it was st. something i haven't discussed holocaust history in a while.quote: excellent point by slackjaw very true. After world war 1 germany unjustifiably took the entire blame for the war. The treaty of Versailles ordered germany to repay the world 33 billion dollars (note this was 1919 money). Germany was in poverty the great idea was print more marks to repay the debt but the geniuses forgot that would lower the value or the mark to the point people were getting payed by the barrels twice a day. Hitler as i have always said did bring germany back to it's feet. But also remember that America was in the midst of the great depression after the stock market crash of 1929. Franklin Roosevelt was rebuilding the country with his "alphabet soup" programs but it was finally the war that brought us back to our feet. The War Machine is the greatest money maker. So saving the lives of the estimated 50-75 million people who died during the course of the war (25 million russians died alone) ofcourse is a great thing but who knows the historic ramafacations economically? People say that I'm a bad influence I say the world's already fucked, I'm just addin to it You probably think that I'm a negative person I don't promote violence, I just encourage it Fuck it, you only live once you might as well die now She-Mail Me Here | ||||
| o&aswallow | posted on 06-08-2001 @ 3:36 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | No problem Gonzo. Just don't try waking me up the next time your stumped on something in the middle of the night. One more interesting twist to the genocide. When Hitler was presented with the ultimate solution to the Jewish problem (as it was called when discussed amongst the Nazi leadership) Hitler upon approving the action was qouted as saying "to this day, who remembers the Turks extermination of the Armenians". From 1913 - 1915, the predomanently mouslim Turks, sytematicaly exterminated over 1.5 million christian Armenians. To this day the Turkish government and supported as an alie, the US government has never officialy acknowledged that this geonocide took place. It is one of the main reasons that it was so important that the Nazi's geonocide of the Jew's was made so public. The world could never again allow a people to be exterminated. Those today that believe the geonocides of the Armenians and Jews never happened, should be haunted individually by the soul of every person that was made extinct. o&aswallow Recognized His Destiny Early. Too Many Hotties, Not Enough Horny Goat Weed Now accepting foster children applications. Cash only, no checks. Email at [email protected] Currently teaching TwatGunk how to walk. If he stumbles contact me with the gory details. God have mercy on his soul. It at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed. - Curly Howard. | ||||
| slackjaw The Cunt-Twat is my WORLD! The Great Pumpkin | posted on 06-08-2001 @ 6:13 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | quote: Ok, just in case anyone thinks that the death toll of WWII overshadows the economical/ historical ramifications, keep in mind that poeple all over the world were starving. Many of the countries that were involved in the war were on the verge of civil war and or anarchy. Those in power were feeling the crunch, but the lower classes were starving. Had the Germans not given them a common enemy, who knows what chaos may have ensued. The industrial and political changes that came about because of the war can not be overlooked. Think of this.... had WWII not devastated Russia permanently, Stalin may well have gotten ambitious and decided to undertake a mission of conquest himself. As it was, Russia claimed power over many surrounding nations. Had they not been so decimated, we may all be speaking Russian today. No one can say for sure may have taken place, that is the whole point. History makes us what we are today. To change historical is to change all we know, all we are. When one considers the paradox of time travel and the so called "ripple effect" the possibilities are endless. We should not seek to change history, only to learn from it. One of my favorite quotes "Those who can not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." Still one spot open! I am pleased to announce that DevonGetTheTable is the newest addition to the Slackjaw family! Report any transgressions to me. | ||||
| mikeWOW | posted on 06-08-2001 @ 8:53 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00 | jim morrison- hands down! "i hate people that dont get it!" | ||||
| Cluster F | posted on 06-08-2001 @ 8:57 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | I'll change my pick strictly because the god Zeus is not human. So, if I had to choose, I would choose Albert Einstein...be the smartest guy in the world, and make sure that when i was younger, i would change how he looked so that I could bang any woman that I wanted to. Yea i be taking that zoloff, but thaz jus keepin me from killin y'all. I have come here to kick ass and chew bubblegum, and I'm all out of bubblegum. :) | ||||
| o&aswallow | posted on 06-09-2001 @ 8:37 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | Wha what? Einstien was banging everyone? I thoeght the smart guys always got laid? CF, comming back as Einstien would you have still have developed theory of splitting the atom? o&aswallow Recognized His Destiny Early. Too Many Hotties, Not Enough Horny Goat Weed Now accepting foster children applications. Cash only, no checks. Email at [email protected] Currently teaching TwatGunk how to walk. If he stumbles contact me with the gory details. God have mercy on his soul. It at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed. - Curly Howard. | ||||
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| posted on 06-09-2001 @ 11:16 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 01 | If Einstein was banging any woman he wanted, there is NO way he could have still split the atom. And that's beacuse he would hardly have any soul left after all the women he banged sucked a piece of it out of him! ;) little newbie since 5-31-01 | ||||
| Claire | posted on 06-09-2001 @ 4:34 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01 | Swallow, good question on Einstein developing the theory of splitting the atom. If you as Einstein made the conscious decision not to, would it have made any difference, as I believe other scientists were very close to the answer? Then of course, if the Atom Bomb had not been developed, what would the ramifications have been, had we not had the Bomb to force Japan's surrender at the end of WWII? Anyone who has more knowledge of History than me (which should be most of you, based on these posts), please fill me in, as I haven't studied History since College in 1988. My cable co. doesn't carry the History Channel either, which I hear is really good. Gonzo, Slackjaw...I've been enjoying your Hitler/WWII posts. Very informative. Is it still just a theory, or is there any concrete evidence that Hitler was driven mad by Syphilis? Thanks for the good reads.  Graduate from the 'tallica school of newbies Did you ever look at your watch? & then look up-& you have NO IDEA what time it is? "I seem to be experiencing tremendous difficulty with my lifestyle"-Arthur Dent. "Scrape 'em off, Claire"-Bill Murray, "Scrooged" | ||||
| o&aswallow | posted on 06-09-2001 @ 5:24 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | Claire. If my memory serves me correctly, Oppenheimer (first name escapes me at the moment) was the scientist the successfully obtained critical mass and split the atom. The Mannhaton Project as it was called, successfully obtained nucular fission by splitting the atom in experiments at the University of Chicago (the year escapes me also but I want to say the winter of 1944). Until then it was just a theory by Einstien. Oppenheimer (a german national) cunsulted often with Einstien. His desire was to devolp a weapon to defeat Hitler. The Mannhaton Project continued experimenting and developing the atom bomb. Once it was ready for delivery, realizing it's awesome destructive force, Oppenheimer pleaded with Truman to scrap the project, but of course to no avail. The Russians were known to be working on a similar weapon but were years behind. They continued their reasearch and were first to develop the hydrogen bomb. For the record, Oppenheimer and Einstien did their original theoretical atomic weapon work for Germany. Hitler eventually scraped the idea and dedicated resources to build rocket engine and conventional weapons delivery systems. o&aswallow Recognized His Destiny Early. Too Many Hotties, Not Enough Horny Goat Weed Now accepting foster children applications. Cash only, no checks. Email at [email protected] Currently teaching TwatGunk how to walk. If he stumbles contact me with the gory details. God have mercy on his soul. It at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed. - Curly Howard. | ||||
| Kid Afrika | posted on 06-09-2001 @ 5:53 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | I'd be O'shea Jackson. He had a kind of rough up-bringing that led to him being a well rounded man. He made one hell of a mark on the hip hop world while in NWA. He has had an extensive successful career as a solo artist. And now, he's parlayed it all into a pretty impressive acting career.
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| meatballnip | posted on 06-09-2001 @ 8:00 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Nov. 00 | After much thought I came up with ...me! No, that would be a waste of time. Actually, it would be Lewis Burwell "Chesty" Puller. Imagine putting your life on the line that many times for people that you have not known for very long or at all. It is a rare person that has courage and compassion like that. apodted by my crackdaddy, Fez as of 5/17. Damn, this school takes a long time. | ||||
| Claire | posted on 06-09-2001 @ 9:47 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01 | Swallow, thanks for the info :) . I think Oppenheimer's first name was Robert. I remembered his name, and The Manhattan Project, but not specific details as you do. Gotta watch "Fat Man and Little Boy" soon-it's all about this topic, I think. Please, to the Top, viewers, keep this going, it's interesting.... Graduate from the 'tallica school of newbies Did you ever look at your watch? & then look up-& you have NO IDEA what time it is? "I seem to be experiencing tremendous difficulty with my lifestyle"-Arthur Dent. "Scrape 'em off, Claire"-Bill Murray, "Scrooged" | ||||
| GonzoStyle | posted on 06-09-2001 @ 10:14 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | well hitler was paralyzed after an assassanation attempt by one of his generals in 1945 or was it late 44? i forget but he was a sexual deviant so i wouldnt doubt he had syphillis. He enjoyed being urinated onand crapped on but come on like the guy was normal before the syphillis. Hitlers main problem was he thought of himself as a napoleon or alexander he was a petty officer in the army. He was not a military strategist at all and when he took over that was the end of any german victory his invasion of russia cost him any chances of prolonging the war. Oppenheimer thank god defected to the US after the allies took berlin cause if he went with the russians god knows what would have happened. And with oppenheimer all of his fellow scientists followed. Japan would have eventually surrendered but at a higher cost both in lives and money. One thing many people forget is that russian suffered the most casualties in the war on japan after germany surrendered. america used the russians as a buffer a sort of jacket covering them they would go in and fight with americans following in. People say that I'm a bad influence I say the world's already fucked, I'm just addin to it You probably think that I'm a negative person I don't promote violence, I just encourage it Fuck it, you only live once you might as well die now She-Mail Me Here | ||||
| Claire | posted on 06-09-2001 @ 10:38 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01 | Sure-before the Syphilis, Hitler was a terrific guy-he loved his dogs-& hey, how 'bout those trains? They sure did run on time, didn't they?? Anyway, thanks GS for more information. I saw "Conspiracy" on HBO, which I think you mentioned, and found it fascinating and extremely disturbing, completely factual or not. I've read a lot about the actual camps, but less about the higher ranks' decision-making process-probably because so many records were destroyed. I hadn't realized that after Heinrich, the Butcher of Prague's, assassination attempt (the retaliation was the murder of thousands of Czechs), caused wounds which festered and killed him, Eichmann then carried out Heinrich's dream of extermination. He considered it a "matter of honor". I have no answer to that kind of horror. Graduate from the 'tallica school of newbies Did you ever look at your watch? & then look up-& you have NO IDEA what time it is? "I seem to be experiencing tremendous difficulty with my lifestyle"-Arthur Dent. "Scrape 'em off, Claire"-Bill Murray, "Scrooged" | ||||
| FukMeBoobs | posted on 06-11-2001 @ 12:27 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01 | I would come back as none other than Annie Oakley. I mean the chick had it made with her shooting style, and not to mention she was a bad ass babe for an old timer. For seventeen years Annie was the Wild West Show's star attraction with her marvelous shooting feats. At 90 feet Annie could shoot a dime tossed in midair. In one day with a .22 rifle she shot 4,472 of 5,000 glass balls tossed in midair. With the thin edge of a playing card facing her at 90 feet, Annie could hit the card and puncture it with with five or six more shots as it settled to the ground. It was from this that free tickets with holes punched in them came to be called "Annie Oakleys." In a celebrated event while touring in Europe, Wilhelm, Crown Prince of Germany, invited Annie to shoot a cigarette held in his own lips. She accomplished this challenge, as always effortlessly. In this period Annie Oakley was easily recognizable by the numerous shooting medals that adorned her chest.  Thanks to NJPANTHER for the sig pic! Smack dat ass, pull dat hair! FU Drunk Boy | ||||
| FoundryMusicScott | posted on 06-11-2001 @ 9:18 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Aug. 00 | World War Two is overrated. Just kidding. You gentlemen have been most decidedly informative over the past few days, and I thank you for that. 20th century world history was never my strong point, but it gets better as I'm in graduate school. Anyway, just bringing this back up to the top. I'll add another historical figure to the few I've suggested. Lorenzo de Medici. What a life that would be- Renaissance rich man in Venice. "You think about that now."- some guy from a Twilight Zone episode | ||||
| Is Don on the phone? | posted on 06-11-2001 @ 6:47 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jan. 01 | Probably the most interesting topic I've seen here in a long time-props to O&ASwallow for a great idea. After long consideration and several changes, I'm going with Gen. Omar N. Bradley-he was a great leader, and more importantly, a good man. Close second: Ansel Adams. To have such a great eye for natural beauty and the technical skill to capture every tone between pure black and pure white, wow!  AIM:isdononthephone | ||||
| Claire | posted on 06-14-2001 @ 9:38 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01 | I agree-Swallow, this was a great thread to post. Major props to you man. The best I've seen.... Actual intellectual-type-like-stuff on the Board! WOW~ ;) To Don-Ansel Adams is a great choice. To all viewers of this thread-please add your suggestions. This is good shit....keep it going. To the Top. Graduate from the 'tallica school of newbies Did you ever look at your watch? & then look up-& you have NO IDEA what time it is? "I seem to be experiencing tremendous difficulty with my lifestyle"-Arthur Dent. "Scrape 'em off, Claire"-Bill Murray, "Scrooged" | ||||
| WoundedAngel Absolutely spectacular, and 1337 as hell. | posted on 06-15-2001 @ 2:03 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jan. 01 | I would have to say Marilyn Monroe. I believe that she was the most beutiful woman that has ever lived. I am a huge Marilyn fan and have ben told I resemble her a bit,as well. And for your information, Marilyn Monroe was not "plump". She was voluptious, as someone had stated. She had a 23 inch waist. I think that hardly qualifies as fat. And if you're making judgements from watching her full figure in "Some Like It Hot", remember, she was pregnant while filming that movie. Didn't mean to go off here but I love Marilyn. | ||||
| o&aswallow | posted on 06-15-2001 @ 2:50 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | I have a framed Marilyn nude (the one with her holding a sheer silk scarf in front of herself along with the original Playboy with her photo spread. A woman I would sell my soul to bang. She oozed sensuality. Thanks Claire, Don, GW, Skitch and others for the compliments. I hoped that this was one that people could put some thought into and enjoy reading. o&aswallow Recognized His Destiny Early. Too Many Hotties, Not Enough Horny Goat Weed Now accepting foster children applications. Cash only, no checks. Email at [email protected] Currently teaching TwatGunk how to walk. If he stumbles contact me with the gory details. God have mercy on his soul. It at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed. - Curly Howard. Pennsylvania resident, but original NYC listener | ||||
| GonzoStyle | posted on 06-15-2001 @ 9:48 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | i agree this was an awesome topic. i have another pick now that i think of it. Leonardo davinci, i mean come on the man was pretty much the most brilliant mind of the last millenium. Leonardo da Vinci was a man of immense genius and talent. He was a master of both of art and science. Leonardo was a painter, sculptor, architect, musician, engineer,inventor, and scientist. Da Vinci was born in 1452 near the town of Vinci. He was a great artist, even as a kid. In his teenage years Leonardo became an apprentice in one of the best studios in Italy. Leonardo stayed here until 1483, when he left for Milan. In Milan he was asked by Lodovico Sforza to build a statue in honor of Sforza's father. The first work that Leonardo finished in Milan was the Madonna of the Rocks. Leonardo was also a great engineer and inventor. There were many times where Leonardo was asked by the government to design state buildings or churches or to conceive of new weapons. Not only was he a great inventor, Leonardo da Vinci was one of the greatest scientists ever to have lived. There are a lot of scientific experiments that were recorded in his sketches. Leonardo, before his death, did many drawings of the human body. There are detailed drawings of skeletons, muscle structures,and organ-systems. The bodies he used in these drawings were often stolen from a nearby morgue. Leonardo da Vinci died in 1519 while under the care of the French king, Francis I. Da Vinci was one of the greatest people to ever have lived. He was a great man of the arts and the sciences. Leonardo da Vinci was a man of both worlds. The man thought of things and inventions that were centuries ahead of his time things that were impossible to fathom. The airplane, the gun, the parachute, the helicopter, the laser and on and on. Trully one of the most gifted and fascinating people i can think of. You're so fuckin' special I wish I was special I want a perfect body I want a perfect soul But I'm a creep, I'm a weirdo. What the hell am I doing here? I don't belong here. She-Mail Me Here | ||||
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